ok i have used the search, but still am not getting a solid answer to a few questions. to start with the car is a 84 camaro 2.8 5sp. a/c has been pulled, as well as the smog pump. set screws in the manifold. now the questions. to those who have gotten some where with the sixer!

1) ok i know the '84 2.8 came with a computer adjusted dist and a not so great 2brl carb. so in my search there is a push for the msd, i am sure it is a great dist but $$$$ no, will a dist for a 82 with vacu advance work to replace the factory? Will this with a 390cfm let me clean all the non helpful vac lines and dumbass wires...as in no computer!!! also what is ment as a canadan car?






2) this is the biggest question i have, what is the best head that will work with the edelbrock edl-3789 & edl-3785. i think it is gonna be a 3.4 but hope it could work with 3500 or some other badass 660 head that i can find for low bucks. the base block is currently a 2.8 with under 5,000 miles from a replacement.


more will follow, i have a lot of stuff in the works, but i try to make time for this car every week.


bill


also i would love to see some performance v6 photos, like the underhood shootout, more interested in carb v6 pics. that should get a responce if nothing

 

I wouldnt bother with it unless you can fab your own turbo setup and completley overhual the engine.. in the end a bigger engine would be way cheaper and way more powerful.

 

i guess its a good thing i am stubborn as an **** and have a bad case of dont give a shitt... not to be a pecker , i was asking about heads, and dist interchange. Not what other people want to spend my money on, thanks. Ill buy a bond and pay for my v6 upgrades with the interest.

or pics, what dose your underhood look like, take a jab at me ... but show your big dog v8 atleast.

bill


this is a fun place
"any v8 views can be aired in a v8 forum, i think...i am a pecker... darn.

 

I think that you have the small port iron heads. Get some heads off of a fuel injected f-body, they by themselves are a huge improvement (same heads). Unfortunately you can not run the 3x00 heads with a carb unless you can fab up an intake manifold, they are of a completely but much better design. Get an Edelbrock intake also, maybe with the proper 4 barrel carb. You can run a vacuum advanced carb with the carb and be completely off the computer. My friend just did what you are wanting to do on his 350. I have been looking into a carb swap from fuel injection for a while now.

For another increase in power you could look at the 3.4 swap from a 4th gen.

 

i guess i need to set some coin aside for a.r.i. performance alum head w/ any luck a set for under 650, not to bad. i guess, but on with the house of pain. someone gotta have a nice 660 with a little pride.

 

You can stroke it and build the engine to the nuts N/A (very expensive and not worth the effort) or put a turbo or maybe supercharger on there. Ive seen some killer turbo v6's on here before but they look like they have waaay too much money in them. I think fuel injection would be a much better option also.. just my opinion.. I used to have a camaro with the MPFI V6 and I hated pulling up beside civics and wanting to destroy them but only had 100hp under my foot..

 

Those ARI aluminum heads are the FWD 3x00 heads. They won't work with the intake that you have. You would have to fab a carb intake or fo to fuel injection.

 

what about a set of these?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GM-3-...mZ160223444306

any better

bill

 

i too am looking at going carb with that edel intake, though you can only use it with the crapy iron heads and not the nice ally's. i did look at using ally heads LIM then a set of modded bmw m3 throttles on top - look like carb run by computer and would breeeeeaaaaaaaaTH !!! although youd be limited on later mods ............................
in the end though i think im guna stick with a 4bbl 2.8 iron headed, when one comes around ill get the 3.4 block for a little extra then eventually ill supercharge it which is an easy upgrade if your running a carb 4bbl setup. the iron heads work well under pressure as well aparently.
anyhows thats what im up to ;-)

 

Those may not work. Ask if they are the aluminum heads you want the iron heads. Even though they say Camaro the combustion chamber is different and if has the Malibu listed. The heads from the fuel injected 2.8s, 3.1s, and 3.4s are the same.

 

^^^ Those wont work. Those are the 3x00 heads.
I have a set of, disassembled, iron heads laying around. Ill have to check to see if they are the large port iron heads.

 

well darn...

so i guess it comes down to finding better flowing iron heads. But am unsure over the best to match up to the edl intake. If the 2.8 & 3.1 are direct swap, and the 3.4 has a wider bore spacing.... is there a difference in the angle on the mounting face on the intake? If the intake gaskets match then would it not just bolt up?

new big question, why is there not a sticky of year and or vins of cars to grab parts, HEADS, or what not.

also i think i might have come off like i was anti FI, not true. I do not have FI on this car, so unless someone gives me a full swap and helps me swap dont hold your breath i will be adding it to the old girl.

still throwing ideas on a chalk board,

bill

 

The carb and fuel injected heads from all 2.8s, 3.1s, 3.4s are the same. You could say that they are the same casting since the carb intakes will work. I beleive that you want heads from a 86/87 or newer f-body. Those bolt right on with the stock intake.

 

Ok, there is some confusing info being posted for a 60 degree noob.

all gen I EFI heads are the same. The key part to note in that sentance is the gen I. Gen I 660s are most commonly found in RWD vehicles, namely the F-body and S-series between 1982 and 1995. There was also an early '90s Lumina APV that also used the GenI 660. Also of interest is that all 660s 1986 and previous were also of the GenI design, this included all FWDs, such as the Cavalier, Phoenix, Citation, etc.

The statement that all EFI genI 660s used the same head might be a bit misleading, as I'm not sure that the early FWD EFI genI 660s equiped cares used the "large port" genI heads. But you can be sure that any longitudily mounted 660 (F-body and S-series) that used EFI, either MPFI or TBI used the better heads. The valves are larger and that's what makes them more desirable over the earlier carb heads.

The genI which were all iron BTW* are the only heads that will work with the aftermarket intakes, such as the Edlebrock intake available.

*There were some early prototype genI aluminium heads, that seem to have made thier way into the hands of some private individuals.

If you want to step up to EFI, then you can use the FWD genII and III heads that are avaiable.
For easiest use of the FWD top end, it would be best to start with the 4th gen F-body 3.4 block, as it has provisions for the crank trigger that is required to use with the genII and III top ends. A dizzy will not clear the LIM or UIMs on these later versions.
On a 2.8 or 3.1 block, you are limited to using a 3400 head, as the largest, this is due to the bore. The 3500 heads use a larger combustion chamber, and will over hang the block on the smaller bore of the 2.8 and 3.1.

There is a lot more info to be told, but it would seem that you are limited to the genI parts since you don't appear to have the confidance to swap to EFI.

 

For the feed back carb.
What they did was set the carb up to naturally run very lean.
The computer would read an O2 sensor, and then turn on an enrichment solenoid, wait for the 02 to read rich, and then turn it of. it would do this fast enough that the afr would be close to 14.7

I would think that it would have jets like any other carb. Just unplug the solenoid. Then add richer jets so that the carb gives a decent mixture.

 

Or you could smash the stupid feedback carb & ecm with a hammer.

Most of what you're bringing up has actually been covered before, but the search function's a piece of crap. You can bolt a MPFI top end on your engine, but you might as well replace the whole thing. The early pre-'85 blocks have smaller main bearings and are known for being problematic. The 3.4 has the same bore spacing as all other 60*'s (except 3900's?) but the bore is larger and the block has additional reinforcing in addition to the crank trigger provisions. A 3.4 with DOHC pistons and iron heads should give you 10/1 compression. Good place to start.