chazman

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ray jr

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very nice .. how many of those were produced in 1990 ?

Drew

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How many of those produced in 1990 went into the collections of collector car prospectors because of magazine articles?

Seems like there's a never ending stream of preserved 1LEs available for the Hawaiian shirt crowd to fight over.

ray jr

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i just seen it said there were only 34 produced in 1990 .. wow

burnout88

Drew

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1LE is the buzzword that all the speculators have been told to focus since 1989. It's a false narrative, but it's set in stone at this point.

TTOP350

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Wasn't that the one with some paint work ?

CPC Norwood

mrestrictrplate

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It pulled in the cash that's for sure. I wonder if there is a Players series car at Barrett Jackson?

BizJetTech

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So what do you guys think the Black 1991 1LE with 88 miles will bring ???
It's lot # 1544.1 and due on the block around 1 PM on Sunday....

burnout88

GASPEDDLER

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Drew

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Great. Now I can change the channel on TGO to avoid watching that spectacle.

GN1295

How's it a false narrative?

Drew

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The myth is that 1LE includes all these performance parts. The truth is that everything except the front brakes and shocks/struts, is typical for later G92 cars. The things that typically get associated as being 1LE, are near universally G92. A simplification is a 1LE is just a G92 car with better front brakes.

GN1295

I've never heard anyone attempt to claim that there's additional performance parts above what you got in a G92 car. Mainly some weight reduction and better brakes which created a little better performance. There was very liitle info on the 1LE in '89-90 which is the reason for the low numbers. Word was out a little more in '91-92 and numbers increased. It took a few years for anyone to even cover or talk about the 1LE cars.

okfoz

1LE Vs standard
1988 - Front & Rear Brakes, & Gas Tank
1989 - Front Brakes & Gas Tank
1990 - Front Brakes
1991-1992 - Front Brakes, Front Lower Control Arms, Rear Lower Control Arms, and Rear Shocks

Note: 1LE =/= G92 with Brakes
John

Mark_ZZ3

I would like to see that. Curious if it would bring more or less. There is a nice one on ebay ... been there for a while ... that fellow should have taken it there.

Mark_ZZ3

To add to your list, Front Struts and rear shocks were different than stock or G92. This was for all years. Being so few in 88 ... hard to document. Plus any that were actually driven, have miles and parts replaced.

Seeing the 1LE's command money is great. It brings people interested into the thirdgen cars. People will buy G92 cars because they are "like a 1LE". People will restore the cars. Companies will reproduce tires for our cars. It's all a good thing ... never understood the "1LE haters".

Mark.

TransamGTA350

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I agree. I have never gotten excited over the 1LE cars myself (I like A/C, radio and power options), but I do acknowledge that they are rare and special as thirdgens go. If the 1LE cars are getting the attention of the collectors and they are willing to pay big money for them, that benefits all of us. It pulls the value of the rest of the thirdgens up and then that feeds the reproduction and restoration market.

okfoz

Amen... As they get more attention, it will just increase the values of all of our cars...

ROCFATHER

dmccain

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I'm not happy about it. I think if prices get too high people will start looking at other higher performance platforms. It's crazy to me you can buy same era Corvettes with lower mileage, adult driven and not ragged out for less $ than thirdgens these days. Thirdgens have always been a great looking, affordable, entry level sports car and that is why they have been so popular with the masses so long

Drew

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Did we really Need another thread about this? Your list here is wrong. It's just more confusion on the subject and exactly why I simplify the definition to "just brakes". It's easy for people to understand, and it's the "BIG" difference.

Mark_ZZ3

1LE was an order code for a package of components, some of which was only available under the RPO 1LE. This is the same as a Z28, or RT, or RS, or what have you. Sure you could get some of the stuff through other packages, but collectors want the cars that came with the order package, not the one that is "like" a 1LE. Watching the streams of cars on Barret Jackson showcases that ... complete numbers matching full load car ... big dollars ... almost identical car with same options but not the "package" goes for half the price.

What is or was 1LE is somewhat irrelevant now. An original car will command more money than a non original.

I say ... bid them up! More people will buy parts. More people will restore them. More people will restomod them. Guys who wanted them as a kid, now have money to buy them back

Cheers!
Mark.

BizJetTech

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will be interesting to see what the black 1LE with 88 miles will bring on Sunday......

vinny R

Do you know the lot # and or an approximate time it may roll across the block?

BizJetTech

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here you go...

BizJetTech

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Selling price was $34,650

zya5point0

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i didn't see that one, but how did it sell for only 34 when the blue one went for 42?

ray jr

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the blue one is a 5 speed is my guess

Eric-86sc

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BizJetTech

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I think the black one may have not been as nice.....the seller offered it to a friend of mine several months back for $24,500,
I guess he should have bought it

vinny R

Sounds like he should have! I think the blue one looked to be the nicest of the 3 but it went @ a bad time, Sunday. The red one went early on in the auction when excitement is high and the Hawaiian shirt guys have not spent all their money yet..

okfoz

what exactly is Wrong with my list? I got the data directly from the GM Parts catalog, these are the items that GM literally states have a different part number. Granted there are other items like the Master cyl, prop valve, and the steering knuckle, but that comes with the territory of different brakes. Yes for all intents and purposes, 1LE is just brakes. BUT except for 1990, there was more to it than "just brakes."

One more thing that sets the 1LE apart... Collectors want them more than just a G92 car.

BizJetTech

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IMO, it's all 1LE HYPE.....I like 1LE's, as I like ALL 3rd gens, but would not pay the additional $$$ to own a nice low mile original 1LE when I can buy a nice 3rd gen
and put better brakes on it (even better then 1LE brakes) and have A/C to boot.....not knocking the 1LE's at all but they are not for me......unless I find a steal of a deal
on an ultra low mile mint original.....which we all know is NOT going to happen....LOL

PurelyPMD

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Not sure if you are including the larger spindles and bearing as part of the "brakes" or if it was an oversight John.

History has proven time & again that cars engineered, built and released by manufacturers with the intention of getting them on tracks for racing have been the top performers of their generation in value. To say otherwise or to diminish that in any way is not only factually incorrect but disingenuous.

PurelyPMD

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You can have either of mine for high teens - white one has track time at both Watkin's Glen and Lime Rock, the red one was daily driven for a large part of it's life & had an otherwise mundane existence but is as rare as stink. The blue one is gone, Bill Warner of Amelia Island now has it in his collection. I could be wrong but Bill would seem to be a pretty astute collector, wouldn't you agree?

Step in while you still can!

PurelyPMD

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Blue one got to Lime Rock too, Daytona, Road Atlanta, Sebring, Homestead Miami & others.

Drew

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Well, since you created another thread to continue this topic instead of just leaving it in here, you might have to read through both threads. If you can't figure out what you got wrong from what I've posted in these two threads, then I'm not going to waste my time spelling it out for you again.

You're taking my comments out of context. I never explicitly stated 1LE is "just brakes", go back and read the question I was asked, and the response I gave in it's entirety. If you still don't get what I was saying, read it a few more times until it makes sense.

Collectors want them largely because they don't know what they are. They're buying into the L1E myth. That was the entire point of my comment, but some of you get so hung up in the trivial that you blow it out of proportion and turn it into a two thread headache.

I'm sick of talking about it. I'm sick of debating it. I'm sick of putting the time and effort into spoon-feeding evidence that supports my statements to an audience that is unwilling to listen.

okfoz

Apparently the Front Struts were also 1LE specific on the Firebird too

okfoz

I didn't include the knuckle/Spindle because without it, you couldn't install the rotor/brakes...

PurelyPMD

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Drew, your animosity regarding 1LE's and there perception is well documented and duly noted.

Drew

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That's fair. I can understand how it would seem that I don't like 1LEs, but really all I said was that 1LE is a buzzword for collectors, and a false narrative. I was specifically asked what I meant, and when I explained my comment someone had to drag the thread off on a tangent, and create yet another topic in search of the elusive "1LE Truth".

It's exhausting that I can't voice my opinion on the 1LE topic without it becoming a debate. I'm not even trying to change the perception, like I said, it's set in stone, so whatever.

My animosity is not directed towards the cars or the owners, it's toward the long held misconceptions and the tall tales, the lack of fact checking, common sense, and reason. I appreciate you, and your cars, and I've done my best to convey that I don't mean for my comments to suggest otherwise.

two85z28s

The 1LE option is exactly what collectors are looking for. It shouldn't surprise that prices are so high.
It's the "rare performance option", regardless of whether some of the pieces were available without it, or became standard later.
Add that you had to order a specific engine or engine/trans, with the performance rear axle, and without AC, it's thought to be a special "back door" package for those "in the know". Plus, it was intended for showroom stock racing. Collectors eat this up.
But it's not just thirdgens - a 1969 Z/28 that is documented to have been ordered with the JL8 option is worth crazy money, way more than one without it.
This was an extremely low production performance option, and it really was "just brakes"!

PurelyPMD

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I appreciate that Drew and don't take it personally, however I think it's somewhat disingenuous. You can & have voiced your opinion on the 1LE topic EVERY time it comes up. You do your best to diminish it's value to every existing and new member that comes along with questions. You ARE trying to change the perception due to your own personal bias. You discount the fact that the parts once used on other cars were no longer 1LE parts when you know for a fact that there is a long history of race inspired & race improved parts being mainstreamed into production. You call the drive shaft and the rear PBR's production parts when they are still in-fact 1LE parts that were shared for various reasons with the balance of production. You also can't stand there and say now 30 years later that since the bushings, shocks or struts have degraded due to time that there is no difference - time cannot be injected on one side of the argument to negate a difference.

It boils to a simple fact you cannot dispute. GM made a decision to get back into racing after a significant amount of time in absence...these are the cars that engineering produced. Because of that, and despite your perceived lack of difference, that one RPO code will set them apart from the pack and carry a value. That value is now being recognized.

Drew

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That value has been recognized and popularized since at least 1990. 1LE lore has been the hot topic ever since I got interested in thirdgens. The more I've looked into it, the less impressed by it, I've become. When I've shared my opinion, and the documentation supporting it, I get trolled or dragged into a huge debate. So screw it. If anything I'll just throw in my 2 cents and keep on driving. I'm sorry, but I really don't care anymore.

detltu

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I was actually thinking about this during the discussion as well. The JL8 brakes aren't much of a performance boost over the Z/28 and you could easily add better aftermarket brakes and have the same or better performance. The value is because if you are buying a car (particularly if you don't plan on modifying it) you want to buy the best version of it. At least I feel that way. It may not be a deal breaker (and really shouldn't) but given the choice between a Z28 and a Z28 with upgraded brakes most will choose the upgraded brakes and some will specifically seek them out. The more rare it is the more of a price it will command (and of course the more desired the main car is).