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02-26-2019, 02:17 PM
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First steps
Ok have my autoprom, tunerpro rt, g1 adapter. I assume I need a stock file in tuner pro as something to start with. I read I need a bin, an adx, and an adf file. I don't exactly understand that can someone explain it to me and show me where to get a stock one for a 90 iroc z 5.7 tpi speed density
02-26-2019, 02:50 PM
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Re: First steps
Aujp or super aujp would be a good start. Lt4 timing tables for your aluminum heads.
http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Inj...Information-8D
or
http://gearhead-efi.com/gearhead-efi..._7TPI_auto.bin
xdf is used to modify the bin, adx is used to datalog.
http://www.ultm8z.com/DIY%20Tuning.htm
http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Inj...Information-8D
or
http://gearhead-efi.com/gearhead-efi..._7TPI_auto.bin
xdf is used to modify the bin, adx is used to datalog.
http://www.ultm8z.com/DIY%20Tuning.htm
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02-26-2019, 03:48 PM
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Re: First steps
If you have aluminum heads, then For TPI, I actually wouldn’t go with LT4 tables…. That’s meant for short runner style LT1/Miniram intakes. I’d go with the timing tables from ANHT (L98 Vette TPI automatic) or AXCN (L98 Vette TPI manual).
I have those bins on my website as well...
http://ultm8z.com/DIY%20Tuning.htm
I have those bins on my website as well...
http://ultm8z.com/DIY%20Tuning.htm
02-26-2019, 03:51 PM
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Re: First steps
If you have aluminum heads, then For TPI, I actually wouldn’t go with LT4 tables…. That’s meant for short runner style LT1/Miniram intakes. I’d go with the timing tables from ANHT (L98 Vette TPI automatic) or AXCN (L98 Vette TPI manual).
I have those bins on my website as well...
http://ultm8z.com/DIY%20Tuning.htm
I have those bins on my website as well...
http://ultm8z.com/DIY%20Tuning.htm
195 aluminum heads
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02-26-2019, 03:58 PM
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Re: First steps
So I can't change spark tables I have to have ones to load?
What exactly is the spark tables? The timing to when the oplu fires?
What exactly is the spark tables? The timing to when the oplu fires?
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02-26-2019, 04:22 PM
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You can also see what Scott did by reading your .bin and uploading it to this site to see what file he started with.
You then can do a file compare in tuner pro.
http://www.gearhead-efi.com/bithoist/query.php
The prom id number in tuner pro might also tell the story of the starting bin he used.
You then can do a file compare in tuner pro.
http://www.gearhead-efi.com/bithoist/query.php
The prom id number in tuner pro might also tell the story of the starting bin he used.
02-26-2019, 04:24 PM
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Re: First steps
You can also see what Scott did by reading your .bin and uploading it to this site to see what file he started with.
You then can do a file compare in tuner pro.
http://www.gearhead-efi.com/bithoist/query.php
The prom id number in tuner pro might also tell the story of the starting bin he used.
You then can do a file compare in tuner pro.
http://www.gearhead-efi.com/bithoist/query.php
The prom id number in tuner pro might also tell the story of the starting bin he used.
02-26-2019, 04:38 PM
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Re: First steps
You have the equipment now, why not educate yourself. Do the suggested timing table, set your cid, set injector flow rate.Injector battery offsets. Datalog and adjust fueling.
http://ultm8z.com/ULTM8Z's%20EZ-VE.xlsx
http://ultm8z.com/ULTM8Z's%20EZ-VE.xlsx
02-26-2019, 04:41 PM
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Re: First steps
You have the equipment now, why not educate yourself. Do the suggested timing table, set your cid, set injector flow rate. Datalog and adjust fueling.
http://ultm8z.com/ULTM8Z's%20EZ-VE.xlsx
http://ultm8z.com/ULTM8Z's%20EZ-VE.xlsx
02-26-2019, 04:43 PM
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Re: First steps
That is what I truly want but there is so much I don't know. Took 2hrs last night for me to figure out how to load an ecu file to actually read it, and I am not a stranger to computers or electronics. Everytime you guys answer one of my questions I end up with 5 more
02-26-2019, 04:53 PM
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The goal is to give the engine what it wants. The timing table and fueling is just a start. You can always come back and adjust for pinging or add timing. You can shoot for stoic but there is more power on the table slighyricher. A wideband is very helpful or on your other thread we suggested the ebl p4. You can incorporate the wb signal into the tuner pro data stream with super aujp.
02-26-2019, 04:53 PM
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Re: First steps
For my own limited linear mind here is what I need to wrap my head around in order to get this
Tuning goal?= 1?+1?+1?+1? If that makes any sense
Tuning goal?= 1?+1?+1?+1? If that makes any sense
02-26-2019, 04:58 PM
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Re: First steps
The goal is to give the engine what it wants. The timing table and fueling is just a start. You can always come back and adjust for pinging or add timing. You can shoot for stoic but there is more power on the table slighyricher. A wideband is very helpful or on your other thread we suggested the ebl p4. You can incorporate the wb signal into the tuner pro data stream with super aujp.
How will I know when the engine has what it wants ie Dyno? Feel? Afr?
How would I know I need more timing?
Running slightly rich rather than lean is better for power?
The auto prom has terminal for a wideband is this sufficient?
02-26-2019, 05:00 PM
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Oh, well that's different... lol...
Yeah, you're going to need to touch everything most likely... VE tables, spark tables, Power Enrich, Open loop, accelerator enrich, etc...
I'd probably start with the S_AUJP. It has the capability for WB O2 monitoring in TP RT as well as the capability for specifying open loop operation up to certain RPM (I run open loop up to 1800 rpm on the Miniram and it is FAR superior in performance and driveability than closed loop in that rpm range.
Yeah, you're going to need to touch everything most likely... VE tables, spark tables, Power Enrich, Open loop, accelerator enrich, etc...
I'd probably start with the S_AUJP. It has the capability for WB O2 monitoring in TP RT as well as the capability for specifying open loop operation up to certain RPM (I run open loop up to 1800 rpm on the Miniram and it is FAR superior in performance and driveability than closed loop in that rpm range.
02-26-2019, 05:03 PM
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The goal is to give the engine what it wants. The timing table and fueling is just a start. You can always come back and adjust for pinging or add timing. You can shoot for stoic but there is more power on the table slighyricher. A wideband is very helpful or on your other thread we suggested the ebl p4. You can incorporate the wb signal into the tuner pro data stream with super aujp.
Otherwise, if you go 7730, we're all here willing to help...
One option as well would be to start with my S_AUJP-based Miniram start bin. The HSR is close enough to the Miniram that it might be a decent starting point. Plus you get the aforementioned benefits of S_AUJP. First off though, I think in your case a WB O2 sensor is must-have.... and also getting it talking with Tunerpro RT so you can review the data after a run and modify the tune based on it. Trust me when I say (outside of a dyno tune) you'll never get it right without a WB O2 if you plan to tune by feel.
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02-26-2019, 05:04 PM
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Re: First steps
Oh, well that's different... lol...
Yeah, you're going to need to touch everything most likely... VE tables, spark tables, Power Enrich, Open loop, accelerator enrich, etc...
I'd probably start with the S_AUJP. It has the capability for WB O2 monitoring in TP RT as well as the capability for specifying open loop operation up to certain RPM (I run open loop up to 1800 rpm on the Miniram and it is FAR superior in performance and driveability than closed loop in that rpm range.
Yeah, you're going to need to touch everything most likely... VE tables, spark tables, Power Enrich, Open loop, accelerator enrich, etc...
I'd probably start with the S_AUJP. It has the capability for WB O2 monitoring in TP RT as well as the capability for specifying open loop operation up to certain RPM (I run open loop up to 1800 rpm on the Miniram and it is FAR superior in performance and driveability than closed loop in that rpm range.
Lol my cam choice is what has me scared to tune it myself lol
02-26-2019, 05:07 PM
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Re: First steps
Yeah for your case, the ebl with some self learn capability is probably your best bet. It's not impossible to tune a factory 7730 ECM satisfactorily with your setup, but it may be easier for a beginniner with the ebl.
Otherwise, if you go 7730, we're all here willing to help...
One option as well would be to start with my S_AUJP-based Miniram start bin. The HSR is close enough to the Miniram that it might be a decent starting point. Plus you get the aforementioned benefits of S_AUJP. First off though, I think in your case a WB O2 sensor is must-have.... and also getting it talking with Tunerpro RT so you can review the data after a run and modify the tune based on it. Trust me when I say (outside of a dyno tune) you'll never get it right without a WB O2 if you plan to tune by feel.
Otherwise, if you go 7730, we're all here willing to help...
One option as well would be to start with my S_AUJP-based Miniram start bin. The HSR is close enough to the Miniram that it might be a decent starting point. Plus you get the aforementioned benefits of S_AUJP. First off though, I think in your case a WB O2 sensor is must-have.... and also getting it talking with Tunerpro RT so you can review the data after a run and modify the tune based on it. Trust me when I say (outside of a dyno tune) you'll never get it right without a WB O2 if you plan to tune by feel.
Keeping the 7730 because I already bought the autoprom for now
02-26-2019, 05:09 PM
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Tuned is probably right about the ebl... but here's the miniram start bin in case... obviously the dislaimer in that thread applies as I never know what condition anyone's vehicle is in. It's definitely a use at your own risk situation.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/diy-...start-bin.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/diy-...start-bin.html
02-26-2019, 05:13 PM
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Re: First steps
You can use that and modify your adx or hook to the 730 ecm .
http://static.moates.net/zips/wideba...nerpro_lm1.pdf
http://static.moates.net/zips/wideba...nerpro_lm1.pdf
02-26-2019, 05:31 PM
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Re: First steps
You really should go with the EBL instead of trying to tune with the AutoProm. Problem being with that much cam it's going to be difficult to tune your idle, etc. The EBL has the ability to implement N-Alpha blending to help control ratty cams. It's not just easier to tune, it has features that will make tuning easier and maybe even in some cases *possible* with components that are usually considered outside the abilities of (stock) fuel injection.
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02-26-2019, 05:36 PM
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Re: First steps
Sell or return the apu1.
here she is
http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_P4_Flash.php
$450 for the self install
here she is
http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_P4_Flash.php
$450 for the self install
02-26-2019, 05:38 PM
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Re: First steps
Sell or return the apu1.
here she is
http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_P4_Flash.php
$450 for the self install
here she is
http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_P4_Flash.php
$450 for the self install
02-26-2019, 05:41 PM
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Re: First steps
You can list it in the classifieds section here, you might try for $275 shipped.
or see if you can return it and pay a restocking fee if they offer that.
Im afraid you’ll have to take a loss on the apu1 and g1.
You could also use it to get your feet wet tuning and sell it after you tune some. I don’t think it would effects its value.
or see if you can return it and pay a restocking fee if they offer that.
Im afraid you’ll have to take a loss on the apu1 and g1.
You could also use it to get your feet wet tuning and sell it after you tune some. I don’t think it would effects its value.
02-26-2019, 05:44 PM
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Re: First steps
You can list it in the classifieds section here, you might try for $275 shipped.
or see if you can return it and pay a restocking fee if they offer that.
Im afraid you’ll have to take a loss on the apu1 and g1.
You could also use it to get your feet wet tuning and sell it after you tune some. I don’t think it would effects its value.
or see if you can return it and pay a restocking fee if they offer that.
Im afraid you’ll have to take a loss on the apu1 and g1.
You could also use it to get your feet wet tuning and sell it after you tune some. I don’t think it would effects its value.
02-26-2019, 05:51 PM
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Re: First steps
A wideband would be a good purchase to see where your at with the tuning. A narrow band can be tuned but it’s difficult. You will have better results with a wideband and you can use it with the ebl too. Nothing to loose giving it a try if you can return the apu1.
02-26-2019, 05:54 PM
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Re: First steps
A wideband would be a good purchase to see where your at with the tuning. A narrow band can be tuned but it’s difficult. You will have better results with a wideband and you can use it with the ebl too. Nothing to loose giving it a try if you can return the apu1.
02-26-2019, 05:58 PM
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The EBL is also what you want being new to tuning. It's going to help you get some of those VE tables straightened out.
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02-26-2019, 05:59 PM
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Re: First steps
It actually runs pretty good. Even the idle isn't bad the car is well passed drivable. My issue is I think the full potential power of the motor isn't there. I should have 400 plus to the crank and it doesn't feel like it. I'm sure it just needs tuning. I don't want to depend on anyone so I can adjust at the track as neccneces
02-26-2019, 06:07 PM
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Re: First steps
It actually runs pretty good. Even the idle isn't bad the car is well passed drivable. My issue is I think the full potential power of the motor isn't there. I should have 400 plus to the crank and it doesn't feel like it. I'm sure it just needs tuning. I don't want to depend on anyone so I can adjust at the track as neccneces
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