Can't get running closed loop
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Car: '91 Firebird
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Can't get running closed loop
Stock L05 from van, ANLU bin, only mod is disabled EGR. Engine runs fine, no codes, but I can't get it running to closed loop for some reason. Any ideas, what could prevent it to go CL?
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Re: Can't get running closed loop
if engine temp is below 140f or the o2 is not between 5-600f you will not enter cl. A defective o2 will prevent cl.
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Re: Can't get running closed loop
The engine is at operating temperature, O2 stays steadily at 446-455 millivolts. Nothing seemed wrong actually.
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Re: Can't get running closed loop
CTS is functioning fine, ECM sees the temperature correctly and engine is over coolant temp CL threshold. O2 sensor worked fine before engine swap, so I wouldn't blame it either.
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Re: Can't get running closed loop
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Re: Can't get running closed loop
Only place where I used silicone, was the intake and I used there black Loctite, I have always used without any problems.
If I remember correctly then after getting hot, the sensor read around 800 mV before the 305 to 350 swap. I never thought that the 450 should be too low, I just thought the cold AFR was spot on.
If I remember correctly then after getting hot, the sensor read around 800 mV before the 305 to 350 swap. I never thought that the 450 should be too low, I just thought the cold AFR was spot on.
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Re: Can't get running closed loop
Just sorted it out. Somehow I had damaged the sensor wire when I replaced the engine and it grounded the sensor output down. After fixing the wiring, everything works fine.
Now I have to sort out the reason why engine runs rich on medium RPM and MAP region. Does anybody know on what pressure GM is rating their injectors? My FP is 12-13 PSI at the moment, considering the service manual it should be OK.
Now I have to sort out the reason why engine runs rich on medium RPM and MAP region. Does anybody know on what pressure GM is rating their injectors? My FP is 12-13 PSI at the moment, considering the service manual it should be OK.
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Re: Can't get running closed loop
If it is rich lower down the ve in that kpa area.
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