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86 T/A Rust and drivetrain project 5 Attachment(s) Ok everybody this is my 86 Trans Am, its my first car I got when I was 16, I got it in October of '07 so almost 2 years, that year I drove it through Chicagos nice snowy cold winter (bad idea) Project log time, this is what Im dealing with rusted out floor pans but no worries I cut a almost brand new floor pan from a donor camaro, barely any surface rust. It took me about 45mins- 1hr to get all the interior out, easy as pie to do the easiest part of this whole project. Here are some pics of the project: Pass. side Attachment 425580 Attachment 425581 Drivers side isnt that bad Attachment 425582 Attachment 425583 Attachment 425584 I will be posting more pics after this weekend, I havent even gotten it in the garage yet...lol |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project It looks like the pass side is worse than the drivers side usually its the other way around cause of the exhaust. Yeah your best bet is with a donor car thats what I did with my old 91 cause I wasn't about to pay $200 a side for new pans. |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project Yup I got a nice floor pan from the firewall all the way back to the gas tank crease for $150, now its time to learn how to weld, good thing Im taking a class for it at school |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project how do you plan on doing it? i"m attemoting to do the same to my 87 iroc... |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project Well Im going to remove the engine/trans, drill out the spot welds do some cutting with the air grinder. Then prep every thing to be welded in. Im taking a welding class the end of the semester so its not a problem |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project good luck with that floorpan. im glad my camaro has no rust but, my monte ss floor is gonna need the same work as this one. hopefully you might teach me something post pics of progress!!! |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project I have a question. Have you gotten the old floorpan out of the donor car? If so how did you separate it from the rear subframe. I bought a donor car and had to leave that part because it was permanently attached. My passenger side is nearly perfect but I was able to get the front and middle but the back will take some fabrication. I would also check where the pan is welded to the rocker and up on the kick panel. There is always hidden rust there evenj on a car that doesnt look rusty. What part of Chicago do you live in? Maybe we could compare notes. Kevin |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project Im up in the NW suburbs, Palatine in other words. I had the guy take a torch gun to the sub frames since I didnt want to take anymore time to sawall the rest out, then used a hammer to beat the piss outta the rest of the body to take the whole thing out from the top, we could just drop it to the ground because the engine and trans were still in it + gasssss ( yes I hit a line, but thankfully no fire ) I'll take a pic of it in a couple mins and try to post it up. |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project Hey there. Looks like you've got some work to do. I actually grew up not too far from you. I used to go to church in Palatine. Small world huh? :) |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project lol yes it is, where u at now? |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project 2 Attachment(s) Donor car piece, don't worry the black spots are just insulation from the carpet I had fun with the propane torch with, I used a sesaline torch to cut parts of the pan though Attachment 424830 Attachment 424831 ^my car in the background |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project Man that looks good. I cut right through the subframe up front. I probably would have done the same in the rear but there was hidden rust so I just let it go. That pan looks pretty good. As I said I didnt need to do the passenger side. I did some welding tonight. Its not pretty but I am getting a little better. I am using a mig with gas. Just have to make sure the metal is clean. Kevin |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project Yes sir, dont weld the rust ...lol hit it and the heat will make the air bubbles in it POP |
Its in 2 Attachment(s) It officially has started, I got the TA in the garage tonight but only had time to take the hood off. Attachment 424679 Attachment 424680 |
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Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project 4 Attachment(s) Well I got alot done but forgot to take pics both times I was in the garage Engine removal tho: Attachment 424091 Attachment 424092 Attachment 424093 ^trans fluid went everywhere, pluggin it didnt work In the corner Attachment 424094 |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project 3 Attachment(s) More disassembly, and I forgot twice again to take the pics of the cut out pans, and Im right there every time Everything out Attachment 423964 Stupid wire loom Attachment 423965 Attachment 423966 I promise I'll get the pics of the floor tomorrow |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project Becarful when you open the doors once you have the floor cut out. Try to leave atleast one closed at all times. I've done floors in a few 3rd gens, took me two cars to learn this (both were t-top cars). I had both doors open when welding in the new pan, didn't have the car braced properly, and the car flexed to the point the doors needed severe alingment (though for some reason the t-tops fit back in fine still). Next time I do a t-top car, I plan on making a set of steel bars that will hold the place of the t-tops...hopefully prevent any unwanted flexing. When I do a floor now, I put the car on jack stands (under the axle and a-arms), and use bottle jacks under the subframe where it meets the pan. Along with some at each end of the car. I raise the jacks just enough to put a tiny bit of pressure on them. Hard top cars seem to be more forgiving, but I still don't take any more chances. |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project how did you fix the rocker arms toward the front fenders i wasnt expecting that but oh well, anyone? I need some help with this |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project Every one that I have done has been with a set of aftermarket pans, which extend to the inner rocker pannel. You can always make a patch pannel out of the metal you take out of your old floor (if you can find some still good). Or if you are talking about the area behind the front fenders (in your most recent picture), the I'd head back to the donor car if you can. I've been lucky in the the 8 I've done haven't needed that part of the firewall fixed (it's usually the area where the pan meets the firewall). |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project I know its been a while since you posted your question but I cut out a good rust free panel (from my donor car) and I am going to cut out the old and weld it in. I am still learning to weld. It dont look the best but I just grind it down and fill in the gaps. I am getting better. Kevin |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project 5 Attachment(s) Ok everyone after being long overdue for an update, alot of stuff has happened, cut out all the rest of the bad floor, cut the donor car piesces to fit, took the dash out, sand blasted the car/engine bay, and primered the engine bay, take a look. Attachment 422884 Attachment 422885 Attachment 422886 Attachment 422887 Preping for primer, 23 yrs or grime and brake fluid spills, and I used no bondo just lots of degreaser Attachment 422888 Done with priming, unsure of what I should do for the K-member |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project Well its been a while since an update, in this time I've been waiting for a freebie from a guy I know, he was going to weld my Floor pans in 3 weeks ago on black friday, but he hurt his back and is swamped with customers cars to work on, so I had my last straw with that and today I went and bought a Flux core welder from Harbor Frieght, so far its working awesome, and right now I'm taking a break because the fumes started getting to me. I'll get pics tonight of my amatuer work, I just started learning how to use a mig. I know how to use oxy-acetaline, and arc because I took a class at my college. So hopefully I can finish this tonight and start putting POR-15 and then by the end of tomorrow hopefully have the engine bay painted and get it in. I might just have this done by Christmas like I had originally planned. |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project
Originally Posted by firebird896
(Post 4298522)
Yup I got a nice floor pan from the firewall all the way back to the gas tank crease for $150, now its time to learn how to weld, good thing Im taking a class for it at school Nice, Also What School do you go to? Is it a Body repair school or do they have a course for it? I am wondering because I am interested in going well finding a school for body work. My friend who goes to UTI says that they dont offer body repair in the school thats here. Also as you see, Good to see another Chicago guy working on a third gen! This is the kind of work I am gonna be doing early next year. :totopic: Keep us updated! |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project
Originally Posted by Carlos773
(Post 4375698)
Nice, Also What School do you go to? Is it a Body repair school or do they have a course for it? I am wondering because I am interested in going well finding a school for body work. My friend who goes to UTI says that they dont offer body repair in the school thats here. Also as you see, Good to see another Chicago guy working on a third gen! This is the kind of work I am gonna be doing early next year. :totopic: Keep us updated! |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project Wow this thing is pissing me off, when I put the floor pans in I had em perfect but when I started welding I must have moved it one way so I didnt notice, now im under the car welding around the edges and I get to the sub frames, I knew I had to hit the edges up a little bit but I notices theres a good 1/4" between the new pan and the SF, I was beating the piss outta it to get it into shape, Now Im like S*** THis is my only hold up to get the por 15 started, anyone got any ideas on what to do? |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project Its a lot of work. Pics would help a lot. What you are doing would be helpful for others with this problem to see. Even though its stock, I am sure its not an exact fit. You will need to do some shaping and bending. Kevin |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project ya i got it, a friend of mine tacked the place while I stood on top a pushed down, ill get pics tonight if i remember to bring my camera back in |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project just sounds to me like the pan warped from welding it. good to hear you got it. |
Flr Pans 95% done 5 Attachment(s) Attachment 421674 ^Welding near gas lines...fun Attachment 421675 Attachment 421676 Attachment 421677 Attachment 421678 |
Goodies, (T5 swap) 4 Attachment(s) Attachment 421670 Attachment 421671 Attachment 421672 Attachment 421673 I can't wait till this think is done, Its going to be awesome to drive it the way I want it to be |
Por 15 is DONE!!!! 3 Attachment(s) Ok everyone I pulled a very long overnighter last night I was up until 4am finishing welding, which I still have to do some patch work in some places on, Then woke up today at 3:45pm and got back to it. I finished cleaning all the littile spots of excess glue and spatter from welding, all I have to say is Thank God all of that is over, I did every spot I could with the exception of places that need to be patched. Picture time: Attachment 421621 Attachment 421622 Attachment 421623 Ok everyone I am so pleased with how the engine bay came out Im wondering if I should leave it the way it is Does anyone second that?? |
Re: Por 15 is DONE!!!! 2 Attachment(s) Ok everyone I decided Im going to leave the engine bay as is. I put another coat on it tonight once it dries I will move onto changing the rear out to a 4th gen one Pix: Attachment 421551 I picked up thin rear for my 98 TA because I was under the impression it was the wrong one in the car, but it wasnt so I had this sitting in the garage for a while now. Its going in probably over the next few days, then I will put the engine in when the rear is finished, So close yet soooooooo far. Attachment 421552 |
Re: Por 15 is DONE!!!! Merry Christmas everyone, I didn't hit my goal like I wanted too but I still got till the end of the year, Have a safe and fun holiday |
Re: Por 15 is DONE!!!! Ok well I'm waiting for the Glossy topcoat to come in today so I thought I'd make up a tally sheet of how much the car has cost me overall for this resto Car .....................................$1200 engine, 350 upgraded internals, mild cam, intake, carb, starter ...........................................$freebie 2 t5 trans and swap pieces .....$275 donor car floor pans................$150 welder..................................$110 welding wire..........................$20 welding helmet.......................$45 Por-15 rust preventative..........$50 por-15 topcoat.......................$40 Headers................................$150 Carb fuel pressure regulator......$80 Total....................................$2120...so far Man hours....... F-ING priceless Thats all I can thing of as of now, I'll add more later |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project Nice work. I just pulled my interior to fix a rust hole I noticed only to find a couple other spots about to become holes. I guess I should have put the POR-15 on last year. :rolleyes: |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project Ya this stuff is awesome, I bought one quart, Half of that quart covered the floor pans(Top and Bottom), and the engine bay. I covered the engine bay twice now, and I put a coat of the gloss coat to the engine bay and it barely make a dent. Im going to coat it maybe one more time before dropping the engine in. The engine is 100% ready to go in, just need the fuel pressure regulator, and Im good to go, with getting everything finished up |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project 3 Attachment(s) Ok guys, Engines in and today Im going to be putting the trans in, everything is set, the only thing I need is the fuel pressue regulator from summit, and headers from jegs. Kinda exciting that Im almost done with everything (mechanically), Then all I have to worry about is getting the quarter panels patched up then paint, I will worry about the suspension when I get the money for coil overs and a lowering kit. Pics: BTW it was 10* below zero Attachment 421150 Attachment 421151 I cleaned up the trans because I had extra time to burn http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...k/P1021049.jpg Attachment 421152 |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project 2 Attachment(s) Trans install: Attachment 421126 Attachment 421127 I cant seem to get the t5 in the slot, so it is going to have to wait till tomorrow |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project your throwout bearing is backwards george. did you use a clutch alignment tool to make sure the clutch disk is aligned with the pilot bushing? thought i mentioned that yo9u would need that. you should be able to get one for $5-8 dollars at the parts store, buy it for an 84-92 f body with a v8, or by size, 26 spline 1 1/8 dia general motors... also when you try to insert the trans make sure its in a gear 4th or 5th is prolly best as the input shaft will have some resistance to turning to aid in your wiggling to get splines lined up ignore the arrows, this isnt really the pic i was looking for but it makes the point about the throwout bearing https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/atta...d-throwout.jpg |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project Looking good! It's always a nice feeling when things start coming together, isn't it?????:driving::driving::driving::driving: |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project
Originally Posted by firechicken_3
(Post 4388981)
your throwout bearing is backwards george. did you use a clutch alignment tool to make sure the clutch disk is aligned with the pilot bushing? thought i mentioned that yo9u would need that. you should be able to get one for $5-8 dollars at the parts store, buy it for an 84-92 f body with a v8, or by size, 26 spline 1 1/8 dia general motors... also when you try to insert the trans make sure its in a gear 4th or 5th is prolly best as the input shaft will have some resistance to turning to aid in your wiggling to get splines lined up ignore the arrows, this isnt really the pic i was looking for but it makes the point about the throwout bearing https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/atta...d-throwout.jpg
Originally Posted by RSTurbo2800
(Post 4388990)
Looking good! It's always a nice feeling when things start coming together, isn't it?????:driving::driving::driving::driving: |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project 5 Attachment(s) I ended up taking out the engine and putting the trans on that way, soo much easier than being under it, That alignment tool helped a ton, Now the next thing to do is wiring I am soooo excited ( NOT! ) Its going to be a nightmare, and Im betting wrenches will fly across the garage Attachment 421086 Attachment 421087 Attachment 421088 This might be a challange, hope the clearance is ok Attachment 421089 Couldnt resist Attachment 421090 |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project 2 Attachment(s) Best stuff in the world Attachment 421083 Sooo close Attachment 421084 I have to decide on a color, its going to be hard because I have 3 Ta One red, one black and one a mix of both, so it wouldnt work so well if I went to Viper Blue Metallic |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project well I dont have and update today because i had and insulation fire, I was welding on the other side of the firewasll doin patch work and an ember must have hit the insulation, i looked up and saw flames throught the windsheild, thank god the fire extinguisher was by the door on the other side of the garage. I am soo lucky that the only thing that was on fire was the insulation, none of the dash was touched I think just a big powder mess in the interior I did get dash in and did the wiring, but the only think I cant figure out is some random female connectors |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project
Originally Posted by firebird896
(Post 4393328)
I did get dash in and did the wiring, but the only think I cant figure out is some random female connectors |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project I know! I have no idea where any of the go, haynes isnt helping much |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project Do you have a shop manual? |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project No I dont think so, only a haynes manual, it doesnt show much of the wiring pics. I search TGO and theres just descritions not pics |
Re: 86 TA floor pan replacement, rust project Do you need specific parts of the wiring diagram or the whole thing? Let me know and I'll try and scan some pages of my 87 Camaro shop manual if I have time tomorrow. |
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