chas0218

Alright so he has a 4.6L mustang with
Full bolt ons from intake to exhaust
trick flow heads
mild cam
stock drivetrain (5 sp)
street tires

I have:
388 fully forged
comp cams XE284weiand stealth intake
holley 700
3" cat-back with gutted cat
3.42 posi rear on sticky street tires
T-5 (might have the 700r4 in by then but doubtful)
port and polished heads with 2.02/1.5 valves

My heads are holding me back the worst...But who will win? Im thinking the stang but he cant really drive.

chas0218

no1 could give me an outcome?

HCR13

iTrader: (5)

sounds like a good race. Unfortunately I don't have any info on the outcome. Maybe 25thmustang might chime in...

25thmustang

Trick Flow heads I believe just came out for the 4.6 cars... What year 4.6 car, what cams? More info is needed for me to he an idea.

chas0218

ok i found out he has stock heads but rear gears 4.11. He wont let me know much about the cam. short duration but .5xx lift that is all he would tell me.

25thmustang

What year is the car? A bolt on, cammed 4.6 "could" be an 11 second car on a set of tires. It could also be a 14 second car!

Z2EIGHT

A reference pic of a similar mustang could help us.

If it's a soft edge, you have to find a year since 94-95 were 5.0s and 96-98 were the 4.6.

1991firebirdman

I dont know who would win but I have been a Ford Man since birth ( i bleed blue). I have a 97 mustang Gt with an Aluminator block, patriot stage 3 heads, and a Street racer cam with .500 lift,high nickel forged pistons and crank, a Tremec TKO 600, Aluminum Driveshaft, and 4.10 Posi gears. its estimated @ the crank to be around 450 hp. but i dont know if his is that built but id bet on the mustang. these 4.6L engines can rev to 6000 RPM in stock form and build HP all the way to the limit. So all in all i would bet on the stang in my experience if i was the stang driver. ive beat LS1s. but if hes BS'ing id vote u. i dont know if that helps or not

v10viper04

Beat an LS1 in stock form? () Or beat it with those mods? Cause why even bother saying you beat an LS1 with 450hp... Of course you'll beat an lS1 with 450hp. lol

z28freak84

I bet YOUR car dont make more than 320 to the wheels....Which would mean you're making 380 at the crank... No way that a 2-valve is makin 450 at the crank!! You would have to spin it to like 8500rpm...

UnderCover89TBI

iTrader: (25)

being that ppl bs about thier car i bet his car does at best a high 13. i have no idea what your care does..im leaning towards the stang winning..unfortunately..

ziggy89

id dont see y a 388 with that cam cant be breakin 12's ive got less cam and when i get the new tranny in ill be there.

whats so crappy bout your heads yea your exhaust valve is a little small but thats not a big deal.

chas0218

It is a soft edge and its a 97

My heads aren't bad but dont flow what a set of AFR's would.


Ok for an update, I now have a built 700r4 with 2400 stall (came with the tranny) and I should have 3.42's out back with a spool and drag radials.

now who might win?

o did i mention he will be on a old set of crappy directionals.

I'm hoping with a 3300 stall this summer I will hit high 11's

Thanks,
Chas

ziggy89

ive got my money on the thirdgen. a stroker motor makes a **** pot of torque. and i hate to say it but no single overhead cam 4.6 made power even with bolt ons they seam to be dogs. now if he went to 32 valve heads that would be a completely different story.

brodyscamaro

I'm thinking you got him.... Just a guess tho

And this post is hella old

greatskiiiier

iTrader: (1)

mustang all the way, this car is a powerful motor in a stock car, mustang FTW

rojas1826

most modded mustangs are only good for making noise and they need some sort of power adder to get any faster extremely rare that someone has a fast one with just bolt ons theres a high chance hes just another noise maker. but who knows.

Bullydawg

iTrader: (7)

I doubt you will be running a high 11.... That is quite a time slip with slightly modded heads.

chas0218

the heads are 2.02/1.50 they aren't slightly modded..they have quite a bit of work. i have seen a lot faster camaros with a lot less done. I will keep this thread on the back burner till the snow is gone...

danziger

The 1996-98 pre-PI 4.6s are total dogs. Maybe 180rwhp in stock trim... Even with optimized full intake/exhaust and better cams, he'll be at around 230-240rwhp. I don't see how you lose this race...

danziger

Huh? A 1997 GT has 215HP...less HP than most stock TPI cars and far less TQ. The SN95s also gave up a lot of the Fox-bodys weight advantage. They are 15-second cars all day long...

Vortec_Formy

My 96 ws6 stock would tear sn-95 stangs apart, and was neck and neck with a vortech super charged 97 gt. It would be better if it was a 5.0 since I have had 2 foxes and they were fun and quick. Early mod motors suck without aftermarket or pi heads and some good money invested and gear and exhaust and slicks and turbo and a blower and nitrous and a diesel motor and gods hand......

CamaroIROC88350

iTrader: (1)

Well, just race him & see who wins! I've beaten a couple of Mustangs in my IROC-Z. I'm not afraid of a Mustang & neither should you be! Haha, just enjoy the race & try to make a video if you can.

hellz_wings

iTrader: (2)

Curious about this one too... There's a ton of shitty stangs around here who like to show off... I wanna show them a peice but never really got a chance to get a clear straightaway away from traffic.

CamaroIROC88350

iTrader: (1)

Find one & see how it turns out. Or do what I do. Let one find you, then get up next to him & freaking hit the gas pedal. Make sure not to hit anybody in the process!

hellz_wings

iTrader: (2)

LOL i'll try not to!

CamaroIROC88350

iTrader: (1)

I had me a Foxbody for dinner a couple of weekends ago from a roll. Yum, yum, him & his friend were surprised my Z took him with lot's of I want some stang!

CamaroIROC88350

iTrader: (1)

I think it's funny when a Mustang drives behind my car to the left or right side slow enough that you notice them. I've had several Mustangs do that to me. My best guess is that they're trying to figure out which car I have because there aren't alot of true 350 IROC's out here.

Brendan91Z

I think the third gen has the 4.6 if its that old crappy 97 defiantly my buddy has a 94 5.0 GT with a crap load of bolt ons and my friends 94 z would eat that thing alive every time and it only had a damn flowmaster on the car and the rest was stock. Im waiting to finish my car to take a run with my friends 5.0 rustang

formuladave88

i dont see how the mustang could get this third gen, mine has shitty exhaust and it laughs at 4.6 mustangs, unless you just spin through the first three gears, i'd say you got him. famous words "there's no replacement for displacement."

TACGNOL

A 97 gt? there is a brutal 15 sec car right there...you better watch out...lol

chas0218

His car might be a little faster now...

Here is a list of upgrades he did.
Intake
cams
heads
exhaust (full)
gears
bottom end untouched

Its a fuel injected car with 2v heads, i have no idea on the power he could make with these mods.

His last car he dumped 8k into a 5.0 fox body and the best he could get out of it was 13.6 (5 speed)

This car is also a 5 speed and he can't drive.

EDIT: I was just looking on summit and the trick flow top end kits is only rated for 390hp/375tq. I should have about 450hp/450tq (at least) so I still don't think i have anything to worry about with my car running the exhaust uncorked and being auto.

rojas1826

what would an 03 mach 1 with 410 gears, and exhaust run?

ziggy89

low 13's high 12's. they are 32 valve cars with a solid 8.8. like a cross between a cobra and a gt. wat i would be looking for in a stang.

rojas1826

daaamn thats fast, i know a guy whos goin to the track and i thought we might be close but i guess not, wish i could afford a bigger engine.

chas0218

My buddy "said" he put new heads on his car but would the 32v heads interchange to the 16v? Because i could be loosing my race if they can. If im not mistaken the 32v is a DOHC motor and the 16v is a SOHC.

EDIT: Doing a little research told me they didn't make the mach 1's until 2003-2004 and were a limited build. basically the same motor as the SVT Cobra but without the badges.

ziggy89

its the non supercharged cobra motor so like an 01 or so with a solid rear end.

Vortec_Formy

wow sux for your friend, I put 3500 into my 88 gt including buying it for 1200 and went 12.7 on the motor and 11.40 on the bottle. lmao

crystal383

i'd have to go with the iroc. i've seen a 350 sbc in a 87 camaro beat a procharged o4 gt. i doubt that 4.6 is close to that. one of my friends put full exhaust and intake on his 96 gt. he got it dyno tuned and put down a whopping 208 to the ground! hahaha! i doubt you'll have any problems.

crystal383

in fact. here's a vid of my friend in the 87 camaro hanging neck and neck with an 03 pullied cobra.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYazpBfpOco

KNBlazer

dayum... on the 3rd gen is that all cam?

crystal383

what do you mean all cam?? he was supposed to be spraying but the wide open throttle switch got knocked loose. his cam wasn't that big, he just had a really tight lsa. i think it was around a 108 or 109. thats what made it sound so choppy.

chas0218

Thats awesome I love the lope in that cam....

crystal383

haha. yea, it was pretty rowdy. but those heads were really holding it back. it needed alot more rpm.

chas0218

1250 VIEWS! damn