Ok before you panic or moan about this its kinda techish "design any way" and alot of you v6 guys have fbirds where as the main part of the board have camaros. Well I just want to post this topic here and see what your experiances have been. Ok enough explaining !

Ok so lately Ive been having to drive alot for work "drive=fast" and theres been alot of cops around and I admit I space them 90% of the time and drive a good 10/15mph over the speed limit yet I have never gotten a ticket. Yea lucky yet I was talking to an ex cop and he said and I quote "Those Trans Am's dont show up on radar well because of the angles on the nose." Besides the fact that my cars isnt a trans am I seem to think there is a partial truth to this because radar and lidar (laser) like flat surfaces to bounce off of. Has any one else noticed this?

Some more techish q's for Oclocks sake
What is the major differences between 2.8 3.1 and 3.4?
Which electric replacement fan is the best?
What is the max RPM your v6 can spin?
SSC

 

well my 88 T\A has about the same vertical area on the bumper as my friends 89 Camaro. so i wouldn't think so, at least not my year.

the 3.1 is .3L bigger then the 2.8, and the 3.4 is .3L bigger then the 3.1 and .6L bigger then the 2.8

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well there is some truth in that. The plain jane Fire birds have a sleeker profile and yes the angles bounce the radar off to infinity. The GTA's however are the same as cams and will read. If you want to cut down your profile get a paint job smooth as glass and head light covers and try to get everything smooth.

 

I think he means how the 3.1 is a bored out 2.8, and the 3.4 is a "new" design.

KED can set ya strait. he got some interesting views when doing the 3.4 boogie

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85 Firebird. $150.00
2.8 Auto.
Blown Head Gasket.
turbo coming soon ,
or at least getting the title in my name

 

sorry had to add this. Speeding tickets are the easiest thing to get out of. do your homework and with a few papers you can get the thing tossed outta court. You can request whats caled a "Right of Discovery" at the traffic courts clerks office and request everything you can. The cops radar gun owners/operators manual, the service record of the gun, of the car, the maintenace of the gun and of the tuning forks used to calibrate the gun and proof of the calibration of the calibration fork, hell even get the cops training record and more then likely his training for the gun has expired(it has to be renewed every 6 months or so.
And do not believe the cop in court if he says he "paced your car to determine speed", ALL MECHANICAL THINGS BREAK AND WEAR DOWN. THE COP I HAD TRIED TO SAY THAT HIS SPEEDO WAS "STATE CERTIFIED TO BE 100 PERCENT CORRECT" I MADE HIM EAT HIS WORDS ON THAT AND ADMIT HE HAD NO IDEA IF IT WAS CORRECT OR NOT. I even asked a inlaw that is a high archy in the Illinois States Attourney's Office and she said thats bull... There is no such thing. If your on here then you know something about cars, USE IT TO YOUR ADVANTAGE, MAKE THE COP ADMIT THINGS THAT HE HAS NO CLUE ABOUT AND PROVE THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
If one of the many many things you request do not show(odds are at least 1 will not show up) it's dissmissed.

One of the best things I bought was "beat your ticket in court and win". I can personally say it got me off a ticket not to long ago. It cost me 19.95 and saved me a 75 buck fine, 35 court costs, and the insurance hike, you do the math and see if its worth it.

[This message has been edited by Camaro_hunter_d (edited August 23, 2001).]

 

I've logged over 750,000 miles in the last 8 years and I feel qualified to say it's not how fast your driving but how fast everyone else is driving. If everyone is driving 10/15 miles over the limit then your in with the flow of traffic. Yes, you are speeding but your not impeding traffic so it's the lesser of two evils. I can cruise during "rush hour" down there at 65 in a semi and not get noticed because I'm with the flow. If your blantantly flying faster than everyone else then your cop bait. I've heard every conciveable way to beat a ticket and most of them are bull. That comes down to you vs. cop. Who's gonna win? In the miles I've traveled I can't count how many times I've been on the side of the road having it out with a cop. The result... Not one conviction. Even when I got a DUI 3 months ago. The DA declined to file charges. I know my stuff, if you do get pulled over be cool, be helpful and be polite. That will go along way to getting a warning not a ticket.

While firebirds may have a better profile, the grountd affects ahve nothing to do with it. Radar works off of metal, it reflects. The whole damn front end of my camaro is plastic. Leaving a flat core support to reflect directly back to the gun. A firechicken on the other hand has a curved hood that extends over the core support to help redirect the reflection away from the gun.

(This message brought to you by some lame V-8 guy.)
(Not only am I lame I made it from Magic Mountain to Disneyland in 57 min. @ 6pm on a friday.)

 

I can agree with this topic

EX: I was driving down a road in West Haven, CT Ten minutes from my house. There was on the side the road a "Radar Road Sign" what it dose is collect all trafics speeds and records them and then the police look over the speeds ands decide whether they should set speed trap on the road. So anyways the car in front of me went by the sign and came up 25mph, which was the speed limit. Then it was my turn i went through and as a was going the sign changed speeds, 15,18,35, and then it said 84. it just goes to show you how bad radar is when it comes to Firebirds and Camaros.
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Rob

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Yea Ive been looking for those lately thier helpfull with finding the range for radar detectors "I have two yet dont use em".

As far as the metal being a good source for radar I.E license plate angle it like / that agel being the stock location as far as I know for my bird. Funny though I read an artical that said 15 years ago durring the big radar explosion moterists in florida were getting speeding tikets for 200mph Then an independent study done by the state collected radar guns ranmdomly and tested them. A "HOUSE" was reported going 47mph in a 25 zone funny how a fully statonary home with basement was speeding. Also a stop sign was recorded on radar going 200mph.

So anyway I was thinking about a perma cool electric fan for a BB 1400 CFM. Will that cool a 3.4?
SSC

 

This sounds like the guy on a radio show who said he can beat a ticket because he keeps his iroc so shiney the radar never sees his car, or if he does get pulled over he just intimidates the officer...

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87RS402 - I hate the term "firechicken".

I personally find the exterior differences on 3rd gen. camaros to be less attractive than the Firebirds, and of course power is no real diff, but I don't go around calling them my ugly cousins. Use a diff. term aye. >=]

As for the topic, good tips camaro-hunter, I've beaten a tick in court too. My license plate says "I <3 COPS", damn pigs.. .

-88 v6 & 88 GTA-

 

It also matters what color your car is. My dad, being a cop, says red is the best color for reflecting radar, while black is the worst. If all this is true, why in the HECK did I get a speeding ticket a few months ago?? I can't catch a break

Here's a question... Does anyone know what the drag coefficent is for a firebird with headlights down and up?

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Ask the SoCal guys.
All tickets here, have been reduced to illegal revenue gain.
They make the rules.
They enforce the rules.
They collect the prize. Yea, it is crooked real badIhatepigs.
I wonder if FastRS will check in?
I'd enjoy knowing how he did on his latest ticket?
We can try the tricks (I have) but, ineffective out here most of the time.
I try not to even bother them anymore. It's cheaper.

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Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

The best cheap way to mess up radar is to put tin foil around the out side of your front plate that way when the radar get bounced off it it make it look like your going 400 mph, so i'v heard.

 

Heh... I look for them too... and then I turn around, go back a few miles, wait for the road to clear, and see how fast I can go through them. Yeah, I know... some of them have cameras in them. But, they're still fun to mess with.

One time, I had one of my friends stand by one with a camera. He snapped a picture of it as I came through at 117mph. The really funny part was the "Speed Limit 25" sign right above my speed.

**Disclamer: This was perfomed on a closed street (We had my neighbor, a cop, block the street for a couple minutes, with a staged arrest. And I still can't beleive he agreed to do it for me...), with proper protective gear worn (a motorcycle helmet and a seatbelt). I do not condone the act of exceeding the speed limit by almost 100mph. But it's fun !

 

This is technical and helpful so it won't get locked unless something comes up, so don't worry.

As a future corrupt cop and a non-stop speeder, I have researched heavily into radar/laser.

Few facts: Speeding tickets can be beat 94% of the time if you're willing to fight them.
Radar works very very well. Don't even think that your car's design is going to help you. Now, a very aerodynamic sleek BLACK like a Vette, or 91/92 Bird shows up a little bit later than others, but it still shows up.
Laser has flaws: 1. User has to be either outside of vehicle or holding gun outside of car (ie. not through glass). 2. User has to be stationary. 3. User has to aim at any flat reflective surface (license plate, rearview mirrow, sideview mirrors, etc.)

Just thought I'd throw that out. BTW, there ARE effective LASER jammers out there. However, the effective radar jammers are illegal due to the fact that they interfere with aircrafts.

 

here ya go guys
it's in a RX7 forum but it includes some info on lidar and radar from a bacon boy himself as well as a guy who does work with these kinda toys

go read up on the info

http://www.rx7club.com/vforums/showt...ighlight=lidar

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Trick: I've gotten out of two tickets by using the "I'm a college student on my way home for the weekend" line. It was true but it worked anyway. Although one of the cops was lying thru his teeth about the speed. My speedo => 60mph; His gun => 75mph

BTW I call my Bird a FireChicken all the time (See UserName), I think it is kinda funny.

Dale

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2.8L MPFI
1/2 CAI
Gutted Cat, No muffler
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You want to be a cop? Cool... so I'm not the only one. Although, right now I'm not sure when I'll be able to go to school...

 

Ya my reckless driving ticket i love but today i went to court to plea NOT GUILTY lol for driving over the double yellow to pass a truck who weaved me aroudn him with his hazards on doin 20 in a 50 zone well they give me there minute order it says Driving over a divifed line on the FREEWAY. I was on a friggin street not on a freeway lol oh this is gonna be a fun figt again lol. i got the ticket july 5th postponed it til today and asked for the latest court date so my trial is OCT 5 lol so over 2 months will have gone bye hehe. Ill win cuz i know i wasent on a freeway

 

"Few facts: Speeding tickets can be beat 94% of the time if you're willing to fight them."

hah! Where did you get that fact and statistic?

 

Someone mind explaining to me why the largest concentration of dreamers (read boneheads, idiots, feeble minded twits) is on the V6 board?

Speeding is against the law. We all do it, we all eventually get caught. Just suck it up and pay your fine. No matter how you look at it, theres no way you can beat every ticket, and there's no way you can beat every speed trap. Chalk it up as leasons learned and experiance gained. Dreaming up reasons why radar is inneffective won't change the fact that you're endangering yourself and the others around you. Most everything in this thread is false. Study all you want to beat the tickets, you'll still sound like an idiot making excuses why you were speeding.

 

Well I'll tell you one thing that i know works almost ALL the time for getting someone out of a ticket. Unfortunetly it only works for girls...
They cry, i know so many women that have gotten out of tickets by crying, it is so unfair. I even read an article the paper a while back about how men are twice as likly to get a ticket than women...it's tottaly unfair... but it has worked to MY advantage once...
This one time i was driving on the freeway on my way to drop off my ex at her house, well i was doing about 90 and i pulled over. Well i told her to start crying (she was really good at that) then i just told the officer that i was trying to get her home on time because her mom gets upset when she isn't home on time...
worked like a charm

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you fit right in.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Drew:
[B]Someone mind explaining to me why the largest concentration of dreamers (read boneheads, idiots, feeble minded twits) is on the V6 board?

Someone mind explaing to me why the largest concentration of a s s holes , (V8 guys think there better than everyone ; know it alls , V-eighters thinking there faster than everyone) come on this V6 board with such a lowsey gnikcuF* attitude like yourself ?
*read this word from the back to front . Thank you Wayne

 

Guys radar guns work off radio waves. Just like sonar detecting subs. It doesnt need a flat surface to bounce off of. The waves are very wide by the time they reac your car. I mean hell they can pick up the speed of a baseball, which is completely round. It just picks up the compression that comes back to the gun and then does a simple physics calculatio which I cant remember right now and yeilds a speed. Pretty easy and no matter what car you drive it will work. Sorry.

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maybe Drew thought norock, or some other "uncool v8ers" were here?

 

Actually more then that can be beaten with "technicalities". IF YOU KNOW HOW TO GET THEM AND FIND THEM. RADAR IS NOT FULL ROOF AND IS FAR FROM BEING EVEN REMOTELY ACCUATE IF THE COP HAS NO CLUE WTF HE IS TALKING ABOUT. i HAVE GOTTEN 4 SPEEDING TICKETS 97/55 85/65 77/55 83/65 IN LAST 2 YEARS. I HAVE BEATEN ALL OF THEM! WITH POINTING OUT THE TECHINICALITIES THAT THE LAW IS BASED ON!. DO YOUR HOMEWORK THERE WAY EASY TO BEAT!. Like I said do the "request for Discovery" thing and you'll win every time because something is bound not to show up that you requested, of if it takes too long foe it to arrive you get off.

 

[quote]<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WaynesRS:

Quote:

Someone mind explaing to me why the largest concentration of a s s holes , (V8 guys think there better than everyone ; know it alls , V-eighters thinking there faster than everyone) Thank you Wayne

Hey Unfair , Im a V8 guy I just prefer 6's "FOR REAL"! If japan can do it, we can !

So back to subject.
The genral consencis is Ive just been lucky, the cops have a sweat spot for fbirds or think im too sexy for a speeding ticket So Ovrclck350 and 87CamaroLTIf im in your neck of the woods in the future than means no speeding tickets right??? Or how about a fake one that says 186mph in a 25
But the subject still stands does the 3rd gen Firebird have stealth qualities that reduce radar readings?
SSC

 

to an extent yes. I have had a cop tail me for 3 blocks tring to get a speed reading and he couldnt do it for some reason. I dunno It's not like we don't have a huge flat bumper area... I think it just depends on if the cop KNOWS how to do it right.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SSC:
[B] Hey Unfair , Im a V8 guy I just prefer 6's "FOR REAL"! If japan can do it, we can !

SSC Not all of the V8 guys are .They have some nice ones , Wayne

 

Radar never seems to get me any tickets. I drive 5-15MPH over the limit on occasion.

And as far as my recent posts....
I'm S'ingTFU.

See ya guys.

 

What the heck does that mean IROC? If it's not anything bad, I'll have to say that I'm impressed! But if it is, you need to lay off seriously.

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I've had a complaint on this post. Lock down.