Dale

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that picture is out of an extended cab s10. There was no holdback on the funds, he spent like 700 just on rockers IIRC.

firstfirebird

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So many people fall into the expesive mods. I'm using 1.7 roller tips on LS6 springs, 3500 heads, custom cam, 75mm TB, ported on a 3.4. hoping to see 225 N/A (for less than $1k)

91Convert, go to the V6 forum and look at the top for a "new thread" icon. Also if you would be interested in an Eaton M90 bolt on kit, PM me.

This thread is supposed to be for 60* performance parts

69charger383

well that Fageol will work on the carb'd 2.8's as well.. its in the intstrunction manual of the one I own on how to set it up properly.. I think we should start a forum on how many people would be interested for a company like edelbrock to make a new FI manifold for us.. Im sure if there was enough interest theyd do it..

2.8RS

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UD pullies, 60/62mm TB, engine dressup:
http://mrzperformance.vstore.ca/inde...cPath/23_24_31

PedalToMetal

Do the computer chips for the 89 work for an 88 too?

bl85c

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Depends on what you mean, but aftermarket chips made for an '89 should work on an '88.

PedalToMetal

Hell yeah, thanks. Do i have to change something if i buy the stage 2 JET chip? I mean apart from a tuner. Will it work good on a stock car?

bl85c

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Works fine on a stock car. Your money would be better spent getting the equipment to tune it yourself though.

bl85c

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Here's a list of what we have so far. Note that I have omitted certain components not specifically related to the 60deg v6 or that are listed as replacement parts which may be compatible.

Chips-
Jet stage 1 chip> 18908
Jet stage 2 chip> 18908S
Hypertech chip> 129322
Hypertech chip> 128932

Engine components-
GM performance parts alumium block> 10051141

Probe forged pistons (at fiero store)> 52833
Probe forged pistons (at fiero store)> 52835

ARP rod bolts> 133-6002
ARP head studs> 233-4003

ATI harmonic balancer> 917190

Melling high volume oil pump> M95HV
Sealed power high volume oil pump> 224-4148V
Sealed power high volume oil pump> 224-4152V

Edelbrock chrome valvecovers> 4488
Spectre chrome valvecovers> 5268

Headers-
Pacesetter headers> 72C1206
Pacesetter headers> 70-1206

Ignition-
Mallory mechanical distributor> 4569201
Mallory mechanical/vacuum distributor> 2769201
Proform mechanical/vacuum HEI distributor> 67082

MSD cap & rotor kit> 8430
Accel cap & rotor kit> 8133
Mallory rotor> 331

MSD HEI coil> 8226
Proform HEI coil > 66937C
Crane ignition box & coil kit> 6000-6302

Pertronix HEI ignition control module> D2000
Accel HEI ignition control module> 35361

Induction & fuel-
NOS 3.4/3.8 nitrous kit> 05175NOS

(most generic carbs compatible with use of edelbrock 3789 upper intake manifold)

Edelbrock intake manifold (upper 2bbl)> 3787
Edelbrock intake manifold (upper 4bbl)> 3789
Edelbrock intake manifold (lower)> 3785

(most generic injectors compatible)

Underdrive pulleys-
Auto specialties pulley kit> 541801
Jet pulley kit> 90108

Valvetrain-
Edlebrock cam & lifter kit> 3790
Comp cam> 16-233-4
Comp cam> 16-232-4
Comp cam> 16-115-4
Crane cam> 250511
Crane cam> 250801
Crane cam> 251241
Crane cam> 253901
Crane cam> 253941
Crane cam> 254112
Crane cam> 254122
Lunati cam> 06312
Melling cam> MTC-5

(most sm block v8 lifters compatible)

Comp roller tip rockers> 1414-1
Crane alum roller rocker (single)> 25750-1
(most sm block v8 rockers compatible with use of 3/8" or 7/16" studs)

Cloyes roller timing chain> 9-3137

(most sm block v8 and LS1 valve springs compatible with use of associated hardware and/or spring pocket machining)

Links-
www.kb-silvolite.com > large resource for replacement pistons
www.60degreeev6.com/store > ported cylinder heads/ intake manifolds/ throttle bodies, crank scrapers, ect.
www.fierostore.com > ported cylinder heads/ throttle bodies, forged pistons, ect.
www.engine-parts.com > stroker kits, shortblocks, cams
mrzperformance.vstore.ca > ported throttle bodies, underdrive pulleys, billet oil caps

91convert

Does anyone know if those pacesetter headers (that fit the 85-90) will fit my 1991 3.1?

92camarorv6

yes that will

epic612

wait, there is no cold air intakes for the 2.8? damnit.

bl85c

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The 2.8 camaros don't need an 'intake'. The stock air filter flows more than enough and draws infront of the radiator so it's already a 'cold air' intake. You can cut a hole below the firebird air filter canister to turn it into a cold air setup.

epic612

not the camaro. i'm rockin the bird. but i want to eventually, over time, to a total overhaul on the car, and one of the things was to install a cold air induction.

so you're saying i don't need it? but if i still wanted it, ya know, for the look and all, where could i find one? or am i **** out of luck?

bl85c

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Late reply, but anyway you really don't need to change the intake setup unless you plan on some serious mods, but if you just want a cold air setup you can cut a hole below the air cleaner. I don't know of any aftermarket intake setups for the 2.8 or 3.1.

drdave88

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there arent any aftermarket ones available for the firebird, but plenty of people have made them, do a search and im sure youll find plenty of pics and some details on how to make one.

backgammon7

were can i get an intake minifold for a fuely 2.8

2.8RS

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The only aftermarket intakes are for the carbed motors, you can port the FI intakes. The only other intake that will work for the fuel injected motors is the FWD ones but that involves a whole topend swap which would give the best results, much better than out top end.

bl85c

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Actually you could get the carb manifold from edelbrock, but a 3x00 top end swap would be almoast as involved and give much better results.

firstfirebird

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Carb to Gen3 is not that easy of a swap.

Remember the 2.8/3.1's don't have a way to get the crank signal to the ECM, and the exhaust manifolds won't work (even headers need some modification).

Six_Shooter

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If you REALLY want an aftermarket intake for the iron heads, look up "Potter race heads" or "Potter Racing", something along those lines. AFAIK they are not making the genI 660 intak emanifold, but you may be able to find one for sale somewhere. About 3 years ago, Potter cleared out ALL of thier 660 parts, even the prototype stuff in a single lot, there was some pretty interesting things in that lot.

bl85c

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Both are pretty involved swaps (although you and I want to make it seem easy ) but with a little more work and some creativity a much better fi setup can be had.

thirdgenfcarnut

Hey great list. I am glad to finally find 60* f body enthusiasts. When I called Summit, they told me none of these parts were available!! WTF!! The headers you listed state they are only for the 2.8 I have a 92 RS with the stock 3.1 Will these fit my motor? Do they have an EGR provision? If so, I am assuming it is for the vacuum controlled egr, not the electronic controlled soleniod like mine? Thanks!

2.8RS

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The headers will fit. You will just have to toss the AIR pump and the EGR can be put back on.

87InRecovery

OK guys, I am new to the forum since my $350 '87 Ebay purchase last summer. I brought it back to life, and have been in desperate search for performance upgrades.
Well Gentlemen, I have a good addition to this forum for internal components.

87InRecovery

Gentlmen,
I am going to purchase some pistons soon. I haven't disassembled my engine yet, but am wondering if the stock pistons are flat top, dished, or have valve reliefs in them?

Also, what is everyone's thought about the oil ring. Do I NEED a piston with a "shallow oil ring groove"?

2.8RS

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Depends on what motor you have. The 2.8 pistons are flat tops and the 3.1 pistons are dished I believe.

grimmcs

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Just thought Id point out that these are V8 springs. A recent post made me look at them. They still can work, but youll have to cut them down...thats kind of a waste of money to cut down such expensive springs.

grimmcs

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I just wanted to add that I found the V6 lowering springs.

Suspension Techniques 60115

I think that the main list on page 1 should be updated with all the new parts and info.

camarofan90

does anyone know if their is and were to find a "fordged steel rotery set" i think that is how you spell it, for 91 3.1 v6 any help would be nice

87InRecovery

The only forged items I found (especially the crankshaft) are custom made by Crower and will cost a pretty penny.

project89

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i belibve i posted another link to a forged crank it ran 700$'s id have to go back threw the whole post and look though

firstfirebird

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A 3500 crank is forged and costs $400 to turn the rod journals down from 2.249" to 1.99"





(3500 crank in a Gen1 60*)

bl85c

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The rods are forged from the factory and the fiero store has forged pistons.

project89

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whats a sbc rod journal again?

edit nm its 2.10 but u would need a custom pistion neway right? why not just use the sbc rods and get pistons witht he right pin size

bl85c

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If you're spending the money to have the 3500 crank machined I'd expect everything else to be replaced with forgings at one point. Not sure how much extra space would be needed, but why wouldn't you skip narrowing the rods altogether and machine the extra width into the crank since you'll be machining it anyway?

camarofan90

thanks everyone you guys are awsome, and i am painting my car tomarow will post picks

seitz83

i have a 3.1L mpfi out of my '91 firebird and it is completely disassembled and im looking to build it this winter. i ended up buying a double roller timing chain and gears and a performance camshaft and also a hypertech performance chip and performance fuel injectors. if i used these aftermarket parts and got aftermarket headers would it mess with the computer at all. will it be ok if i put all theres performance mods in.

87InRecovery

As long as your camshaft is reasonable and not overdone, your fine. Don't forget to bump up that ignition system, high-flow cats/muffler, and underdrive pulleys are optional.

Crazor1987

I'm the new owner of a 1987 Camaro 2.8 V6 with less that 50,000K. I'm looking to add a little more horsepower and I was just wondering if someone could recommend a few things to start with that would give me a small horsepower boost and thats not going to cost me an arm and a leg.

87InRecovery

Headers would be my first choice, although the most expensive. Lesser cost items would be a Hypertech computer chip and Hypertech thermostat.

2.8RS

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Those chips are pretty much worthless. You can do alot more with the money. I'd do full exhaust and intake first. Then you can do a cam, rockers, etc.

grimmcs

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--> 100%

thirdgenfcarnut

Anyone know of a strut tower brace that will fit a V6 equipped third gen? Everywhere I search leads to STB for V8 cars only. Or has anyone made their own???? HMMM...

project89

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i was making them a long time ago.i think street lethal has my old stb he posted pics of it a while back and i may even have pictures of ti somewere ill look around
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thirdgenfcarnut

VERY COOL!!! Thankyou. I am very interested in seeing your pics of the stb. BTW how much were you charging for your stb?

project89

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i dont remeber i think it was like 150 bucks for a dbl adjustable stb

i wa smaking them out of chromoly tubing with adjustable hiem joints on each end

epic612

are those intakes only for use with a carburetor? is there anything for the 2.8/3.1 MPFI?

project89

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u wont find anything other then the trulelo intake, or homebuild manifolds for the 2.8/3.1

though after looking at a 3.4 upper intake manifold the 3.4 mainfold looks to be somewhat of an upgrade over the stock 2.8/3.1, noone has tested to see if its worth any gains though

if u wanted to try u should be able to pick one up at ur local jy for a few bucks

epic612

will the ones that say they're for the 2.8 work with the 3.1?