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Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow
Originally Posted by redneckjoe
(Post 6068658)
do you have a link or a few pics? when i had my wheels/tires on, i could barely fit a finger between the control arm and tire. i'm always open to new ideas or ways of doing things. Is the passenger side panhard mount in the way of the tire? |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow
Originally Posted by //\\
(Post 6068726)
I'm not saying the control arm doesn't need work, my car is minutubbed and I has SPOHN build be a set of custom offset control arms to clear the wheel and tire. However the shock mount is still in the stock location and has plenty if clearance to everything. I know you shortened the axle a lot and now the brackets are un different places, but I don't see why you wouldn't be able to put a new mount on the axle for the shock and use to factory top mount hole. Is the passenger side panhard mount in the way of the tire? I think i might have seen pics of your control arms a while back? we're they black, square tube? IIRC, they came out real nice. yes, the panhard mount is going to get moved in also. i'll probably make my own adjustable bar? it doesnt look that complicated. |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow Just need some large LH and RH thread tap and dies |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 1 Attachment(s) heres a rough cut of what will be the shock mount area. some final cutting, trimming, tacking, test fitting, and i think it should be a go for finish welding. i'll be adding other bracing, etc., to beef everything up. Attachment 318435 |
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Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 2 Attachment(s) got the drivers side tacked in place, did some welding, and ran out of argon. i might just stick or mig the rest of it? but thought it might give an idea of how its coming along. slowly i must admit. :) Attachment 318235 from underneath. Attachment 318236 |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow It is coming along really well. You definitely have the skill to do this project! |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 1 Attachment(s) been a long time since i've updated this post or got much done. finish welded the drivers side upper shock mount, and tossed on some paint. Attachment 316227 then work, life, and laziness took over. |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 4 Attachment(s) decided to cut apart some of the floor to gain access for better welding to the control arm mounts. Attachment 316223 been so long that they got rusty, lol. Attachment 316224 welded in the top and bottom, then paint before closing the hole. Attachment 316225 some stitch welds and called it a day. Attachment 316226 looking forward to making some progress in the near future. bought a wheel tub kit from summit too. its collecting dust. |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow subscribed, keep up the good work. |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 2 Attachment(s) thank you. ran into a little snafu. i was going to move the sway bar mount in 4", but noticed the brake and fuel line bracket in the way. i think i'll wait til i get further along. maybe a good idea will come along? Attachment 316077 Attachment 316078 |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 2 Attachment(s) picture of the drivers side control arm temporarily installed. Attachment 316075 here you can see where i had to cut/notch an area in the subframe rail for the control arm to have clearance to move up and down. just cut and welded a piece of angle in. Attachment 316076 |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 2 Attachment(s) another shot of the difference from stock location. http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...pszxbn5djw.jpg added a little filler piece to the corogated inside frame part. i'll be bracing from there to the shock mount area before cutting the outside frame area. Attachment 316054 drilled a hole straight up from the center on the coilspring mount. this is where i plan to cut for the edge of the tub. the screwdriver is where the hole came through. Attachment 316055 |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow That's going to be a good sized tub, should have tons of room for tire. I may have missed it but are you moving the pan hard mounts? |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow yes, moving the mounts. the passenger mount is definetly in the way. heres the tub kit i bought. i've never tubbed a car, so this is all new to me. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-g7908 hoping to get some more time to work on it this week. unfortunatly an emergency job came up today,so i got nothing done on the 'maro. |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 3 Attachment(s) while not directly related to the tub job, i got a great deal on a used BMR adjustable arm. looks like an older design, and it needs cleaned up, cut and re-welded, but i thought it was a deal for $150. Attachment 315936 Attachment 315937 Attachment 315938 should make a nice addition? |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 3 Attachment(s) the point of no return. Attachment 315775 Attachment 315776 i will be doing a lot of reinforcing and box everything in before the tubs. did a quick test fit before cutting and the factory gas tank still fits. Attachment 315777 |
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Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 4 Attachment(s) i appreciate the inspiration Skinny. it helps! got thinking about really adding some strength to the coilover area. in the pics below the yellow pipes are getting cut out and the red getting put in. Attachment 315771 Attachment 315772 Attachment 315773 Attachment 315774 then i think i'll start boxing the frame back in? |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 2 Attachment(s) I'm feeling confident that it will have plenty of strength now. really thought oval pipe/tubing added a nice touch from the shock mount to the hoop area. went with a few different size pipes to break it up a bit. used a crappy flux-mig inside the frame rail since nobody will ever see it after its boxed. i'm going to add a few filler plates up top around the pipe. i'll TIG what can be seen. Attachment 315727 Attachment 315728 |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow How many times have you had to regrind your tungsten during this project? I imagine quite a few with the scratch start setup! Cool project! |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow thanks! yes, i've had to sharpen the tungsten MANY times unfortunetly. kinda frustrating. i bought 2 more pieces so i can change them when the tip gets bad, then sharpen them all at once. the machine isnt bad for thicker material, but tricky on thin stuff with no pedal, on/off switch, or high frequency start. kinda wish i would have bought a better machine, but this one has paid for itself a few times already with side work. |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 3 Attachment(s) just a little update as i've had some time to mess with it. ran into another issue, (remember i've never tubbed a car before). i put the inner tub in place and noticed the rear opening in the hatch area is flat, from about the center back. not easily seen in this pic. Attachment 315550 but in this pic you might be able to notice? the green line is the axle center line. Attachment 315551 really hi-tech drawing showing the issue in yellow. Attachment 315552 |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 4 Attachment(s) so i made a filler piece. it has a small radius at the back for the gas tank fill. Attachment 315546 then welded it in. now the outside lip of the tub will have somewhere to land. Attachment 315547 started adding some patch panels. rear area Attachment 315548 front Attachment 315549 |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 25 year exp welder. That explains how you got such beautiful welds from a cheap HF tig welder. I'm impressed. It just goes to show that the best equipment does not mean S*** if the operator has no experience. Great job. I think you should have run a bead where the axle tubes meet the center section, though. BTW, I got a call back from Auburn Gear today. I asked what was the weak link in a 7.5" rear, because I thought about upgrading to 28 spline axles. They told me that the weak link was the small side gears in the differential, and the small 10 tooth pinion (I have 4.10s). So, you already know this, but all of this work is only going to help explode your 10 bolt faster. Damn impressive fabrication skills, though. |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 1 Attachment(s) thank you. i sort of wish i would have run a bead around the axle tubes, but thought it might warp beyond control? i guess i still can. i'm in no hurry, just a project. i've been running 3.73 gear on a 2 series carrier. kinda hoping the thicker gear set will hold up better? as luck would have it, a buddy gave me a 9". it will need work of course. i guess i'll mess with that after the tub job is done? Attachment 315545 |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 4 Attachment(s) still plating/boxing the frame area in little by little. some areas i was able to weld on the back side also. i used a big piece of glass to true my cuts up before welding in any plates. not worried about pretty as the tub will cover most work. just want it strong and true. Attachment 315435 basically been cutting pieces of cardboard to fit, then transfer to sheetmetal when the pattern fits. Attachment 315436 Attachment 315437 so how wide of a tire can i ran after all this crazy work might be the question? i took this pic the other day looking straight down, from frame area to outside of wheel opening. Attachment 315438 |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow
Originally Posted by NoEmissions84TA
(Post 6121174)
25 year exp welder. That explains how you got such beautiful welds from a cheap HF tig welder. I'm impressed. It just goes to show that the best equipment does not mean S*** if the operator has no experience. Great job. I think you should have run a bead where the axle tubes meet the center section, though. BTW, I got a call back from Auburn Gear today. I asked what was the weak link in a 7.5" rear, because I thought about upgrading to 28 spline axles. They told me that the weak link was the small side gears in the differential, and the small 10 tooth pinion (I have 4.10s). So, you already know this, but all of this work is only going to help explode your 10 bolt faster. Damn impressive fabrication skills, though. |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow Good to know. Thanks. My 334 SBC will not exceed those numbers. |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 4 Attachment(s) finished boxing in the "frame". rolled a tire under to see what it looks like before putting the wheel tubs in. Attachment 315346 Attachment 315347 Attachment 315348 Attachment 315349 kinda hoping/planning on going with some sportsman pro tires that are 1" taller and 2" wider. wont know til i get everything together. |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow :goodjob: looking good! |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 4 Attachment(s) so i finally got a wheel tub temporarily mocked up after all this time. :) started by taping a few strings across from side to side. Attachment 315271 made another cardboard template, then transfered it to the metal after it fit. Attachment 315272 marked every 2" around the radius, then measured to the wheel opening and wrote every measurement down. Attachment 315273 another cardboard template to test fit. Attachment 315274 |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 3 Attachment(s) then one of my sons helped me with assembling the tub/pittsburgh seam. it had to go in from underneath. we set it in place for another test fit and i got a few pics. i've got to pull it back out for some minor trimming, but thought it looked ok. Attachment 315268 the gap pulls in tight. its just lightly sitting there. Attachment 315269 Attachment 315270 |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow Very nice work. Love the tub and frame work! |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow It's looking great. I'm anxiously awaiting your report on the Axle bearings when it gets on the road. I would love to be able to make a jig and weld axle tubes if yours lives happily. |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow Any update to your project ? |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 3 Attachment(s) No major updates. I am curious to see how the bearings do also and if it rides nice and smooth. i did some finish trimming on the tub. then bought some 3m, 5200 marine grade caulk for final install. if anybody else has used this stuff before, i'm sure they can testify how strong it is. i basically thru-bolted the tub it. Attachment 315180 Attachment 315181 Attachment 315182 |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow 2 Attachment(s) went back over all the seams. Attachment 315178 started brush painting the bare metal with some gloss black rustoleum since everything kept getting surface rust behind me. unfortunatly i used some old paint i had laying around and i think it looks horrible. i'll probably lightly sand it and put another coat on of a fresh can i bought. then move on to the other side. been very busy with other projects, life, work, etc, all the un-important, non-3rd gen related things. :) took a measurement from control arm to out side of body. kinda wish i would have took this measurement before i started to see how much i gained. Attachment 315179 |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow Back from the dead. Actually life happened and i had to move the camaro in the middle of all this work. |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow
Originally Posted by redneckjoe
(Post 6183669)
Back from the dead. Actually life happened and i had to move the camaro in the middle of all this work. |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow i was gonna add some pics but my photobucket account got locked for money. i'll figure out how to add pics again eventually. i have managed to pic up and assemble some parts in the past few months. went with a set of sportsman pro, 29x15.5x15's. they fit perfect. got an adjustable panhard bar. put a true trac in the rear with an aluminum cover with the carrier cap braces. have finished some welding on the passenger side. working on moving the sway bar mounts and narrowing the bar itself. got some different coilovers, etc. can't wait til its done. |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow
Originally Posted by redneckjoe
(Post 6184210)
...i'll figure out how to add pics again eventually. (Not sure what the point of the hosting service is anyway...) |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow yea, thats what my daughter suggested. i'm horrible at computer skills. guess i need to get some lessons. :) |
Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow Havent been on here in a long time, but wanted to follow up. I put a true-trac carrier in the 10-bolt. Its still going strong. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...6bef6dd993.jpg |
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Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow Put a lil 142 weiand supercharger on it. Its just a street car. Only go to the track like once a year. Personal best is a 7.2 in the 1/8 so far. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...267b613d4a.jpg |
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Re: sticking neck out/poor man's tub & narrow Thanks for looking & i hope this somehow helped somebody. If/when it breaks, i'll post back https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...1c8f9d7ccd.jpg |
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