Motor is coming out of the car and getting rebuilt. Its a serpentine setup and i really dont want to put the smog pump back in and dont think im going to.

i love my a/c but it seems like buying a smog pump delete pulley is a waste of money, and if i got rid of the a/c id free up a ton of space in my engine bay.

On the othe hand it does go over 30 degrees celcius here in toronto during the summer not sure how ill survive those days.

What would you do? buy a smog pump delete pulley, or tear the perfectly good a/c out?

 

I live in South Freakin Florida - Land of 98 degree months. Temp doesn't drop below 90 with high humidity from May-Early October. I lost my AC 3 years ago. I'm still alive LOL. Windows down, foot on the hammer and ride....

 

Neither...there is a link on the main page that allows for deletion of the smog pump and rerouting of your belt in a manner that keeps everything else. I don't see a need to dump the a/c unless youd really like the extra space and the couple horsepower it might free up. I have the set up on my engine...though my a/c isn't charged either and I live in south florida too...im still kicking as well :-p

 

Really ill have to look into that, i do kind of want the space cause my battery is in the trunk and i can run a CAI to the battery trey, but im sure i can do that with the a/c still in there.

keep the opinions coming

 

I think you may have answered your own questions here.. If i were you id be buying that pulley.

Mine got thrown in the trash when i done my header install. Im not much for A/C, it was in my car for the first 3-4 years i owned it and i never once turned it on, id rather roll the windows down. Also i have t-tops that i take off a lot in the summer. So i really have no use for an A/C.

really its all about what you want, not us.

 

Well, I have t-tops and roll my windows down all the time too...but if I have a/c I just turn it on max with the windows down. I guess Im wastefull...

 

HaH i know im just using you guys to really try to convince me to take it out.

After reading the article on the main tgo page tho, i realize i can keep my a/c without the smog pump.

Now i guess its a question of how much i need that extra space to run a cai to the battery tray.

 

i live in South Carolina and my pass. window only goes down halfway and i survive with no a/c.

 

Ha, I do that too. sometimes I put the windows up with the tops out as well

 

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all street cars need A/C. my Grand national has very cold A/C. I'll turn up the boost a extra pound to carry the extra weight. Cause riding in the black shoebox on a 90 degree day gets hot.

and hell you can still go fast with the A/C still on the car.

7.80 @ 93.2 mph with street tires


but like someone said up top it's really all in what you want not what we want or have

 

who needs ac I never use mine....well probaly because I dont have any freon in mine(long story). I wouldnt use it even if It did work thats what T-tops are for.

 

I don't understand the choices for voting...why can't you take out the AC AND buy a smog delete pully?

 

All you need is waterpump, and powersteering!

 

I removed my ac and the smog pump, and then i bought the delete pullys...

 

Don't butcher your car, get the delete pulley or reroute it if ya can.. unless its a drag only car than dump it if weight matters to ya.. no sense in detracting from the value of your vehicle.. I'm speaking from experience.. also if you DO decide to remove it take care in not damaging anything, keep all parts and store them so you can easily reinstall em in the future if you decide you've made a mistake in the future.

 

well the a/c and the smog pump are both on the passenger side. Smog pump is already out but as someone mentioned i can just run a longer belt and keep the a/c.

BUT if i want to i can just ditch the a/c as well, motor is getting rebuilt anyways so i can convert the water pump to an electric one, and then just run crank, alt, and power steering pulleys.

Only real advantage in ditching the a/c is because i want to run a CAI to the battery tray since mine is in the trunk now, and the a/c pulley is more or less in the way. Plus itd clean up the bay a lot and make ti easier to work on

 

It depends on WHERE you drive and for how long. Get stuck in rush hour traffic down here in Alabama, like Birmingham for a couple hours in August, and you will arrive one soakin'-wet sweaty dude. T-tops don't help when you're sandwiched between 2 big diesel rigs wishing you could hide from that hot as$ sun. Ask some people from Louisiana. I have a WOT cutout on my A/C and alternator so they take no HP when I gouge on it. I spent too many years riding in cars without A/C, I'll keep mine,.
(I don't know why they even put A/C on Canadian cars.)

 

no a/c for me...im fine without. even my daily driver doesnt have a/c, we humans are too spoiled

BUT...for a daily driver (which mine defenitly isnt) id honestly keep it.

 

LoL well no one has come closer to convincing me to keep it. And why in canada, well we do get a month solid of 30 degree celcius heat plus humidity, which the smog from toronto causes lots of. I'm pretty sure thats at least 90 farenheight.

 

Try 86'F. Come down here and we will introduce you to 96'F at 9:00 AM with 98% relative humidity !

 

I will tell you that I am a humble man and have always sacrificed so my wife could have the AC vehicles while I drive the junkers. I find it nice to sit in a climate controlled car once in awhile. My Camaro is BLACK with BLACK interior and good golly I am going to ROAST this summer. Given the chance I would install it and with gas costing almost $3 and gallon falk it, I will take an air conditioned bus this summer. I would keep it for re-sale value IMHO.

 

i drove a thirdgen for one summer without A/C.. that SUCKED.

I bought a '94 T/A, charged it full of cheap R134A.. never looked back. HELL no I wouldn't delete my A/C, I love that ****. My '97 was already charged when I got her

as far as thirdgens go, if it's empty, just delete it. It will cost $1000+ for an A/C job, closer to $1500+ if it's for R12.

 

no car I have owned has had working A/C except for my g/f's car. and I hate driving her car BUT I love driving it during the summer. on my rx7 opening both windows and the sunroof still doesn't cut it up here in idaho when we hit 100+*F outside.
A/C is nice. it keeps you cool and comfortable. it doesn'tw weigh a whole lot. it doesn't cost a lot of hp and when under WOT I think it would cut off.

if you really want that CAI try routing it somewhere else

 

It's not just a matter of comfort (or being a sissy!). Think about if you're going to an office job, wedding, date, or other event where you have to be presentable when you arrive. With no A/C, on a hot summer day, you and your nice clothes will be drenched in sweat (and you probably won't smell too good either). I understand we all wanna think we're manly men that don't need the A/C, but its necessary in our modern world.

I high school I didn't care, but I guess now I'm getting older and wiser

 

here is a pic of my engine for my answer,

 

Couldnt live without A/C and would never buy a car without it. Call me old and spoiled but I hate sticking to the seat on those hot *** days...

South Florida is HOT!

 

I ripped the A/C out of my car when it was a daily driver - and did OK without it even when living through summertime in Houston (constant 90+ temps & 85% humidity)...

But like others have said, it's your call.

 

im in about the same position as you are, i ripped out the ac while rewiring the car. now with it out, i dont know if i want to put it back in. i think i ultimitly will it gets hot as hell up here and humidity is always high in NYC. its nice for those really hot days, and the ac equiptment is not heavy really. i say throw it back in and save ur passengers, thats what im gonna do(even though id rather take the t-tops off, gotta keep the gf happy)

 

ZEPHER

is that just an a/c delete pulley on a serpentine setup? My only concern is i want to run a filter to the battery tray like you did, but i figured the a/c pulley would get in the way doesnt look like much room there. If i could run the filter there like that id keep the a/c in.

 

Exact same intake system as Zepher's with A/C in my "before" picture You just can't see the K&N filter:

 

awesome, i know the piece coming off the TB is a stock firebird piece right? where are you guys getting that piece thats on the other side of the maf sensor/plastic tube?

 

I tore all my AC stuff out cause it was all shot and would have to be replaced anyway when i get around to it.

 

I'm pretty sure it's part of the K&N filter kit. It was on my car when I bought it and now resides draped lazily across that TPI motor that I pulled out.

 

I'll keep my AC, thank you! When it is raining and hot out at the same time without AC your windows steam up here in Georgia heat and humidity- so you end up having to roll down the window part way anyway.

I am 39 years old and spent too many years driving cars without AC in the south and I have had enough of it. I see far too many 16 second (oh, I forgot they are all 12 second) quarter mile cars with the AC non working. I am in fact putting AC back in my '91 S10 where it has been removed (compressor and lines only) since the V8 swap in '2000.

Nothing worse than either sitting in a traffic jam in 90+ degree heat and 90% humidity with the sun baking you after working all day (I am a diesel mechanic on boats, work in engine rooms at 115*) on your ride home. If I can hop up an engine and suspension I can dang well keep factory AC kickin'.

Plus I pick my 15mo old daughter up from daycare- don't need her baking in a car without AC. And then there are the occasional 8 hr road trips to the in laws. Yeah, boy that extra few pounds and 3 horsepower sure are worth it! -Hot wind blasting you through the open windows at 75 mph for hours and hours, having to yell to have a conversation with your wife, being in a sh*t mood when you arrive, stinking in sweat soaked clothing......


Did I mention I will keep my AC thank you very much?
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I also want to mention it's funny how people will have no problems spending thousands of dollars building an engine that in normal day to day driving they can't really open up to it's potential, but freak out when it comes to spending a few hundered dollars on a new AC compressor and some labor to have it charged.

 

that rubber tube from the MAF to the air filter is stock as well.
All I did on my car was remove the air filter canister and put the K&N cone in it's place.

My car had A/C, but it stopped working. put the delete pulley in place and then did the rest of the delete swap.

here is a shot of my stock engine,

 

My compressor died a horrible death 2 years ago, so I usually just have it set on vent. Rarely roll the windows down. When it gets over 100° in the summer, I take the truck with a/c

 

I've had 3 thirdgens, all without A/C. My first car was an 87 Camaro with a 2.8, A/C didn't work. It was blue, had T-Tops, and grey cloth interior. Was hot, but livable.

Second car was an 85 Trans Am. Black with black vinyl interior and T-Tops. Didn't come with A/C from the factory. That was extremely hot, almost unbearable but I dealt with it.

Right now I have an 87 Trans Am as my play car. Previous owner took out the compressor and condenser, I took out the evaporator and heater box. Black with black cloth, hardtop. The black on black still makes it hot, but the cloth seats make it livable. Not having all that glass on the roof to let the sun in helps too.

There have been days when I wished I had A/C, but I like the look of a clean engine bay too much to screw it all up with that extra crap.

 

hey if it gets to hot in the car just roll down the window,thats what man made windows for

 

I ripped mine out and usually rock the 2-85 air conditioning...two windows down, 85mph. haha...but I won't lie, when it rains on a hot summer day and you have to drive the windows up it gets toasty in that compartment.

 

Some of us are spolied. Some of us love their car more than they love themselves (me included). So what if your girlfriend complains about the heat... She is riding in the best looking car ever made (IMO). I deleted my AC and I love it. Makes for a very clean engine bay. Also, if you are going over 80 and put the vent on, the air will be cool enough to cool you down. Seriously, if you do a lot of city driving than T-tops and windows are a must. If you are on the highway AC is just overkill.
Hey, I like my armpits sweaty and my engine bay clean .

Nuff said. Now go rip that AC out and never look back. You'll thank me later, or especially if you get headers!

 

It would be interesting to see the poll responses broken down by age;

I bet the older guys are in favor of air conditioning!

 

well i think im decided to keep the a/c in, with pictures like zephers its pretty easy to see that i can run a CAI to the battery tray with the pulleys in place.

I could care less about the "power loss" and as for the space it takes up....really its just the smog pump that takes up all the space. When the r-12 runs out its illegal in canada and im not paying to have my junk converted, so itll come out then.

 

You would be correct! It comes from being miserable for years and years. Also ask anyone who has had to repair the damage from someone else who had the "rip-it-out" mentality.
If you are good and somewhat lucky, you will get to be "old" someday too.
Ain't living in Alabama great? No catalytic converters, no AIR piping to headers, and no inspections. Put that money into A/C.

 

Agreed...and Im 25...dont consider myself that old but I want to keep my a/c. Unless youre racing the car and the extra 10 pounds matters that much, you can keep the a/c, make it clean, and be cool on those 90 degree south florida days. I can live without mine, but if its rainign and hot, Ill be taking the newer truck :-p

 

I'm 19, and there are good reasons why I bought a '97. The A/C was one of them Screw being miserable in the summer heat, I'll just crank up the A/C. Funny thing is, when it gets hot, EVERYONE wants to ride in my car LOL even people who've deleted their own A/C because they were too manly for it haha

I'll take the extra 25 pounds and be nice and cool.

 

It's a great state for a car enthusiast!

And the Huntsville Dragstrip has test and tune for only 10 bucks per person; at a Nashville TN track it was like 20! Just for test and tune!

 

I'm down here in North Texas, and I'm living without it. It gets hot as hell here, but I can't afford to fix it right now...

I'd say its worth it personally...

 

You know my vote

 

here in houston without A/C? nope, not going to happen.
starting in august the high temps routinely hit 100F+ with 95+ % humidity, and it can stay that way into the middle of september, it may not even get to 90 at night during that time, toss in sitting at a dead stop in traffic for a few minutes with no wind blowing in the heat of the day without A/C, no thank you, been there done that, i vote keep the A/C.