How do I get some traction?
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How do I get some traction?
I cant get traction for jack on my bone stock tired 125k 5L TBI 92 RS which is wearing 235/55/16's on stock rims as thats the closest I could find to a stock sized tire. Even on dry pavement I can melt the tires off the rims effortlessly without really getting into the gas much. Do I have to tub this thing or are there other options out there I am just ignorant about, cuase there aint much use in fixing this car up and adding power to it if I cant get it to hook up on the pavement from a dead stop?
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Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
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Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
Re: How do I get some traction?
A good tire will be the best answer
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Re: How do I get some traction?
Are you spinning tires or tire? That is does your car have working Posi traction? A stock 125k 5L TBI 92 is going to be giving you less than 200hp and unless you are flooring it even the cheapest tires shouldn't just spin (of course you can make them spin). Could be torque converter/trans isn't catching until you are high RPM's?
If your car is lowered (or have dead tired springs) the Lower control arm geometry is going to be wrong and LCA relocation brackets can help.
Also after I did my LS swap I test drove the car without sway bars installed, I couldn't start off with the manual without spinning the tires, once I put the rear sway bar back in I have to intend to spin it now (I don't have to try hard but I have to intend to do it)... and that is on 10 year old cheap 16 inch tires.
So my suggestions are:
Make sure your transmission/torq converter is locking up at a low enough RPM
Bigger rear sway bar with poly bushings and new end links:
LCA relocation brackets:
A proper posi differential set up:
Good tires is always a plus.
If your car is lowered (or have dead tired springs) the Lower control arm geometry is going to be wrong and LCA relocation brackets can help.
Also after I did my LS swap I test drove the car without sway bars installed, I couldn't start off with the manual without spinning the tires, once I put the rear sway bar back in I have to intend to spin it now (I don't have to try hard but I have to intend to do it)... and that is on 10 year old cheap 16 inch tires.
So my suggestions are:
Make sure your transmission/torq converter is locking up at a low enough RPM
Bigger rear sway bar with poly bushings and new end links:
LCA relocation brackets:
A proper posi differential set up:
Good tires is always a plus.
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Car: 1988 Trans Am
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Re: How do I get some traction?
Yeah, 170 horse when new, so like 140-150 to the wheel. And at 125k, maybe a few less than that. Traction should not be an issue.
How old are those tires?
Tire Rack - Determining the age of a tire
How old are those tires?
Tire Rack - Determining the age of a tire
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Re: How do I get some traction?
Are you spinning tires or tire? That is does your car have working Posi traction? A stock 125k 5L TBI 92 is going to be giving you less than 200hp and unless you are flooring it even the cheapest tires shouldn't just spin (of course you can make them spin). Could be torque converter/trans isn't catching until you are high RPM's?
If your car is lowered (or have dead tired springs) the Lower control arm geometry is going to be wrong and LCA relocation brackets can help.
Also after I did my LS swap I test drove the car without sway bars installed, I couldn't start off with the manual without spinning the tires, once I put the rear sway bar back in I have to intend to spin it now (I don't have to try hard but I have to intend to do it)... and that is on 10 year old cheap 16 inch tires.
So my suggestions are:
Make sure your transmission/torq converter is locking up at a low enough RPM
Bigger rear sway bar with poly bushings and new end links:
LCA relocation brackets:
A proper posi differential set up:
Good tires is always a plus.
If your car is lowered (or have dead tired springs) the Lower control arm geometry is going to be wrong and LCA relocation brackets can help.
Also after I did my LS swap I test drove the car without sway bars installed, I couldn't start off with the manual without spinning the tires, once I put the rear sway bar back in I have to intend to spin it now (I don't have to try hard but I have to intend to do it)... and that is on 10 year old cheap 16 inch tires.
So my suggestions are:
Make sure your transmission/torq converter is locking up at a low enough RPM
Bigger rear sway bar with poly bushings and new end links:
LCA relocation brackets:
A proper posi differential set up:
Good tires is always a plus.
Thanks for the feed back all!!!
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Car: 89 Firebird
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Re: How do I get some traction?
If you put a posi in there it will probably eliminate it. I had bad tirespin once on a worn set of tires also and a set of Toyo Proxes really helped that but it wasn't a TBI car it was more like a 300+HP cammed Vortec build. My current TBI car will spin tires but only if I really thrash on it and it has steeper gears and a higher stall TC in it.
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Car: 1988 Trans Am
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Re: How do I get some traction?
The Traction T/A is a sporty all season tire. Nothing wrong with it, but it is not especially sticky, nor near the top of the BFG line. Some some stickier rubber might help.
With an L03 with 50-some thousand miles, automatic, 2.73 rear gears and Michelin Pilot Sports, I can barely get a chirp.
With an L03 with 50-some thousand miles, automatic, 2.73 rear gears and Michelin Pilot Sports, I can barely get a chirp.
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Re: How do I get some traction?
It's because you have an open differential. I've got the same problem. My tired old 350 will spin the tires all the way through first gear even with BFG Sport Comp II's. Next upgrade has to be a posi rear end.
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Re: How do I get some traction?
@ Dyno Dave43
What would you suggest?
@ turd_gen
Yeah getting a better rear end under the car is definitely high on my list of things to do. I know that mod alone made a huge difference on my 1978 Camaro I was racing in Japan for years. Besides I am all about increasing performance more than I am about making the car look fast.
The Traction T/A is a sporty all season tire. Nothing wrong with it, but it is not especially sticky, nor near the top of the BFG line. Some some stickier rubber might help.
@ turd_gen
Yeah getting a better rear end under the car is definitely high on my list of things to do. I know that mod alone made a huge difference on my 1978 Camaro I was racing in Japan for years. Besides I am all about increasing performance more than I am about making the car look fast.
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Re: How do I get some traction?
I don't know how often you mind replacing tires but any 200 tread wear tire ought to do the job.
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Re: How do I get some traction?
I cant get traction for jack on my bone stock tired 125k 5L TBI 92 RS which is wearing 235/55/16's on stock rims as thats the closest I could find to a stock sized tire. Even on dry pavement I can melt the tires off the rims effortlessly without really getting into the gas much. Do I have to tub this thing or are there other options out there I am just ignorant about, cuase there aint much use in fixing this car up and adding power to it if I cant get it to hook up on the pavement from a dead stop?
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