Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes he actually called me back a little over a week ago and discussed what I needed. He just gave me pricing a day or two ago. He acknowledges being busy and behind and apologized but I guess theres not much he can do about it. Other than that he seems OK |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes i did this conversion and it was the best thing i did on my car besides going from auto to a T5...ed was very helpful and shipped the items quickly...i guess he is a one man show ...i was patient, but most are not...and with reason i guess.... |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes All is well, I'm still catching up and the real job has ramped up again. We do what we can. I just got the SS Brembo rear caliper in so you can add that to the project list. Ed |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes Hi Ed, Sent you a PM regarding the 1LE prop valve. Thanks, Kevin |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes Do you know the part numbers for the rear disc brake parking brake cables that have the 9 bolt aussie rear? |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes
Originally Posted by paterra1
(Post 4691087)
Do you know the part numbers for the rear disc brake parking brake cables that have the 9 bolt aussie rear? http://www.flynbye.com/catalog/i199.html JamesC |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes Hey everyone. Im a bit upset, this is the 3rd time ive had to get brackets for my LT1 rear calipers. And a very long.. long, wait to get them. I see the hassle free ones, well mine arnt so hassle free, first set were black painted, very thick and nothing like what everyone is posted. I now have a pair that look similar to that of the pictures posted of the "hassle free" except that there is no third arm coming off from it. (where it connects to the flange on the axle). I look on the www.flynbye.com website and under third gen camaro, page 3 at the bottom of page, last one. That is what i have and they are labeled for a 9 bolt borg warner. I guess its a discontinued bracket, why is this?. Will these still work? I dont want a Freddie Flinstone special on my brakes, or any part of my car for that matter. I have told Ed the importance of this. I have an immense amount of time and work put into this car. I dont mean to come off in a bad way, however i am looking for perfection in every aspect of this build. If anyone has done this swap, i would image you would expect and want the same. So , if i can use these, which i wouldnt mind although upset they are not hassle free as i asked for. How would i go about setting these up? getting the right angle where holes should be drilled and tapped. In the hassle free they look like they are about 45 deg angle, i cant possibly get all 4 holes on the brakets i have to mesh against the axle flange at that angle .. Im not sure about this and would appreciate any help. Thanks |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes .. adding to my last post, these may be the right brackets, last page of the website they are listed for the 10 bolt as well and look to be very similar. But, i still am not sure of how they would be installed. Thanks |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes never mind.. yea there wrong brackets.. the dont sit nearly flush against the outer diameter of the axle.. they are bored out a lot larger of a whole.. now what? this is starting to really upset me |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes First off, what car to you have, what type rearend, and stock rear brakes do you have? Your sig is blank so please post up some info. The 9 and 10 bolt disc plates will look similar but the holes are spaced differently, the drum plates will work on either drum rear. Sorry for the questions but with all of them, I lose the specifics. Thanks! Ed |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes 2 Attachment(s) Its an 86' camaro with a stock 10 bolt rear end, that was originally a drum brake. With LT1 PBR rear calipers, and stock size LT1 rotors. I took some pictures that should explain whats going on. They should be added somewhere to this post. Thanks |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes You have disc plates in your hands there. You have a stock drum rear and need the drum plates that look like this: http://www.flynbye.com/sitebuilderco...DrumBPweb1.jpg This will fix your problem. The disc and drum rearends have different center bores and a couple other different dimensions. We'll get you hooked up. Ed |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes I need help with my conversion. I just bought a 91 z28 with a 12 bolt DTS rear end with drums and want to convert to disk brakes with the 4 ps rear calip. I just called the website and they said the car has a late ford torino rear end, 3/8 bolts/ 3.557/ 2", Ford 9in, and 2.5 whatever all that means. Im not a parts person. I just simply want to purchase what I need and have someone or myself do it. Any help would be great. |
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Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes Ed, just checkign back in with you. I have not heard back yet. I would like to get this kit from you. |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes May be contacting you in the future. very cool -:cool: |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes Just wanted to know if I can use Stock 4th gen caliper's and stock 4th gen rotors? would it work with this bracket? Thanks... |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes ??? anyone... Thanks |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes
Originally Posted by BLKIROCZ87
(Post 4948555)
Just wanted to know if I can use Stock 4th gen caliper's and stock 4th gen rotors? would it work with this bracket? Thanks... JamesC |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes
Originally Posted by JamesC
(Post 4958725)
Since 89-97 calipers and rotors are pretty much the same, I wouldn't know why not. JamesC |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes Are you still selling these if so where do you buy them and how much do they cost? I might help a friend do the conversion. Thanks.
Originally Posted by ebmiller88
(Post 4724938)
You have disc plates in your hands there. You have a stock drum rear and need the drum plates that look like this: http://www.flynbye.com/sitebuilderco...DrumBPweb1.jpg This will fix your problem. The disc and drum rearends have different center bores and a couple other different dimensions. We'll get you hooked up. Ed |
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Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes Ed...Here it is 4 years later, or 5 since you posted this story. First, are you still "in business" with these parts? Second, I have an 84 Z28 with the 3.73 posi, and I'd really like to keep it. I know it's weak, so I'd like to ask you a couple of questions about it before I sink my money into it. As I understand it, I can swap in the carrier from a 4th gen rear end right in, and even use my 3.73s. Is this right? This way, I could rebuild the rear end, upgrading it a little, along with maybe a girdle to firm it up a little more. Would that entail finding different splined axles? I know it isn't a 9", or 12 bolt, but it would be some better, I think, and it's lasted this long. I will be putting a rather stout small block in place of the tired 305 in there now, but won't be drag racing the car AT ALL. I will be beefing up the NWC T5 some as well. Anyway, can I do the stuff I've talked about on my rear end, and if you don't still make the "kit" can it be gotten anywhere else that you know of? Any help would be appreciated |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes Many of your questions will be answered below or in the Transmission and Drivetrain forum: https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tran...-10-bolts.html Here's the parts in questions: http://www.flynbye.com/catalog/i30.html JamesC |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes sorry to revive a dead tread but are these still avalible? |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes
Originally Posted by concorde01
(Post 5913085)
...are these still avalible? JamesC |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes EBMiller88, can you please send me a PM. I am interested in getting a kit going with you that I can purchase in the next month. Thank you! |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes
Originally Posted by Wolfheart
(Post 5956971)
EBMiller88, can you please send me a PM. I am interested in getting a kit going with you that I can purchase in the next month. Thank you! |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes please send me your prices and info too at muttracing@comcast.net |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes
Originally Posted by muttracing
(Post 5958795)
please send me your prices and info too at muttracing@comcast.net
Originally Posted by scooter
(Post 5957135)
Ed's Last Activity: 04-11-2011 09:54 AM. You won't be getting a reply any time soon. Go to his website http://flynbye.com/ |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes
Originally Posted by ebmiller88
(Post 3340846)
First off, sorry to all those I have yet to get back to. I am trying to catch up with PMs and e-mail as best I can. Please be patient and I'll get back to you. Now, as promised here's my thread on the hassle free rear disc conversion for drum rear cars. NO cutting or drilling or mods of any kind involved, just a couple of hours to do the swap. You'll need the brakes, basic hand tools, some penetrating oil, and that's about it. This swap is for 11.6"-12" rear PBR discs on virtually any drum rear F-body and I'm sure a few more cars out there, specifically S10s and B/G bodies with rear drums. I'll do my best to explain it all along the way. Get the rear in the air and start by removing the wheels and all the outer drum brake hardware and such, and remove the e-brake cables from the connector above the driveshaft. You'll also need to drain the differential fluid and pull the center pin out of the carrier so you can get the axles out. Here's the new backing plate next to the mod test axle, a stock 10 bolt open drum rear: http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...n/PIC00002.jpg Once all the drum brake stuff is off, loosen up the stock brake line as it goes into the wheel cylinder with a 12mm crowsfoot wrench. Soak it generously with penetrant before you start and it will come loose easily. You can pull the rear axle at this point and give the lube some time to work. http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...n/PIC00003.jpg Use an awl or an ice pick to remove the clip that holds the wheel cylinder to the backing plate http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...n/PIC00004.jpg Use a big breaker bar and a 21mm socket to remove the wheel cylinder bolt. It is ON THERE, it's a bear. Hold onto the other side of it with a large Crescent wrench or equivalent. http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...n/PIC00005.jpg Once the wheel cylinder is off, remove the lower two bolts holding the plate on with a 10mm wrench/socket http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...n/PIC00007.jpg Now you have the bare drum flange ready for the new plate. http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...n/PIC00008.jpg Slide the new backing plate onto the flange and install the large upper bolt and two lower bolts in place. (One of mine broke off and is not seen in the pic). Reinstall the axle and cover plate now, and refill the diff with new gear oil. This would also be a great time to replace the axle seals and check the bearings. http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...n/PIC00009.jpg Slide the new rotor on and bolt the caliper in place using the supplied bolts http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...n/PIC00010.jpg View from the backside: http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...n/PIC00011.jpg Top view. Rotor is slightly askew but is fine when tightened down right, I had the lug nuts loose. http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...n/PIC00012.jpg All in all a very easy swap to disc brakes and keep your stock rearend gears and not have to pull the whole rearend. I will have plates for discs ranging in size from stock 11.6" to custom 13" two piece rotors I will be offering soon. Again, all this is bolt on stuff with no mods required. You will also need to 1- modify and/or bend the stock drum axle brake lines to work with the new discs or 2- buy new disc axle brake lines which is what i recommend. Another thing to note. There is the possibility that the axle flanges on some axles will not sit flush against the inner face of one type of rear rotor used with these brakes. They have a larger outer diameter than the rotor has in inside diameter. If this is the case, there is another rotor that will work with these brakes, used on early LT1 4th gens and I can tell you what part to get should you have an issue. I'll post a pic of that rotor later in the week. Any questions, please e-mail me or PM me and I'll get back to you as soon as I can, sorry for any delays. Ed |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes 3 Attachment(s) I have the following pictures posted in a separate thread but I figured I may get more exposure.and help, here. I am in the middle of doing a drum/disc conversion on a 1991 car with a 10 bolt. I bought the Baer 13" rotors kit for the 93-97 Fbody as well as Eds hassle free backing plates for 13" rotors. The backing plates do not work. I do not have enough clearance between the plate and the rotor to get the caliper bolted in. I do not know what the issue is here but maybe someone else can chime in with options for me. I am currently getting feedback from a couple other members in my other thread. Thank you to those members. This is how close the rotor is to the backing plate. Lot less of a gap than whats in Eds pictures. Attachment 316269 Attachment 316270 This is the caliper I am using. These are NOS calipers from a 1992 Camaro. These look slightly different than what Ed used in his pictures. Not sure if this is an issue between 3rd gen and 4th gen calipers and abutment brackets. Attachment 316271 |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes Hi please send me details and costs on this kit |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes hello, just wondering if you still offer this conversion kit. thanks |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes
Originally Posted by BOTTLEDZ28
(Post 6109864)
I have the following pictures posted in a separate thread but I figured I may get more exposure.and help, here. I am in the middle of doing a drum/disc conversion on a 1991 car with a 10 bolt. I bought the Baer 13" rotors kit for the 93-97 Fbody as well as Eds hassle free backing plates for 13" rotors. The backing plates do not work. I do not have enough clearance between the plate and the rotor to get the caliper bolted in. I do not know what the issue is here but maybe someone else can chime in with options for me. I am currently getting feedback from a couple other members in my other thread. Thank you to those members. This is how close the rotor is to the backing plate. Lot less of a gap than whats in Eds pictures. Attachment 316269 Attachment 316270 This is the caliper I am using. These are NOS calipers from a 1992 Camaro. These look slightly different than what Ed used in his pictures. Not sure if this is an issue between 3rd gen and 4th gen calipers and abutment brackets. Attachment 316271 |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes Ed- Are you still selling the brackets to do a disk conversing on a 3rd gen? Steven |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes
Originally Posted by TTOP350
(Post 6202313)
I know this is a older post but I'm betting you have the wrong rotors on there. The rotor hat/offset is the problem. |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes hi could you pm me with price for the plates and a list of parts needed .im in uk so will sorce calipers etc in this contry as import charges and shipping a killer |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes Try http://www.flynbye.com/ Might take awhile to get a reply. |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes thanks drew thay got sum parts on thear ! |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes Can anyone tell me the what the 2 little "L" bracket things are in the kit? Post 221? ....haven't got to the rotors/calipers yet. I imagine when I do the answer will present itself, but figured I'd ask. |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes Check 232. Pic 1, where the brake lines come together. JamesC |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes Sweet. Thanks. ....I figured when I got the brakes I'd probably figure something out, but figured I'd ask!!!!!!! |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes
Originally Posted by ebmiller88
(Post 3340846)
First off, sorry to all those I have yet to get back to. I am trying to catch up with PMs and e-mail as best I can. Please be patient and I'll get back to you. Now, as promised here's my thread on the hassle free rear disc conversion for drum rear cars. NO cutting or drilling or mods of any kind involved, just a couple of hours to do the swap. You'll need the brakes, basic hand tools, some penetrating oil, and that's about it. This swap is for 11.6"-12" rear PBR discs on virtually any drum rear F-body and I'm sure a few more cars out there, specifically S10s and B/G bodies with rear drums. I'll do my best to explain it all along the way. Get the rear in the air and start by removing the wheels and all the outer drum brake hardware and such, and remove the e-brake cables from the connector above the driveshaft. You'll also need to drain the differential fluid and pull the center pin out of the carrier so you can get the axles out. Here's the new backing plate next to the mod test axle, a stock 10 bolt open drum rear: Attachment 447467 Once all the drum brake stuff is off, loosen up the stock brake line as it goes into the wheel cylinder with a 12mm crowsfoot wrench. Soak it generously with penetrant before you start and it will come loose easily. You can pull the rear axle at this point and give the lube some time to work. Attachment 447468 Use an awl or an ice pick to remove the clip that holds the wheel cylinder to the backing plate Attachment 447469 Use a big breaker bar and a 21mm socket to remove the wheel cylinder bolt. It is ON THERE, it's a bear. Hold onto the other side of it with a large Crescent wrench or equivalent. Attachment 447470 Once the wheel cylinder is off, remove the lower two bolts holding the plate on with a 10mm wrench/socket Attachment 447471 Now you have the bare drum flange ready for the new plate. Attachment 447472 Slide the new backing plate onto the flange and install the large upper bolt and two lower bolts in place. (One of mine broke off and is not seen in the pic). Reinstall the axle and cover plate now, and refill the diff with new gear oil. This would also be a great time to replace the axle seals and check the bearings. Attachment 447473 Slide the new rotor on and bolt the caliper in place using the supplied bolts Attachment 447474 View from the backside: Attachment 447475 Top view. Rotor is slightly askew but is fine when tightened down right, I had the lug nuts loose. Attachment 447476 All in all a very easy swap to disc brakes and keep your stock rearend gears and not have to pull the whole rearend. I will have plates for discs ranging in size from stock 11.6" to custom 13" two piece rotors I will be offering soon. Again, all this is bolt on stuff with no mods required. You will also need to 1- modify and/or bend the stock drum axle brake lines to work with the new discs or 2- buy new disc axle brake lines which is what i recommend. Another thing to note. There is the possibility that the axle flanges on some axles will not sit flush against the inner face of one type of rear rotor used with these brakes. They have a larger outer diameter than the rotor has in inside diameter. If this is the case, there is another rotor that will work with these brakes, used on early LT1 4th gens and I can tell you what part to get should you have an issue. I'll post a pic of that rotor later in the week. Any questions, please e-mail me or PM me and I'll get back to you as soon as I can, sorry for any delays. Ed |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes EB probably won't reply... He barely replies to emails thru his website and hasnt logged on the forum in nearly a decade. The 9-bolt drum rear is pretty unusual, most of the time if the car warranted the 9 bolt it got discs. Count your lucky stars because the discs in 85 sucked bawls. They sucked as much as any brake system has ever sucked before. For some reason I'm thinking the 9-bolt drum housing used the same flanges as the disc rear. Easy enough to verify, look at the back of your backing plates, if the flange is square its the disc pattern. Then you'd want to look for 89 only disc backing plates or an aftermarket upgrade for 9bolt disc rears. Or cobble some trash together and just bolt it on and put your faith in the chicken bones that your junkyard voodoo will save you from your car turning into a pile of flaming crumpled steel. |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes I actually spoke to Ed on the phone about two weeks ago since I am looking for replacement 12" rotors for my ebmiller kit. Seems one of my rotors has developed an ever so slight warp to it, as I can hear it scuffing/slicing slightly. Searched online for the Raybestos 12" rotor in the kit and no luck. couldn't find it. sent Ed an mail and also left a voicemail. HE called me back and we chatted, and he was going to look for a suitable 12" rotor replacement. This was like right when the USA was getting into the corona virus hype, so I haven't heard back from him yet. perhaps I will, but perhaps not. in the event I don't, anyone have a recommendation or part number for an actual 12" DRILLED, SLOTTED, ZINC WASHED rotor ? for performance braking (drag, autoX, short course road course use) |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes I want to do this conversion on my 87 drum brake car. What all do I need to get? I don't want to do any machining to the rotors. Should I get the disc brake calipers from a thirdgen or lt1 car? I want to keep my e-brake as well. I want to get as many parts as I can in Canada as shipping is expensive. Do I need caliper abutment brackets for this conversion or does the caliper bolt directly to the brackets he makes? I know he has the proper e-brake cables to use. Do I get the proper hard lines from him as well or do I reuse the originals? Sorry for all the questions, just hoping someone here who has done it can answer my questions. Thanks, Ryan |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes
Originally Posted by IROCZman15
(Post 6360081)
I actually spoke to Ed on the phone about two weeks ago since I am looking for replacement 12" rotors for my ebmiller kit. Seems one of my rotors has developed an ever so slight warp to it, as I can hear it scuffing/slicing slightly. Searched online for the Raybestos 12" rotor in the kit and no luck. couldn't find it. sent Ed an mail and also left a voicemail. HE called me back and we chatted, and he was going to look for a suitable 12" rotor replacement. This was like right when the USA was getting into the corona virus hype, so I haven't heard back from him yet. perhaps I will, but perhaps not. in the event I don't, anyone have a recommendation or part number for an actual 12" DRILLED, SLOTTED, ZINC WASHED rotor ? for performance braking (drag, autoX, short course road course use) |
Re: Hassle free drum rear disc conversion to 1LE/ LT1 PBR rear brakes yea, thats true, i could indeed try that. I did my best to check the rotor with a metal straight edge and I wasnt able to find a recognizable high spot, but when I had the rotor mounted on the axle and spun everything I can easily identify the spot where it "grabs" or "scuffs" so I can mark that area and try to hit it with a flap disc? I have no idea what a flywheel grinder is, and certainly I do not have one. |
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