I have a 1990 camaro 3.1L v6 (stock). I was wondering if it is safe to run nitrous? where would be the safest place to put it?
how much of a HP increase would I see?

My main goal is to beat my friends stock civic(manual).I accelerate quicker from start but he catches up and beats me.
How can I beat him?

 

My personal thing it 50-75 on stock engine with some little mods like air intake and maybe exhaust. Pistons, ignition, bottom end, full exhaust, intake, head porting etc id run 125-150. Mod ur car first b4 u try nitrous
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[This message has been edited by Graeme'sFirebird (edited March 20, 2001).]

 

as far as Nitrous goes, i'm not sure that'd be the first step i'd do.i would say, do some minor mods, or some major ones, but not nitrous, do maybe a camshaft, that'll hopefully free up some power, also, upgrade your ignition, coil, and wires, to add some more top end power. Remember that Foreign cars (japanese ones) are top end revers, my mom's camry won't take off until high RPM's, although my car could beat hers up there too, i would still spank her off the line. So, improve your upper end, and if you still can't do it, then try nitrous.

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I agree, take care of the smaller stuff first. Do you do a major tuneup yet? Here's the message with everything you need to do: https://www.thirdgen.org/messgboard/...ML/000545.html Did you do a cat-back exhaust and a cold air intake?

Oh and "nitro" is short for nitromethane, not nitrous oxide, by the way.


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is nitrous safe? like lets say i put a 50-70 shot of nitrous on a stock 92 RS v6 (daily driver) would the engine still be reliable and last a long time or would nitrous royaly fahk up the engine?

 

personally, id never run nitrous on anything with more then 60k miles on it...id think thats pushing it on a stock engine. If you do, make sure new fuel filter, fuel pump, newer injectors so you dont have a fuel block and blow up yer engine. Run a fuel pressure gauge so you can keep tabs on it too.

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" I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT run at all ".

[This message has been edited by Graeme'sFirebird (edited March 20, 2001).]

 

ya it would prolly be aroun 80 some grand miles....if i did put that new fuel stuff in, and had an aftermarket fuel pressure gauge put in thats real accurate (im assuming they all are :-P ) then would i be ok with a daily driver shootin 50-70 hp shot of nitrous?

 

id think so. Just dont use it below say 2300-2400 rpm...and use it sparingly.

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" I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT run at all ".

 

Just a minor point of clarification -
"nitro" and "nitrous" are not interchangeable terms.

Nitro refers to nitromethane, commonly used in "nitro-burning funny cars" and "fuelies". It's a substitute and/or addition to gasoline.

Nitrous is a gas (as opposed to liquid) used to supplement gasoline burning street/strip cars.

Sorry to be to ****-retentive, but I clicked on this thread expecting a totally different subject line (not that there's anything wrong with this discussion).
KTSSU

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greames..u mean sparingly as in only in little ***** kill races? or sparingly as in keep it off when starting car and moving slowly, but once im on a road just go ahead and flip it on and make sure the RPMs stay about 3 or alil higher, 3-3.2k ?

other wise i should have 0 probs with my engine as long as i change that fuel stuff?
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im just trying to make sure this info is 100% correct/accurate because im am seriously contimplating nitrous. a 3.1 isnt exactly fast, dont get me wrong its fun as shiet have a v6 5 spd camaro, but when my dad owns a used car lot and i drive CV convertable corvettes and stuff all day long, its doesnt have that much of a kick. also im 16 and i dont have alot of money to burn, so the 1.5k for nitrous compared to a 3k turbo kit (is there one for our 3rd gen f-bodys?????) is a big diff. now also dont get me wrong, if u can lead me to a cheap turbo (would be very willing to save up for a twin turbo if its possible) ill jump on is asap as soon as i get the cash. personally i like turbos over s/c's and s/c's over nitrous, but from my understanding there isnt any bolt ups of either turbo/ s/c's that we can buy....corrections?

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anyone? thoughts?comments

 

Nitrous is safe as long as you use it correctly... Most nitrous users I have talked with recommend a solid ignition and fuel system. This means good plugs, wires, coil, and most had MSD or Accel ignition boxes, new fuel filters and a new fuel pump or boost a pump... Do the ignition mods first then dump 75HP and have fun... Forged pistions and a few other mods 90HP can be done...

 

cool..thx, do you guys have a price estimate on all the stuff i would need to drop 75hp? maybe numbers, or names so i could take a ride down to pep boys or autzone?

 

anyone? anything? just moving it back up..dont mind me

 

25thRS, don't worry, I feel the same way about confusing the two. (See the message I left before yours.)

Brian's right, make sure the ignition & fuel system are in good shape before you put a nitrous shot on the car. Lack of fuel is what causes burnt (melted through) pistons- so the fuel pressure gauge is a great idea. Yeah if you're at the track you can't really "do anything" if your fuel pressure drops- BUT, you can turn off the nitrous, and save your engine.

In NJ, last I heard, if you're pulled over, and have a nitrous bottle in the car, your car is impounded. This probably isn't a good "street" mod. Definately don't use it all the time- daily's out of the question, and hell, weekly use might not be good, either. Besides, You'll get used to the 50 HP shot quickly, then want a 75, then a 100, then 125, then... boom! Rebuild time.

Why does everyone go to AutoZone/Pep Boys for important stuff? Call Summit Racing at 1-800-230-3030, you'll get the best price, plus free shipping.

I see less of a danger with a "dry" nitrous system, like those made by NOS (Nitrous Oxide Systems). They use the stock fuel injectors to add the extra fuel. "Wet" nitrous systems, like those made by NX (Nitrous eXpress), use a spray bar to shoot fuel into the throttle body. Fuel can puddle in the intake, and one backfire can blow the top of your engine apart.

I think the NOS kit was around $450-$500... but Summit would know the exact price. That comes with the bottle, by the way- I've heard of systems that don't.

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eh, sounds bad to me then..i need some good quality daily driving SPEED! Anyone know where I can get a direct bolt on..NO MODS TO BODY AT ALL! since i can barley work a screw driver :-D jk..(almost not lol) supercharger or turbo? seems like a better option now..

 

25thRS, Nitro doesn't mix with gas, it mixes with methanol. I've got a quart of pure nitro around here somewhere, I can prove it. Nitro is also a controlled substance to some extent, you can't just go into your local welding supply store and say "gimmie a drum of nitro."

I guess I'm a little **** as well.

 

87RS402, what would a welding shop need with nitro? Maybe when I find one (to buy my Argon/CO2 bottle), I'll ask them for nitro, just for kicks!

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Tom, Most welding supply stores are gas suppliers. Thats where the doctors get their supply of giggle gas in alot of towns. For nitro you would need to go to a race fuel distributor. Stuff's not cheap though. The methanol to blend it with was $2/gal last time I bought some. Takes 1.7 times as much too. If your getting 20 mpg now with meth you'd get around 12. Then to take advantage of it you need higher compression, different advance curve, and reset the whole fuel system to flow the right amount. It also eats standard rubber fuel systems so you need to run all new alcohol compatible lines.

The upside of nitro and meth is I could (if I really wanted to) make the state recognize it as an alternative fuel and make my car smog exempt. (not going to, I don't have emissions testing here) Burns cleaner too.