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Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by dagwood
(Post 6423596)
Hey Joe, I didn't have any worries with the stud length when I installed my wheels with the spacers with stock brakes. You will absolutely LOVE the wheels!! Here's a couple pics of my cars together for a comparison. One with the 17's and one with the factory 16" wheels https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...fa5e09c65d.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...9872a6dbcf.jpg People keep saying how great they are in person too... That Red very looks amazing BTW... what a transformation! |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! The gray 88-90 wheels are back in stock on Hawks website for anyone looking for these. I know they seemed to be out for quite a while but look to be available now. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! For those that own these what are your thoughts on the paint on these? Because I have seen a few issues here and there with thin paint around the lugnut area and even some with thin paint on the inside of the spokes I am hesitant to buy these even though I'd really like to have a set. It's not making me feel any better that hawks has dodged my specific questions about the paint twice (while answering others) when I've reached out to them about it... |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by V8SC1987
(Post 6425344)
For those that own these what are your thoughts on the paint on these? Because I have seen a few issues here and there with thin paint around the lugnut area and even some with thin paint on the inside of the spokes I am hesitant to buy these even though I'd really like to have a set. It's not making me feel any better that hawks has dodged my specific questions about the paint twice (while answering others) when I've reached out to them about it... https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...7463d7e38.jpeg |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! It's been covered either in this thread or another, but you are correct in that some of us definitely have "light" areas of paint. While frustrating, as it really isn't hard to paint it properly, for $250 a wheel, they're a great deal, even with paint issues. Not defending it, just saying when guys are paying over a grand per wheel.....you know....I mean they're dirt cheap. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! I was hoping that the quality control issues were being addressed over time and maybe they are. I would personally rather them charge a little more and paint mine if $250 a wheel doesn't get you a good paint job. I do understand that the wheels are cheap compared to other aftermarket options, but those insanely expensive wheels are not even an option for me. It's really always been down to either the wheels from oe wheels llc (not aware of paint/powdercoat issues with those?) or these, and I really do like how these maintain the stock look with a subtle upgrade. I understand the value that Hawks brings to the market by supporting our cars with parts like this, and it is definitely much appreciated. I can live with the light paint in the lugnut area (although I'd rather not), but the spokes are a different story honestly. Glad those are looking good @Galaxie500XL ! Those are the same wheels I'm looking at for my car! |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by V8SC1987
(Post 6425358)
I was hoping that the quality control issues were being addressed over time and maybe they are. I would personally rather them charge a little more and paint mine if $250 a wheel doesn't get you a good paint job. I do understand that the wheels are cheap compared to other aftermarket options, but those insanely expensive wheels are not even an option for me. It's really always been down to either the wheels from oe wheels llc (not aware of paint/powdercoat issues with those?) or these, and I really do like how these maintain the stock look with a subtle upgrade. I understand the value that Hawks brings to the market by supporting our cars with parts like this, and it is definitely much appreciated. I can live with the light paint in the lugnut area (although I'd rather not), but the spokes are a different story honestly. Glad those are looking good @Galaxie500XL ! Those are the same wheels I'm looking at for my car! https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...560e98576.jpeg |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! These look wicked. Wonder what shipping for four of these gold beauties would be to Europe. Think i am going to send an email to hawks... |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by V8SC1987
(Post 6425358)
I was hoping that the quality control issues were being addressed over time and maybe they are. I would personally rather them charge a little more and paint mine if $250 a wheel doesn't get you a good paint job. I do understand that the wheels are cheap compared to other aftermarket options, but those insanely expensive wheels are not even an option for me. It's really always been down to either the wheels from oe wheels llc (not aware of paint/powdercoat issues with those?) or these, and I really do like how these maintain the stock look with a subtle upgrade. I understand the value that Hawks brings to the market by supporting our cars with parts like this, and it is definitely much appreciated. I can live with the light paint in the lugnut area (although I'd rather not), but the spokes are a different story honestly. Glad those are looking good @Galaxie500XL ! Those are the same wheels I'm looking at for my car! HI, Sorry for the delayed response , the main place where Ive seen paint complaints is in the gold as it is on a silver aluminum base , we are addressing this on the next run as well as we can but there can be other issues that arise when you try to compleyl cover a blind hole but we are listening and working on it , happy to send you some pics of your order before we ship if you like , feel free to email direct if needed bruce@hawksmotrosports.com |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by hawksthirdgen
(Post 6425376)
HI, Sorry for the delayed response , the main place where Ive seen paint complaints is in the gold as it is on a silver aluminum base , we are addressing this on the next run as well as we can but there can be other issues that arise when you try to compleyl cover a blind hole but we are listening and working on it , happy to send you some pics of your order before we ship if you like , feel free to email direct if needed bruce@hawksmotrosports.com That is exactly what everyone has been wanting to hear. Me included. I bought a set of grey wheels already and am super happy with them! But I have been wanting a gold set for my blue car but have been hesitant to buy the gold ones with the paint issues that they've had. What you're saying is great news...these wheels are way too awesome to not want! New products usually have a few bugs to work out, so thank you for listening and addressing the issue! :thumbsup: |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! Bump. I believe somewhere in this thread I mentioned throwing C6 brakes behind these wheels. Just an update. They fit and the braking is night and day compared to the stock brakes. Worth every penny. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...9d1072654d.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...81e7bf45fc.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...cb51de9736.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...a8019b7b9b.jpg |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! Do these wheels come with the 3rd gen back spacing or the 4th gen back spacing? Thanks in advanced! These wheels look great. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by 01NHRAformy
(Post 6438555)
Do these wheels come with the 3rd gen back spacing or the 4th gen back spacing? Thanks in advanced! These wheels look great. But the 4th gen has a wider rear axle, so these are going to sit a good bit outside the wheelhouse on a 4th gen in the rear. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by Galaxie500XL
(Post 6438556)
Well…technically, the backspacing is a bit different than the original wheels for the thirdgen, to accommodate a 9” wheel… But the 4th gen has a wider rear axle, so these are going to sit a good bit outside the wheelhouse on a 4th gen in the rear. Thanks Galaxie500XL for the response! |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by 01NHRAformy
(Post 6438557)
Thanks Galaxie500XL for the response! Sorry… |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! Stock IROCs are 0mm up front, +16 out back. These are 0mm on all four corners, and are considered to be stock fitment, even though yeah technically...0mm, instead of +16mm. LOTS and LOTS of aftermarket companies make thirdgen fitment wheels this way, PLUS....it allows you to rotate tires. Lots of guys will run four front wheels, so their wheels are all 0mm. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! I just put a set of the 17x9’s on my car with the Nittos and they fit great. They came with 1/4 in spacers for the front. i had to change the wheel studs to 54mm studs so I had enough thread to properly tighten the wheels. I used the stock steel spacers on the rear. I have Koni yellows on the car and the left front wheel scraped the inside of the wheel...not much but it did rub. I had to grind a small amount of the Koni down not to rub anymore. The right front and rears were ok. The wheels look great and the paint looks even unlike the earlier examples posted here. They look great and you can barley tell the difference in before and after pics. On their own they look like the stock wheels. I got grey and it is a little lighter color than the stock wheels. Now I can rotate and have more tire choices. I also preserve the stock wheels. Handing is better and the ride is also great. Original wheels had 15 year old Goodyear’s that were like bricks. These actually ride better no doubt. Hawks did a great job on this wheel and tire package. Totally satisfied. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...7de84b845.jpeg I was working on mine today, and did find a tiny spot at the left rear that was apparently rubbing slightly. A couple of taps with a ball peen hammer moved this back about 1/4” without much effort. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! Ok I’ll check the rears again. Appreciate the heads up. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! I sure wish they offered these for those of us with 4th gen rear axles. I'd buy a set in a heartbeat. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! I sure wish they offered these for those of us with 4th gen rear axles. I'd buy a set in a heartbeat. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! That's...a fair assessment actually... |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by rearview
(Post 6450043)
I sure wish they offered these for those of us with 4th gen rear axles. I'd buy a set in a heartbeat. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by plum92_camaro
(Post 6450113)
Why? Just put a thirdgen axle back in. They're cheap! Also easy to put 4thgen discs on a thirdgen housing. There is a thread on here that covers it. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by KMK454
(Post 6232755)
Yes - in the picture of my car above, I'm running 275/40/17 BFGs on all four corners. Car is lowered 1" on hotchkis springs and has no clearance issues. The GTAs came with a small space for non-1LE cars; not sure what the offsets will be for the IROCs. I am going to be lowering the car 1" in front and 1.5" in the rear by means of a koni suspension kit from Hawks. I intend on running a set of the 17x9 iroc replica wheels with 275s from Hawks as well. But, I'm having. A hard time finding a pic of my setup choice to see what the end result looks like. Could you please post a pic of your car again? I can't seem to find it Thanks in advance! |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! I just bought a nice 1989 IROC that has these 17x9.5" Hawks wheels installed. I was giving the car a once over like I do all used cars I purchase and noticed the front lugs with the mandatory spacer installed (with factory brakes) only contact the lug threads about halfway. I am surprised this has never been mentioned except on one post where someone installed 54mm studs to remedy this. It is clear without longer studs the factory front setup on my car is totally unsafe. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! I picked up some 54mm studs for the front wheels. The grip length is perfect with the spacers in place. I will probably replace the rear studs too as stock length is marginal but probably safe? For how many of you are using these wheels on your cars I'm very surprised this problem is not mentioned here and even more surprised Hawks does not recommend changing the studs when using these wheels especially with spacers in the front? I also recommend cutting the tab off the struts as it is very close to the rim. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...91ac4839e8.jpg Here is the grip length on the front. I'm sure I would pull threads if I tried to torque to 100ftlbs! https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...e65f164632.jpg Here is the rear grip length. Probably safe but still marginal. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...4670ade4bc.jpg With 54mm studs its perfect. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...544829cbc1.jpg This tab on my Koni struts is very close to the 17" rims. It was actually nipping at one wheel weight. I think stock struts are the same? https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...1dcd8450fe.jpg Problem solved. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! I appreciate you mentioning this. Wanted to acknowledge it since no one else has. No skin in the game right now, but it's good to be on record for people reading about it. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! I've never felt safe going high speeds in my car after seeing how little meat the lugnuts had to grab onto. Does anyone have a link to a set that would work? I'd like to use ARP but it sounds like the holes in the hub will need to be drilled out or risk cracking particularly if they have been machined down for BBU. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by 350Iroc89
(Post 6499129)
I've never felt safe going high speeds in my car after seeing how little meat the lugnuts had to grab onto. Does anyone have a link to a set that would work? I'd like to use ARP but it sounds like the holes in the hub will need to be drilled out or risk cracking particularly if they have been machined down for BBU. This is what I used: Make sure you press/pull them in completely. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by stoutblock
(Post 6499180)
You should be very concerned even at low speeds. This is what I used: Make sure you press/pull them in completely. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B088VWLSZN...roduct_details https://arp-bolts.com/kits/arpkit-de...hp?RecordID=68 What I find interesting is that studs in the Amazon link are listed as 54mm under head length. The ARP's are 63.5mm. IIRC, an extra deep bugle acorn nut was needed. The extra length in this case was racing class mandated with an open lug nut required and the stud visibly protruding past the nut. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by skinny z
(Post 6499299)
After the LS front brake conversion, I went with AFR 7708. https://arp-bolts.com/kits/arpkit-de...hp?RecordID=68 What I find interesting is that studs in the Amazon link are listed as 54mm under head length. The ARP's are 63.5mm. IIRC, an extra deep bugle acorn nut was needed. The extra length in this case was racing class mandated with an open lug nut required and the stud visibly protruding past the nut. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by DynoDave43
(Post 6499356)
Just the fronts, or all around? |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by stoutblock
(Post 6499180)
You should be very concerned even at low speeds. This is what I used: Make sure you press/pull them in completely. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B088VWLSZN...roduct_details https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...f52d575f83.jpg |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! Just a reminder, us Formula guys are wondering where the hell our 17x9 reproduction wheels are :lol: |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! I am so glad the lugnut issue was brought up because that is the exact reason why I logged in today. I finally received my 85-87 17x9 IROC replicas after waiting for about 6months for the right center caps. When I took my wheels to the local tire shop they refused to use the provided lugnuts for the front wheels (with spacer) because they said they only got 3 turns out of them. I refused to believe that so I just went into my garage and tried it and I got 7 turns; do you guys think that's enough? I see that some of you changed out the studs for longer ones, that's exactly what I was going to do. I was recommended the ARP 100-7725 or the 100-7708, looks like the difference is just the tip? I see the amazon ones seem to fit pretty good as well. I guess what my question is, for those of you that used longer studs, were you able to still put on the black lug nut cover/cap provided in the Hawks kit? Appreciate any additional insight I could get on this, although looks like you guys kind of address the safety concern I share! Meanwhile, I'll add those amazon ones to my cart, their about $25 cheaper than the ARPs. Also one more question, what did you guys torque the lugnuts to? Thanks! |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! The black covers still fit with the studs from Amazon. They don't protrude past the end of the nut. I read that some people had issues cracking the hub with the ARP studs so I went with the Amazon ones. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by jbates346
(Post 6504979)
I am so glad the lugnut issue was brought up because that is the exact reason why I logged in today. I finally received my 85-87 17x9 IROC replicas after waiting for about 6months for the right center caps. When I took my wheels to the local tire shop they refused to use the provided lugnuts for the front wheels (with spacer) because they said they only got 3 turns out of them. I refused to believe that so I just went into my garage and tried it and I got 7 turns; do you guys think that's enough? I see that some of you changed out the studs for longer ones, that's exactly what I was going to do. I was recommended the ARP 100-7725 or the 100-7708, looks like the difference is just the tip? I see the amazon ones seem to fit pretty good as well. I guess what my question is, for those of you that used longer studs, were you able to still put on the black lug nut cover/cap provided in the Hawks kit? Appreciate any additional insight I could get on this, although looks like you guys kind of address the safety concern I share! Meanwhile, I'll add those amazon ones to my cart, their about $25 cheaper than the ARPs. Also one more question, what did you guys torque the lugnuts to? Thanks! Not sure of the origins of the Amazon studs but I'd research them before relying on them. Who is Muzzy? ARP is a proven manufacturer. You can't go wrong there. With the longer ARP studs used in the link above, it was necessary to use an extra deep bugle acorn nut to keep from bottoming out. The manual states 80 ft/lbs for wheel nut torque. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! Hi, new here. I recently got an early inheritance of my grandpa's old 86 camaro and have been looking up appropriate wheel set ups. Car has been sitting for 20 years, and the old tires are nearly $400 a piece so I've decided to get new wheels with more available tires. Regarding these hawks iroc replicas, would you recommended new studs all the way around? Or just in the front with the adapter? A side note: the camaro is all black everything, so do you think these replica irocs with the grey would look alright, or would the replicas with black be better suited? I'm torn because the 17x9 is ideal, but I think I like the black which only come in 17x8. Anyways thanks for your time in advance. I'm glad theres a thriving community of third gen enthusiasts. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!! If you're not racing the car, the 8" wheel (245mm tire) is plenty, and you'll never miss the bigger tire. ...that being said, black was never offered from the factory. Every black IROC had the "silver" (or gold) wheel accents. Might not be what YOU want, but no doubt it's gonna look good if you go silver. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by Abubaca
(Post 6505754)
If you're not racing the car, the 8" wheel (245mm tire) is plenty, and you'll never miss the bigger tire. ...that being said, black was never offered from the factory. Every black IROC had the "silver" (or gold) wheel accents. Might not be what YOU want, but no doubt it's gonna look good if you go silver. |
Re: 17x9 IROC wheels coming from Hawks!!!
Originally Posted by John Shield
(Post 6505759)
Thanks for the response. I know they look amazing on irocs which have the silver trim and iroc lettering to help tie everything in. Just checking to see what people thought on an all black model. FWIW: BFG still offers a 245/50-16 tire for under $200. https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes You could always go with an OEM 16" rim and paint it to your preference. There'd be some considerable savings going that route. |
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