5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap Hey guys, just wanted to share. I'm going to throw 081 heads on my Firebird among some other stuff, and decided to dyno it before and after. So here are the results for a stock LO3 with few bolt-ons. These are the engine figures, there are ~50hp less on the wheels. http://s017.radikal.ru/i402/1507/ee/7263f2dc6c44.jpg http://s017.radikal.ru/i428/1507/b6/99d831c6cf10.jpg |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno 460 TQ? Am I reading this right lol? |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno
Originally Posted by maxpain
(Post 5942750)
So here are the results for a stock LO3 with few bolt-ons. Which bolt on made it AWD? |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno
Originally Posted by dbrochard
(Post 5942815)
460 TQ? Am I reading this right lol? But that is engine torque, there like 350 at the wheels. |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno
Originally Posted by dbrochard
(Post 5942816)
Which bolt on made it AWD? |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno Thats crazy torque vs hp. Was it a pain to do awd? Have you seen that awd mustang? I know guys, Its a mustang, but this thing is bad. |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno That's NM Torque, that' like 339.8 ft lbs torque. Which is still impressive! |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno Some photos of the stuff being put on. http://s020.radikal.ru/i705/1507/a7/a038a13b1873.jpg http://s018.radikal.ru/i523/1507/af/bfd807497d8f.jpg http://s020.radikal.ru/i703/1507/3e/78c1feab156e.jpg http://s017.radikal.ru/i441/1507/b4/f22064534653.jpg http://s018.radikal.ru/i520/1507/31/a71ff5fde93e.jpg http://s009.radikal.ru/i310/1507/af/3896966cdbb9.jpg |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno
Originally Posted by maxpain
(Post 5942823)
On average, yes, did 3 runs. But that is engine torque, there like 350 at the wheels. |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno
Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ
(Post 5944294)
Math doesnt compute. Roughly 115 hp at 1700 rpms only gives 355 trq |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap I dont think that 460 trq value is possible given the hp. If dyno measures torque and back calculates hp, then it should be making more hp at that rpm. If those were projected flywheel numbers from wheel hp measurements it must be using incorrect conversion factors. Just dont see that motor making diesel like torque off idle |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap
Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ
(Post 5944312)
I dont think that 460 trq value is possible given the hp. If dyno measures torque and back calculates hp, then it should be making more hp at that rpm. If those were projected flywheel numbers from wheel hp measurements it must be using incorrect conversion factors. Just dont see that motor making diesel like torque off idle Here are the wheel measurements. http://s017.radikal.ru/i440/1507/c9/03fa29da03bd.jpg |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap
Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ
(Post 5944312)
I dont think that 460 trq value is possible given the hp. If dyno measures torque and back calculates hp, then it should be making more hp at that rpm. If those were projected flywheel numbers from wheel hp measurements it must be using incorrect conversion factors. Just dont see that motor making diesel like torque off idle RBob. |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap Ahhh doh! I didnt realize this was in russia and in different units Carry on! Curious to see what the 081 heads do |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap I did the same thing orr89. yup, there is 746 watts per hp. or 1 hp =.746 kW |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno
Originally Posted by dbrochard
(Post 5942815)
460 TQ? Am I reading this right lol? If you follow the rest of the graph and plot it back to the beginning along the same curve, you end up with about 430-440 nM, not 460. |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap
Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ
(Post 5944357)
Ahhh doh! I didnt realize this was in russia and in different units Carry on! Curious to see what the 081 heads do |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap
Originally Posted by Fast355
(Post 5944465)
With a stock to mild cam and dual plane intake they will LOSE under 4500 rpm and gain very slightly from 4,500 to 5,000-5,500. Dewey 316 and I both did testing with that result. Dewey's test was ported 416s. Cam is going to be Duration (Int/Exh): 279/287 Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .447/.471 |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap Any other specs on that cam??? What was the seat to seat duration measure at? .004 or .006 or?? What is the 0.050" duration. What about the Intake centerline or LSA? |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap
Originally Posted by Fast355
(Post 5944495)
Any other specs on that cam??? What was the seat to seat duration measure at? .004 or .006 or?? What is the 0.050" duration. What about the Intake centerline or LSA? Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 213/219 LSA/ICL: 112/108 Don't know the seat to seat duration. |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap Keep up the good work, this is really cool! That bird really 4WD ??? if so you need to share some pics and input! |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap Where did you get the spoiler? I want one |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap
Originally Posted by thomas1976
(Post 5946913)
Keep up the good work, this is really cool! That bird really 4WD ??? if so you need to share some pics and input! I believe it would be impossible to make it 4wd on even close to stock chassis - just no room for a TC or a front axle. Or it would have to be a monster truck. |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap
Originally Posted by Stangski09
(Post 5946935)
Where did you get the spoiler? I want one Had to make one - no duck tails for firebirds unfortunately. |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap Engine's done. In the process of tuning right now. http://s019.radikal.ru/i604/1508/60/477d76e476c9.jpg http://s017.radikal.ru/i416/1508/dc/da468989344c.jpg http://s019.radikal.ru/i620/1508/67/9f71ae69f806.jpg |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap
Originally Posted by maxpain
(Post 5946980)
Had to make one - no duck tails for firebirds unfortunately. |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap I see the heads and intake manifolds ports have been cleaned up and gasket matched, how far did you go with the porting on the heads?, any work done to the bowls? Looking forward to seeing the dyno after the tune, I been working on a similar350 TBI build myself |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap
Originally Posted by 89-S-dime
(Post 5947147)
I see the heads and intake manifolds ports have been cleaned up and gasket matched, how far did you go with the porting on the heads?, any work done to the bowls? Yes, ports have been gasket matched and cleaned as far as the cutter reached. Also both valves are larger than stock, pretty much the largest you can fit in these heads. I actually have an LS3 exhaust valve laying around and it is smaller than the ones I got. Needless to say everything under the valves has also been cleaned and ported. You can also see how fat stock valves' necks are. You could get a little gain just by swapping those for thinner and polished ones. http://s017.radikal.ru/i408/1507/f8/56dc3a3dddb2.jpg http://s019.radikal.ru/i629/1507/14/08db3ecf20f8.jpg |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap looking good :thumbsup: |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap Did the heads just bolt on? Or did you head to do some adjustments to make them fit? And what are the other bolt ons you have on the stock LO3? I have bonestock LO3 TBI and i'm still figuring out what mods I'm going to do :P |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap
Originally Posted by Stroopwafel
(Post 5956750)
Did the heads just bolt on? Or did you head to do some adjustments to make them fit? And what are the other bolt ons you have on the stock LO3? I have bonestock LO3 TBI and i'm still figuring out what mods I'm going to do :P During the dyno i had headers, ultimate tbi mods, 170F thermostat and a tune. |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap
Originally Posted by maxpain
(Post 5956784)
Heads are identical on the outside, so they are a direct fit. During the dyno i had headers, ultimate tbi mods, 170F thermostat and a tune. But what I know from the stock LO3 TBI is that it makes around 170HP. Do those upgrades you have, only add the Torque? Or do I miss something? |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap
Originally Posted by Stroopwafel
(Post 5956967)
Sounds like my future plans. But what I know from the stock LO3 TBI is that it makes around 170HP. Do those upgrades you have, only add the Torque? Or do I miss something? |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap This thread left me wondering what was the final dyno results with these heads? |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno + 081 heads swap
Originally Posted by graysmoke
(Post 6010052)
This thread left me wondering what was the final dyno results with these heads? Ran into all kinds of problems with vacuum after the build - almost none. Had to take the engine apart several times to recheck the seals, ports, valve tightness, etc. Even tried to change the cam - no luck. Even Brian from TBI Chips had no more ideas. So I just took the whole thing out and sold it. Going with LS now. I'm thinking the problem was in the valves, too big maybe, should have left them stock and just ported the heads. |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno
Originally Posted by maxpain
(Post 5944225)
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Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno
Originally Posted by dbrochard
(Post 5942815)
460 TQ? Am I reading this right lol? Wild Guess: Torque converter multiplying torque below stall speed But I could be wrong, I don't see any mention of which transmission this car has. |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno
Originally Posted by chris004
(Post 6307576)
The new throttle body assembly that you put on. Is it remanufactured or an aftermarket assembly? How much did that throttle body assembly cost you? Those are stock Rochester TBI units that have been modified. The lip around the bores is shaved off, the bores are enlarged, new larger throttle plates, throttle shaft is thinned, small button head screws are used to hold them on. Often an adjustable fuel pressure regulator is added at this time as well. If you search GM TBI on eBay, you will find vendors who sell parts and completed units, and their prices. |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno
Originally Posted by chris004
(Post 6307576)
The new throttle body assembly that you put on. Is it remanufactured or an aftermarket assembly? How much did that throttle body assembly cost you? |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno
Originally Posted by chris004
(Post 6307576)
The new throttle body assembly that you put on. Is it remanufactured or an aftermarket assembly? How much did that throttle body assembly cost you? TB is by SPR performance 46mm TBI with 5235206 350 injectors at stock 12psi fuel pressure. If I remember correctly, around 300-400$ new. |
Re: 5.0 TBI LO3 dyno
Originally Posted by chris004
(Post 6307576)
The new throttle body assembly that you put on. Is it remanufactured or an aftermarket assembly? How much did that throttle body assembly cost you? |
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