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chazman 10-18-2018 09:34 AM

Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 
There is nowhere in the Chicago area which non-ethanol gas is available for our cars. Sign the petition below.


http://www.fuel-testers.com/fuel_cho...taA-FqUFMELZ9o

Orr89RocZ 10-18-2018 12:24 PM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 
Theres nothing wrong with e10

chazman 10-18-2018 12:31 PM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 

Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ (Post 6257688)
Theres nothing wrong with e10

Versus pure gas? Explain.

Orr89RocZ 10-18-2018 12:35 PM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 
10% ethanol wont hurt anything and runs fine.

chazman 10-18-2018 01:04 PM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 
The bigger concern is long term usage and storage.

https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2009/08/12/Ethanol-Demonic-or-Devine


https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2012/11/14/tech-101-ethanol-in-gasoline-and-its-effects-on-collector-cars/

Orr89RocZ 10-18-2018 01:31 PM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 
I have never noticed any issues in my thirdgens and other vehicles.

scooter 10-18-2018 03:02 PM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 
I would agree on the running, but ethanol is very hard on the rubber parts in the fuel system during long term storage. It essentially destroyed my friend chainsaw from sitting in the tank. He won't make that mistake again.
It's really not good for the steel parts either

chazman 10-18-2018 03:56 PM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 
Anyways, I'd like to have the choice. I'd DEFINITELY go with pure gas for my old cars.

NoEmissions84TA 10-18-2018 09:20 PM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 
:iagree:
But this will be a losing battle. The bottom of that form says this:
"Sadly, EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) abandoned its true mission and became both the Environmental Politics Agency and the Ethanol Promotion Agency..."Quote of Charles T. Drevna, President of NPRA, the National Petrochemical & Refiners Association, 10/23/2010

vinny R 10-20-2018 06:53 AM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 

Originally Posted by chazman (Post 6257648)
There is nowhere in the Chicago area which non-ethanol gas is available for our cars. Sign the petition below.


http://www.fuel-testers.com/fuel_cho...taA-FqUFMELZ9o

I went to sign the petition for ya Chaz but I see you need to live in IL. I will call my friend in Evanston and see if I can use his name.

skinny z 10-20-2018 12:05 PM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 
We found that more horsepower was made with pure gasoline than with E10. This was during back to back engine dyno testing on Vortec style sealed circle track engines. The comparison was made between Shell's premium (92 octane and no ethanol) and Sunoco's Ultra 94 (which in these parts has 10% ethanol). Resistance to detonation wasn't an issue as these are relatively low compression pressure engines at about 9.5:1.
Horsepower was up an average of 5%.
Sadly now, all fuel sold in this country has to have a minimum 10% ethanol.
That said, for the average hotrodder, the impact is minimal and any well designed fuel system will have resistance to the effects of the additive.

Good luck with the petition.

QwkTrip 10-20-2018 01:18 PM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 
I have non-ethanol fuel in Peoria. How come you don't in Chicago? Maybe stop voting the liberals into positions of power and it won't be like that.

Saxondale 10-20-2018 07:16 PM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 
Please research before making political comment. It is only valid if true. Research ethanol.

QwkTrip 10-20-2018 09:55 PM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 
Chicago is requiring something different than the rest of the state. I don't think you were catching on to that.

anesthes 10-29-2018 01:41 PM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 
It turns to like a powder when it evaporates which causes problems on my seasonal toys (boats, jetskis, sleds).

-- Joe

QwkTrip 10-29-2018 04:47 PM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 
Wait a minute.... You mean to tell me that elected politicians establish policy?


Saxondale 10-29-2018 05:12 PM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 
The ethanol law and needs vs requirements are relatively complex. Apparently the chicken or the egg metaphor can apply to the product.

anesthes 10-29-2018 08:43 PM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 

Originally Posted by T.L. (Post 6259611)
Ethanol is horrible, and the ONLY reason for E10 is to subsidize the agricultural industry (corn).
It reduces fuel economy, and in cars that are stored seasonally, it absorbes moisture and creates a nasty varnish that clogs fuel systems. It's hell for carburetors. It does absolutely NOTHING to reduce pollution...

I don't think ethanol in gasoline has much do do with subsidizing the corn industry, but there is some evidence that it reduces hydrocarbons and that was enough for the EPA to push for it.

Burning alcohol can be good, but as noted it causes problems on some fuel systems and most carbs. Boats, pwc, snowmobiles, etc.

-- Joe

anesthes 11-08-2018 08:17 AM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 

Originally Posted by T.L. (Post 6260890)
It doesn't reduce any pollutants. It only reduces fuel economy...

Sure it does, a higher concentration of ethanol produces less ozone-forming compounds. Ethanol fuels produce less carbon and hydrocarbon emissions.

E85 for performance applications can have lots of added benefits.

But as previously stated, ethanol can wreck havoc on some fuel systems. I have to rebuild carbs on sleds/jetskis/boats a lot, stuff that has a lot of downtime throughout the year.

-- Joe


anesthes 11-08-2018 12:41 PM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 

Originally Posted by T.L. (Post 6261262)
It has nothing to do with ozone, and it actually increase certain pollutants...

Well, I suspect anti-ethanol websites can say whatever they want, but research has shown otherwise.

-- Joe

CKone 05-10-2019 09:02 AM

Re: Sign Petition To Get Pure Gas In Chicago Area
 
Signed Chazman. While I’m on the fence about it (use it and don’t mind for daily’s and such) I do believe it effects older models and equipment not suited for it and the consumer should have a choice as well as a voice in the matter. Come to think of it, if my brother still lived in IL and not IA he’d be the spokesperson for the matter. He’s a smart educated dude, and even his response for most issues is “it’s probably crappy fuel” ����


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