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bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku just noticed its for sale now no good info sure is alot more then the 399 price they talked about years ago $749 |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit haha its weird seeing that up on summits site.... thought it would never get out there. still ugly as sin tho |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit Estimated ship date is 1/20/09. Looks good to me. :) |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit bueatiful :) Now if I could just get a job...:mad: |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit Captain Obvious says: 749 is way more than the 400 that was on the bbk site! :crazy: |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit the price is about right for a good intake these days. Still better option than superram and smog legal unlike HSR/MINIRAM although miniram NOW has EGR kit :) |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit ohhh man...thats sick...i want it...but 800$...thats alota money maybe in the future...its prolli decent on a 5.0 too |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit
Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ
(Post 3994325)
the price is about right for a good intake these days. Still better option than superram and smog legal unlike HSR/MINIRAM although miniram NOW has EGR kit :) Bill |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit How much horsepower will this make vs a stock TPI setup? |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit I wish that BBK guy that's on here would drop by and post an update. |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit last time it was posted the ship date said 12/31 i have a feeling it wont be shipping 1/20 either. |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit
Originally Posted by 1fastiroc-z
(Post 3994523)
How much horsepower will this make vs a stock TPI setup? makes about 50-60 hp in 5000+rpms over the tpi |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit
Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ
(Post 3994325)
the price is about right for a good intake these days. Still better option than superram and smog legal unlike HSR/MINIRAM although miniram NOW has EGR kit :) |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit
Originally Posted by CHAMARO
(Post 3995740)
that is true, although i am horribly unimpressed with the "turtle ram", it may be the best bet for those that choose to recombust their exhaust gas and keep those handy dandy state inspection stickers. Just thought the price change was interesting. :) As for price "change" as you call it----I'd say the first was estimated. Now that the R&D and all the production is sorted out they came up with an ACTUAL price. Don't bother me---I do not see anyother companies coming up with an intake designed for our cars at this price or less. |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit
Originally Posted by avro206
(Post 3995772)
why are you unimpressed? As for price "change" as you call it----I'd say the first was estimated. Now that the R&D and all the production is sorted out they came up with an ACTUAL price. Don't bother me---I do not see anyother companies coming up with an intake designed for our cars at this price or less. I contacted BBK r&d when this intake started to look like it was actually going to happen. The answers i got from bbk were enough to make me question the quality of its build, or at least their customer service skills. At the time, and maybe still, we didn't have any dimensions, port sizes, flow numbers, or hardware info (fuel rails etc). I asked about the multiple sealing areas (gaskets) and the ability to hold boost - no answer. I asked about fitment, porting, and intake sizes (1204 05 and 06) ports - "It should fit performance heads and it will also be port-able if you feel like you nee to do some grinding on it."I sent a 2nd email asking again about port size. "What are 1206 ports?" :crazy: So as for the intake itself, until someone gets their hands on it and installs/ measures everything, all it looks like now is a cheaper and possibly better version of the SR. Which is good dont get me wrong. Especially since the SR is no more. But it sure would be great to see some individuality, some pioneering ingenuity. Not just a copy of whats already been done. BBK = SR MR = LT1. Id like to see something based off of a singe plane that would give us better distribution but would still utilize the upper plenum and TB. If you are looking for a street car thats smog legal and not a serious build or boosted. probably a good choice. But i would DEFINATELY wait for someone else to get their hands dirty first. The lack of info with this intake is astonishing as is the customer relations, and that is really would i am not impressed with. As for the price 750 is reasonable for a 3 peice intake. The SR was around 1k. I think the 400 was there to get some interest goin b/c it would seem crazy to sell that at $400. :) |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit
Originally Posted by avro206
(Post 3995772)
why are you unimpressed? -- Joe |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit Hi folks: I have been lurking and learning from the experts around here for a while. What I would like to know is what are the flow #'s from this intake. I amy have seen them somewhere before, but cannot either find or remember wdhat they may be. The FIRST, according to Ken, is around 235 which i believe is through the whole system. I may be wrong about that. What dwes the BBK flow, that may prove its' worth. Thanks |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit I had number one port on my First TPI intake manifold only flowed and it was 301cfm. |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit
Originally Posted by CHAMARO Just thought the price change was interesting.
Originally Posted by CHAMARO .... this may be a good choice for those who are going to remain smog legal. |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit :thumbsup: that is a good point! didnt even think about that. they may have kept the cost of the certification out until they decided to go for it. Probably a wise choice considering the other non smog-legal competition. |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit For $750 no way, EGR or not |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit This intake is a day late and a dollar short. I have had two friends buy a 5.3L and trans combo at the local wrecking yard for 900 dollars. for 250 to 300 more a guy can get a new trans and motor that make much more HP. |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit
Originally Posted by DAVECS1
(Post 3997829)
This intake is a day late and a dollar short. I have had two friends buy a 5.3L and trans combo at the local wrecking yard for 900 dollars. for 250 to 300 more a guy can get a new trans and motor that make much more HP. Definitely a better option! BBK = http://kevinrobinson.files.wordpress.../epic_fail.jpg |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit Like almost everyone I am really interested in seeing someone (maybe one of the performance magazines?) run one of these and see what we really have before I plunk down $800.00. However, not everyone is interested in engine swaps or installing a MR/HSR on their 3rd gen. As several people have mentioned BBK has invested a lot of money to put together a product that could benifit some of us, I don't think it is the best interest of our hobby to start running them down on this web site. Hopefully this will be a great product that some of us can use to make more power. |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit I agree. The BBK has some potential. I just hope some one here locally buys one so we can inspect it. :) |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit They should have had a group buy for all that waited soooo long for something that kept getting delayed and pushed back. Now they'll be sitting on alot of manifolds that will never sell that well. Seems like a great manifold and I would bought one in a second if it was anything close to 500.00. But for the price they are asking I rather buy big tube runners and a decent TPI manifold set up for the same price. I understand they are trying to recoup cost, but in todays hard times I think it would been better if they made there money on quanity sales. Think about the dodge challenger, great car but bad timing. It would have been the bomb if released the same time the mustang came out.... |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit
Originally Posted by 86 Money Pit
(Post 3997918)
Like almost everyone I am really interested in seeing someone (maybe one of the performance magazines?) run one of these and see what we really have before I plunk down $800.00. However, not everyone is interested in engine swaps or installing a MR/HSR on their 3rd gen. As several people have mentioned BBK has invested a lot of money to put together a product that could benifit some of us, I don't think it is the best interest of our hobby to start running them down on this web site. Hopefully this will be a great product that some of us can use to make more power. Day late and many dollars too high |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit
Originally Posted by 86 Money Pit
(Post 3997918)
Like almost everyone I am really interested in seeing someone (maybe one of the performance magazines?) run one of these and see what we really have before I plunk down $800.00. However, not everyone is interested in engine swaps or installing a MR/HSR on their 3rd gen. As several people have mentioned BBK has invested a lot of money to put together a product that could benifit some of us, I don't think it is the best interest of our hobby to start running them down on this web site. Hopefully this will be a great product that some of us can use to make more power.
Originally Posted by vindeezl
(Post 3998335)
Keyword SOME Day late and many dollars too high Anyways good post 86 Money Pit--we have alot of complainers here....fine don't buy it. I'd rather see more 3rd gen specific parts come to market then NONE. Is the BBK perfect and for everyone? No Does it look like they have a design close the SR? Sure--doesn't bother me. FIRST is what $300 more? So you can buy a 5.3L in junkyward for $900--big deal. Its used---you need alot of parts and knoweledge to swap it over your self and you'd still have to buy some higher performance aftermarket stuff. TPI is the biggest choke point in my setup. I fail to see why the BBK won't open that up alot. |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit Summit is not going to stock it, it will be special order only. I just think they could have presented it a little better than just throwing it up on Summit's site with no info. They say call BBK if you want info, well we know how that works, no one there knows anything. Sad..very sad...... |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit so yah...this intake comes with rails? for 750 something dollars its just a intake:crazy:? ill just go HSR or someting:lmao: |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit Yep, HSR with TPiS Miniram EGR:nod: Bill |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit the BBK should be better than the stock intake. but the runners have no room to open them up more if you need to. i wonder how it compares with a ported stock intake with aftermarket runners. if it gets CARB certification, it may give the Cali guys an alternative. if they had priced it closer to $500.00, i would have given it serious consideration, but add a throttle body to the price and your at what a FIRST goes for. |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit First with TB/runners/base was on sale for 825 plus shipping in the recent GP. Bad *** TPI setup there for a great unbeatable price. Surprised not many people do that build |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit I think a base like the TPIS Big Mouth and Large tube runners will work as well and still keep the original look. I have already port matched the plenum to my siamesed runners if I open them up to match and install the TPIS Bigmouth manifold that should atleast help as much as the BBK setup. |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit
Originally Posted by avro206
(Post 3998505)
wheres this KEYWORD of yours? I am tired but I don't see it |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit its been proven on here many times if you siamese the runners, you'll get a higher rpm power band much similar to superram or up to a single plane depending on how much you port the runners. Shorter the runner the more rpm you can support So if you want superram/bbk type performance of that shorter runner, just siamese your runners. You'll have TPI look with BBK type performance or better if you siamese it more. To get more flow you'll have to port the base alot. There are threads on this to get near 300 cfm out of stock base, althought 250-260 will get you a ton of power n/a so you dont have to get too crazy |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit Whether its expensive or not, it still nice to see new parts being developed for TPI cars. When a company spends that kind of money developing a product for a design that hasn't been produced since 1992, its a good thing. These machines must be more popular than we thought. |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit
Originally Posted by Rumblin70SS
(Post 3999348)
These machines must be more popular than we thought. Dude that is an understatement. Do you know how many times I have folks tell me how much they loved the third gens. A whole lot. These cars are still popular, some still look great, just brouse this board. To me they are awesome. |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit
Originally Posted by 92BLKL98
(Post 4000888)
Dude that is an understatement. Do you know how many times I have folks tell me how much they loved the third gens. A whole lot. These cars are still popular, some still look great, just brouse this board. To me they are awesome. You also have to understand, BBK didn't make the manifold for fbody's. They made it for small block chevy's. There is a large market for hot rodders putting TPI engines in other cars, 30s fords for example. -- Joe |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit as for the bbk intake. when i was down at summit earlier this week they said they do plan to stock it but as of right now bbk has sent them no info on it other then when they think the 1st shipping date will be. after looking at the dyno numbers for the stock car they tested it on. it really doesn't make much more peak power then stock only 9 hp but i just keeps the power band up a little longer . is 9 hp worth 750 bucks dont really think so on a street car but thats just me . edit " i did a simulation in drag 2003 and it can knock a 2 tenths of a second off buy holding the power band a little longer and by lowering some of the un needed low end that just causes wheel spin anyway i guess is going from a 14.01 car down to a 13.9 car worth 750 im still not sure my self " instead of saying 50 more hp over stock when really its less then 10 really they should say 50 more hp above 5000 rpm. as for what i wish they would have done instead i just wish a company would produce the gm Siamesed runners from the 25th Anny cars that never came out. gm got 270 hp out of them 30 more then stock with just runners and heavily ported plenum to match there pretty much the same as what dyno don and Kevin 91 have done by modifying slps |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit :iagree: I see TPI setups on old hotrods around here all the time. Polished or chromed up and lookin pretty. |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit
Originally Posted by Azrael91966669
(Post 4001102)
as for the bbk intake. when i was down at summit earlier this week they said they do plan to stock it but as of right now bbk has sent them no info on it other then when they think the 1st shipping date will be. after looking at the dyno numbers for the stock car they tested it on. it really doesn't make much more peak power then stock only 9 hp but i just keeps the power band up a little longer . is 9 hp worth 750 bucks dont really think so on a street car but thats just me . edit " i did a simulation in drag 2003 and it can knock a 2 tenths of a second off buy holding the power band a little longer and by lowering some of the un needed low end that just causes wheel spin anyway i guess is going from a 14.01 car down to a 13.9 car worth 750 im still not sure my self " instead of saying 50 more hp over stock when really its less then 10 really they should say 50 more hp above 5000 rpm. as for what i wish they would have done instead i just wish a company would produce the gm Siamesed runners from the 25th Anny cars that never came out. gm got 270 hp out of them 30 more then stock with just runners and heavily ported plenum to match there pretty much the same as what dyno don and Kevin 91 have done by modifying slps |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit I know of three cars that make over 350rwhp with copies of the 25th anniversery runners. After this comming weekend we may be able to up that number. :) |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit my questions are: will there be any hood clearence problems? is there a fuel rail kit i can buy with the afpr? |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit Hell for $200 more I can just get a damn FIRST setup and stomp that thing. |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit
Originally Posted by Azrael91966669
(Post 4001102)
after looking at the dyno numbers for the stock car they tested it on. it really doesn't make much more peak power then stock only 9 hp but i just keeps the power band up a little longer While your points are certainly valid.....I can't imagine any one stupid enough to buy this and put it on stock engine. Stock TPIs have a small cam, so-so heads, cast iron exhaust manifolds ect. I have heads, cam, headers ect--the stock TPI is choking me. Modded cars will pick alot more then 9hp peak. This would apply to FIRST intake too. Or HSR....put high performance intake on stock L98 and it won't get alot. Right now my car shifts about 5300rpm....so it will benefit from a higher rpm flowing intake |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit does it use a stock TPI base? looks like a stock setup but just a diff short runner/plenum. just like the SR. and it looks like the angle is really radical to get into the runners from the plenum and doesnt look like it can be opened up alot as i stated on the 2nd post of this thread its ugly as sin but im sure they will sell a good bit of them just bc its new and looks better than trying to work a stock TPI. but untill i see specs it looks like nothing special. see if it flows like my HSR :) |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit Obviously, this intake is not designed for stock motors, but we always do our initial testing on cars that are as stock as possible to ensure that fitment will be correct. Now before I continue, I would like to make sure that everyone reading this understands the difference between PEAK dyno #'s and OFF-PEAK. If you don't know the difference, please ask so I can explain it. It's important to know the difference when looking at dyno #'s to get a full understanding of what the "real" gains are, which are usually in the OFF PEAK portion of the charts. OFF-PEAK PERFORMANCE- With the BBK intake, the engine did not struggle until 5,500 where I stopped the runs. From 3,500 RPM the BBK kept pulling as the stock unit dropped off. @ 5,000 RPM (which is the highest RPM I can compare the proto to the stock unit) there was a gain of 52 Ft-lbs, and 50 H.P. PEAK PERFORMANCE. I found that the PEAK H.P. was 9 H.P. greater while the peak TQ was down 16ft-lbs which is very typical for a short runner intake on a stock motor. On the very bottom end (1,500-2,500) I would expect that a STOCK engine could take a 15 -20 H.P./ 20 Ft-lb hit with this type of intake, where a built motor would be able to take advantage of the short(ish) runner design and make more power and torque than stock down in the low end. Clearly, a heads/cam, blower, or stroker motor would eliminate the low end loss and make even more mid range and top end gains than what is posted here, but again, this is the initial testing. Bryan |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit Why are you people trippin over the price? Alot of you has spent more than that buying a complete Super Ram set up for $1200, Mini Ram $1400, $1000 First set up and HSR $900 including throttle body and other parts to make it work. Oh yea I forgot those other set up needed throttle bodies too! That's another $300. So what is the big deal on the price? From what little information we had gotten it will at least out perform the Super Ram and maybe the HSR. Oh by the way, it uses the stock fuel rails and all other stock hardware. It also has provision for an EGR in the stock location. So if you dont have the resorces to weld up a manifold or simease SLP runners, and want to try and keep it smog legal well the may be the best way to go. Think about it! Most of us has spent more than $750 on the setups we have on our cars now. If you don't believe me, check your receipts or ask around. |
Re: bbk tpi intake for sale @ summit the issue with the price is they said 399 a few years ago and most of there other intakes are priced alot less unless they come with throttle body and in comparison the mustang intake they make is alot cheaper and cooler looking . i understand its cheaper then then mini ram and super ram with base. but really it cost the same as the super ram plenum and runners and the super ram makes more then 9 extra peak hp on a stock engine also edelbrock manifold/runner set up $720 and say 17 to 20 peak over stock i understand overall power band vs peak but if it only makes 9 extra over the "ultra restrictive" stock tpi unit that cant even let a stock 350 breath so id assume you would see alot more then 9 peak hp if the intake was really any good unless it also is choking a stock 350 down i mean the k@n cai on my lt1 wagon added 13 peak hp at the wheels and it doesn't cost 750 bucks dont get me wrong cause i like seeing new things come out for these cars but 750 bucks is still alot of money in my book and it doesn't seem like that much of a gain i guess stock tpi isnt that much of restriction in comparison |
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