I tried searching for "3.4" in this forum but it said no searches could be found. Anyway, I need a new motor and I've been leaning towards a LT1, but since the motor is more expensive, more work being done to swap it, and since I can't do the swap myself it's gonna cost more to do it. I'm trying to do this on a budget(under $2500) and I doubt I can do it for that much. Since the 3.4 just bolts right in, and a lot cheaper then it's looking like the best choice to do price wise... I know the 3.4 isn't a performance engine, but how much would it take to run at least 14s? Or with full exhaust, all bolt ons, cam, heads, how fast would it be? In the end would it be just as much as it would of been to just pay the extra money for the LT1 swap?

 

itll take a lot to get into the 14s. youre gonna have to work that engine over to get that low. and most people who have swapped the 3.4 in have had to rebuild their trannys due to the added torque, especially if youve got high mileage on it. check out AM91, hes just into the 14s and hes got a lot done to his.

 

So to get a 3.4 into the 14s it'll probably cost the same as a LT1 swap would cost then? I might aswell save up a little longer and just get the LT1 swap.

 

affirmative, i'd say for 3500 to 4000 you could get a decent tranny and LT1 with decent miles on it. i'm not sure on the labor costs of this however, i'd figure in the 1500's for labor if you're not gonna be able to do it yourself. so that would leave you about 2500 for the engine and tranny and all the necessary electronics. again, this is just an estimate, not an exact.

 

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Part
Model Description Miles Part
Grade Stock# US
Price Dealer Info Dist
mile
1996
Engine
Chevy Camaro 8-95,5.7,AUTO 69,000 4D0102 $1500 Kress Auto Recyclers USA-PA(West-Hazleton) E-mail 1-570-454-7211 80
1996
Engine
Chevy FORM A POLICE CAR 350LT1 M.F.I 49,000 981214 $1200 Flower's Auto Wreckers USA-PA(Smithton) E-mail 1-800-872-5475 252
1996
Engine
2DR,ABS,RED,5.7L,AC, 6SP,150PSI 040856 $1200 Joes Used Auto Parts USA-PA(New-Ringgold) E-mail 1-570-943-2011 67
1996
Engine
Chevy Camaro (WSE)-RDY-RUNS NICE,Z28,5.7L,AOD,AC 45059S $1000 Al's Auto Parts, Inc. USA-PA(Trevose) E-mail 1-888-396-2199 3
1996
Engine
Chevy Camaro (WSE)-RDY-RUNS GD,5.7,6SP,AC-NDS337 45547M $1000 Al's Auto Parts, Inc. USA-PA(Trevose) E-mail 1-888-396-2199 3
1996
Engine
Chevy Camaro RUNS GOOD 010082 $850 SToytown Auto Wreckers USA-PA(Stoytown) E-mail 1-800-358-8770 212
1996
Engine
Chevy Camaro 5.7,180-165,CK BOTTOM,ALL COMPLETE 91,830 A 5H6100 $Call Jay's Auto Wrecking USA-PA(Edinboro) E-mail 1-800-736-8214 298
1996
Engine
Chevy Camaro 5.7,AOD,RWD,113K, 012595018 $Call Feezle Auto Wrecking USA-PA(Enon-Valley) E-mail 1-724-336-5512 295
1997
Engine
Pontiac Firebird 5.7,MFI D02144 $Call Sechrist Auto Wreckers USA-PA(Dawson) E-mail 1-888-747-8733 250
Year
Part
Model Description Miles Part
Grade Stock# US
Price Dealer Info Dist
mile

 

heres a list of engines for sale in pa, but it will give you an idea of prices

 

trannies are generally in the same area of price, actually, seem to be a little more expensive.

 

What website were you using to get that info?

 

car-part.com

 

Doesn't a bone stock 3.4 in a 3rd gen run mid to low 15s as is?

 

w/a stick & good driver it should

 

Then 14s would require some minor things, like headers, a better designed intake, maybe even a TBI set-up, under drive pulleys and better exhaust, maybe a cam and higher ratio rockers.

IIRC it will only take about 180 to 190 WHP to get there, which is not a whole lot, in reality.

You should be able to get and install teh above parts for less than a G-note.

 

im in the 14's...i think... i can keep stock z28's from catching me :-D

 

But I got a auto

 

get a shift kit

 

I think what I'm going to do is get a used 3.4, or maybe even a used 3.1, paint it and sell it. No use into putting all this money into a car that isn't worth it... Not saying all third gen's aren't worth it, but mine isn't.

 

why do that? if you put the motor in and sell it how much ya gonna get? come on now you'll end up with the same thing.....fix it drive it, save and swap it.......hell come to fl and I'll GIVE you a full eng+tranny carbed 2.8 for 350. Iam dropping a 4-bolt 350 in it

 

Thats a pretty bold statement. Lets see a picture of your car and enigine bay. I happen to live about 10 miles from you and would love to see this claim.

 

im going to the track on the 12th to find out for sure.
you can come meet us at fontana, or, you could come to ricky and ronnies on the 19th of november, and meet both myself and the guy that drove the z28 that couldnt catch my 3.4

most people didnt believe me when i told them i kept up with a mustang cobra going through a twisty canyon (not on the straights, on the turns) either.

so really it doesnt bother me what you think. i know what really is and thats all thats important.

 

I can eat a Mustang Cobra for lunch on a canyon run in my '87 V6. Thats not the point. You claim a heavy 4th gen V6 running not only 15's, but 14's. Whats done to it to make it so fast straightline?

Also, who's the local with the Z28 you are talking about I am sure I may know him if its the local club that meet at Ricky and Ronnies.

Before you go thinking this is an attack again, it's not. It is an inquiry as to what you have done to get your car so much faster than stock. I eat stock 3.4L 4th gens fairly easily with my 2.8 third gen (but I'm not stock, far from it- search around about me and you will see) hence why I ask- with that said- I am merely asking how and what you did to make it so much faster because I beat stock 3.4 forth gens, but can't touch a Z28 3rd gen by a good margin in a straight line race.

Here, I'll save you the trouble of searching-I am very well known locally, no one messes with me on an autox course an comes out smiling. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/518752/8

 

I thought you lived in OC??
If you lived in the South Bay I wouldve been at your house a million times already for help.

 

I am right near Don's shop in Orange. I am just on the east side of the 55 (Dave "Killjoy" and I are about 5 bolcks apart).

I am about 25 miles I guess, was thinking he was from Los Alomitos, not Lomita. I should have known better, I grew up in Carson- think I told you that before Ken, I lived right near the "Old Quaker Paint" store off 213th st. I was on 212th street off Neptune. We are talking over 25 years ago though- yes I am getting to be an old man. Heck, I was a snot nosed kid riding around on my bicycle up and down Avalon Blvd when they shot the original "Gone in 60 seconds" moive (Not the remake with N. Cage- the original back in the early 70's).

 

relax turbo -- not making an attack. just stating the truth. it really doesnt matter to me what others think of my car, cause its my car and as long as i know what it can do it doesn't matter if anyone else does.

getting on with it: the last time I had the car on the dyno I showed 170rwhp/207rwtq (doing the math to remove drivetrain loss, thats an estimated 200hp/245tq).

heres a printout to prove it (dont ask me why they used "speed" as a measurement, i have no idea. it was their dyno)
http://camaro.adwire.com/dyno4.html

and heres the graph:
http://camaro.adwire.com/dyno1.2.jpg

when i dyno'd it was with a bunch of corvettes just after i had broken in the engine, and i had 3.1L stuff on the car (3100.. smaller intake ports and runners)

i have since upgraded to year 2000 3x00 parts (bigger intake ports and runners) and i can feel a difference in the power. everyone that has ever taken a ride in my car that owns a 3.4 says that my car is like night/day compared to theirs.

i've had ls1 owners ride in my car and tell me that my car is damn quick, and ive raced a few Grand Prix GTP's and kept up with them. GPGTP's run 14.7 in the 1/4 mile. I plan to go to the track on Nov 12 and get me a timeslip so people like you will stop questioning my honesty.

ive never lied to anyone and i dont plan to start now. I've done something no one else ever has. Wanna see what I've done? come to ricky and ronnies on the 19th of november, or come to fontana on the 12th.

anyway. never figure im attacking you unless i start getting really angry at you - and trust me you'll know when that happens.

anyway. you are more than welcome to come sign up for my board (wont make you a member of the club) and shoot the ****. come by on the 19th and say hi and ill show you my engine.

you can also get a sneak peak here:
http://camaro.adwire.com/modpics/

anyway. have fun all -- v6#22 - congrats on having a nice autox car. i hope to have my car at a point where it'll handle great someday. just not yet.

laters.

-R

 

You mean something like this?:



I too am upgrading the top end to the larger port top end, and also upgrading the turbo.

I do agree the hybrid is well worth the work.

I know that mine with out boost would have been a low 15 to high 14, but the only runs I made were with boost at a high 13......

Haven't seen you on 60degree for a while. *waves*

 

You mean something like this?:



I too am upgrading the top end to the larger port top end, and also upgrading the turbo.

I do agree the hybrid is well worth the work.

I know that mine with out boost would have been a low 15 to high 14, but the only runs I made were with boost at a high 13......

Haven't seen you on 60degree for a while. *waves*

 

My hats off to you. I asked for proof and you showed it. I was sketical about a California car being subjected to smog checks having any work done to it- it is rare to see around here with a newer car.
I take it you have connections on smog checks

 

lol. something like that. anyway -- come out on the 12th and hang out with us at the track, you can see what my car can do, or just come say hi at ricky/ronnies on the 19th

i dont usually say i can do somethign without something to back it up if you look at my sigpic you'll see my engine bay when i had the 3100 setup in it.

 

nice pic, I also like where the coil paks ended up, I had the same place w/the 3800 while it was in.