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Im aware of what the values are on later third gens 85-92 mainly. Im not however on the early cars or where the market is with them. I have a cousin that lives close to where this car is for sale and he is interested into getting into a third gen but I wanted to get everyones opinions first if it's even worth his time to go see it or if the seller is out of line on his price. He already called the owner and he was pretty firm at 9k. Overall it seems to be in pretty decent shape with 58k miles.
Seems to be a very nice car but.. It's not an HO 5spd and that would be the only way it would fetch 9k. I'd say this is a 6k car at best. The CFI system is finecky at best. Cease fire injection we used to call them I've pulled them from 4 Third gens and vettes and carbs were an actual huge improvement.
thats not a bad price but has he ever drove a 175 hp crossfire camaro before .. you can get a nice tpi car for that price and the power difference is night and day ..
He has researched about the bad rep CFI systems get. I havent personally driven or owned a CFI car but i have read up about have trouble some they can be. He knows more about the later cars like me, he has driven my tpi 350 T/A and loves it. I have found plenty of nice firebirds in his area in his budget range but he wants a camaro. Preferably a z28 or iroc but everything he has come across in his area is a Frankenstein built put together from parts cars into 1 with bad paint or terrible restorations and over priced. Then nice originals fetching over 20k which isn't in his budget. He found this car and liked the overall condition but didn't know if the seller was over value on it. And i told him i honestly don't know because i havent kept up with 82-84 cars as far as what they go for. But i had a feeling this car is probably not worth what the seller wants but i still needed opinions from people that are more knowledgeable on the early third gens than me. At least with it not being an L69 car i can't see any value at 9k in this car.
I agree. i'll give him a call and tell him to keep searching. But i will admit it is a decent looking 83, to bad it's not an L69.
im from ohio and have bought cars from the south and the price for shipping wasnt that bad to have it hauled up to me .. i search third gens everyday and the south seems very thin on nice third gens for sale and most are pretty beat .. most of the nice ones i find are from up north .. he might want to look into having one shipped down there ..
im from ohio and have bought cars from the south and the price for shipping wasnt that bad to have it hauled up to me .. i search third gens everyday and the south seems very thin on nice third gens for sale and most are pretty beat .. most of the nice ones i find are from up north .. he might want to look into having one shipped down there ..
Agreed they are nicer up there. He has looked at a few that looked good and sounded right on price but found hidden demons with in a few such as wiring nightmares or typical rust spots etc.
I agree with pretty much everything noted above, but to be fair, I'll come in with an opposing view anyway just to stir the discussion.
First, the price is too high, everyone agrees. I'm here to make a case for the car, not the price. It should be a $6k car, not a $9k car.
CFI can be quirky, but it's not impossible at all, and the hood flaps are a riot to play with. To the OP, is your cousin wanting to wrench a little bit? Does he want to personalize the car at all? There are some small things you can do to make a bit more power, then you can dig a bit deeper and get more. Phase 1 with these CFI cars should be L98/L69 manifolds or shorty headers and a dual cat y-pipe with a good cat-back exhaust. Phase 2 for me would be swapping a T5 trans in but that's probably beyond a normal person's scope LOL. In that case I'd swap to a 3.23 or 3.42 rear axle ratio (assuming it has a 2.93 currently). At this point with a good exhaust and gearing, the car should be mid 15sec 1/4 mile capable. Phase 3 would be a 350 with the renegade intake and an aftermarket ECM/ software package like the EBL for tuning.
Chazman had an '83 Z28 with a CFI setup. He got it running really crisp, put a complete exhaust on it, then I did a V6 T5 trans with a deep 1st gear and we kept his 2.93 rear axle ratio. The car went from laughably slow, to spin the tires fun with those changes. It made all the right noises, did all the right things, and it would actually get out of it's own way. It was a super fun car.
Moral of the story is, don't write off a CFI car at a good price if you're willing to play with it a little bit. They are unique and can be a lot of fun with some tweaks.
Yeah, CFI can run well, looks cool and as mentioned, the air flaps are entertaining. With the stock intake, just consider it RPM limited to around 4500. Good torque, though.
He isnt a certified mechanic or anything but he does wrench on his own cars and is pretty knowledgeable. We talked about it this morning and its not really the CFI system that's scaring him off... He was actually optimistic about it.... But he and the seller are just not in the same neighborhood as far as price goes. After i sent him the link to this thread last night he took everyone's advise and got a good idea what the value of car was. He originally offer $7500 cash for it and but the seller turned it down and now after reading the thread his is actually glad the seller turned him down. Even at that time i thought he was a little high to offer that.
Yes i remember that LU5 t5 swap thread. That was another clean 83 chazman had, interesting read too.
Yes i remember that LU5 t5 swap thread. That was another clean 83 chazman had, interesting read too.
Thanks.
I remember Jeremy calling me and telling me his friend was parting a 1989, G92, 5 speed, IROC. I said $h!t, I'll take everything for my Crossfire! I'll take the 2.25" exhaust manifolds, the N10 dual cats, the MK6 T5, the 3.45 9 bolt and PBR brake. I was so excited for like a day. I was thinking this is going to the baddest Crossfire with factory parts EVAR!!
A day later, Jeremy called me and said everything but the oil cooler had been long replaced on that car. Bummer.
I later found a really nice T5 from an '84 Iron Duke Firebird, locally. IIRC, it had a 3.76 1st gear. Super short. You'd hit 4500 RPM by the time you crossed an intersection.
I often wonder how that car is doing with it's new owners in Germany?
I remember Jeremy calling me and telling me his friend was parting a 1989, G92, 5 speed, IROC. I said $h!t, I'll take everything for my Crossfire! I'll take the 2.25" exhaust manifolds, the N10 dual cats, the MK6 T5, the 3.45 9 bolt and PBR brake. I was so excited for like a day. I was thinking this is going to the baddest Crossfire with factory parts EVAR!!
A day later, Jeremy called me and said everything but the oil cooler had been long replaced on that car. Bummer.
I later found a really nice T5 from an '84 Iron Duke Firebird, locally. IIRC, it had a 3.76 1st gear. Super short. You'd hit 4500 RPM by the time you crossed an intersection.
I often wonder how that car is doing with it's new owners in Germany?
Wow that car is a long ways from the states. Im sure he gets looks everytime he takes it out 😁.
I would of liked to see how it stacked up against an LB9 5 speed or even an L69 5 speed car after you did the swap for giggles and fun.
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