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1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! I have a very close friend that has a car he obtained from Barkly Pontiac GMC in 1992. It is a red unbadged automatic L98 11,000 mile Pontiac Firebird. A doctor ordered this car as a Firehawk and backed out of buying the car. The car had been sent to SLP to be converted to a Hawk and the dealership decided to cancel the Firehawk upgrades. Im not sure how to determine if this car is one of those two 92 cars that this happened to. So I came here looking for info. He sent me pics of the RPO codes this evening. I really think this is gonna be one of those two cars that were canceled. Please let me know what info yall need to determine this. Thanks in advance. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! I believe that is the Firehawk known as #18, which was cancelled, built on 2/14/92 I don't know how much more info I have on it, but perhaps a few other knowledgeable members do and can add more. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! Awesome thanks for your response. From what I see the #18 car showed a valid VIN. Car #23 shows invalid. It also says that #23 is believed to be Black. I just am not sure how to pinpoint this exact car. Maybe someone will know! |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! Im gonna do like everyone else and say it…..What is this car gonna be worth? I know and understand the desirability and rarity are two different things. Once its pinpointed as one of the two canceled HAWKS I would think it would be kind of a big deal. Im being partial though. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! It is known that #18 had a Van Nuys build day of 2/14/92, which is the same build date of your VIN. So that tells me there's a very good likelihood it's the same car. What type of information are you looking for? It has the B4U code. If the VIN of the SPID sticker matches the VIN on the car, it would appear to be legitimate. Keep in mind GM dropped the VIN tags that was on the body panels, which was previously done for theft reasons, so that leaves the usual VIN places. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! Why would this car be worth more than a regular low mileage Bird? it didn’t receive the Firehawk treatment so all it has is a cool story & low miles. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by battmann
(Post 6474805)
Why would this car be worth more than a regular low mileage Bird? it didn’t receive the Firehawk treatment so all it has is a cool story & low miles. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! Well, this is also a 1LE car as well, so pretty rare to begin with. Is he planning on selling? Do you have any pics of the car? |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! I am going to be very blunt here... how the heck can the car have added value because it was ALMOST a Firehawk? This isn't playing with hand grenades or horse shoes here. Now don't get me wrong, it's a very desirable car for many other reasons, but it's not "one of the Firehawk cars". |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by 86blackiroc
(Post 6474821)
I am going to be very blunt here... how the heck can the car have added value because it was ALMOST a Firehawk? This isn't playing with hand grenades or horse shoes here. Now don't get me wrong, it's a very desirable car for many other reasons, but it's not "one of the Firehawk cars". Your bluntness is not gonna hurt my feelings so feel free. Im a big boy. Ima say it again. The car is as rare as they come. I mean a sticker under the door and a Manual trans and a number plate aint changing much in value here I wouldnt think. The main reason for my creating the thread is to highlight the fact that I have found (I believe) one of the missing Firehawk cars on the list. They are almost ALL accounted for except for this one and maybe 1 other one. To enthusiast I just kind of thought this would be a big deal. I mean Ive seen post where guys are trying to own a picture of all 27 cars. Well heres #18 on the list possibly. Whether its their favorite one Im not real concerned but its on the list of only 27 cars and nobody has seen or even knew where it was. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by jkris53406
(Post 6474817)
Well, this is also a 1LE car as well, so pretty rare to begin with. Is he planning on selling? Do you have any pics of the car? |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! My '89 V6 was almost a Turbo Trans Am. That's why it's worth so much. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! The value of anything is whatever someone else pays for it. Since the owner isn't selling, it doesn’t matter. I will note that if this is one of the 2 canceled Firehawks then it's a neat piece of history. They get talked about almost every time the Firehawk numbers come up. Since it was ordered and canceled, it made it's way to part of the story. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by aliceempire
(Post 6474831)
The value of anything is whatever someone else pays for it. Since the owner isn't selling, it doesn’t matter. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by QwkTrip
(Post 6474829)
My '89 V6 was almost a Turbo Trans Am. That's why it's worth so much. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by aliceempire
(Post 6474831)
The value of anything is whatever someone else pays for it. Since the owner isn't selling, it doesn’t matter. I will note that if this is one of the 2 canceled Firehawks then it's a neat piece of history. They get talked about almost every time the Firehawk numbers come up. Since it was ordered and canceled, it made it's way to part of the story. Im guessing if the car had a big value to it it could possibly matter. I said I doubted that he would sell it but Im not 100% sure if he would or would not. I guess it’s according to how much one would be willing to pay for it. The cool factor of it being one of two canceled is pretty awesome in my eyes. I did go over the RPO codes in the car and on the #18 car and they are exactly the same. Im more confident now that this is #18. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! This car has cool story factor. It is a car built by Pontiac to SLP specs (B4U) to become a SLP Firehawk that never happened. It's still a factory debadged Firebird Formula L98 1LE/G92 car with C60 air conditioning. Not many 1LE/C60 cars running around. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by 86blackiroc
(Post 6474821)
I am going to be very blunt here... how the heck can the car have added value because it was ALMOST a Firehawk? This isn't playing with hand grenades or horse shoes here. Now don't get me wrong, it's a very desirable car for many other reasons, but it's not "one of the Firehawk cars". I would think any added value would not be significant and other factors of the car (condition,mileage, options that the car does have) are likely much more part of the car's value. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by JT
(Post 6474858)
The fact that this car has the GM RPO code but not the equipment, and likely paperwork to support the car was sold without the upgrade, is unusual. The cars that may have gotten out of the factory with the wrong equipment against the RPO are not visible or documented like this. Those in the know will know this car and its place in the group. It is unusual and has a story and some put value on that and not just performance. I would think any added value would not be significant and other factors of the car (condition,mileage, options that the car does have) are likely much more part of the car's value. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! Have any of you ever laid eyes on or seen a pic of the Black car like this one? I know this red car has no pics floating around public forums but I wasnt sure about the black one. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! Sadly, if you venture as far as even getting off this particular subforum of TGO, you'll find people generally aren't all that interested in the cars that actually became Firehawks, much less one that never got the upgrades. I'd consider the story and documentation to be a nice bonus to collecting the car, but I can't see it adding value. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by Drew
(Post 6474874)
Sadly, if you venture as far as even getting off this particular subforum of TGO, you'll find people generally aren't all that interested in the cars that actually became Firehawks, much less one that never got the upgrades. I'd consider the story and documentation to be a nice bonus to collecting the car, but I can't see it adding value. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by Ulukslo
(Post 6474878)
Well I made ONE only ONE phone call to an enthusiast. I have to say I do believe your wrong. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by Ulukslo
(Post 6474878)
I have to say I do believe your wrong. I think you've found interesting trivia, of the sort that would bore all but 1 in a million people. Sorry. :2cents: |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! According to info I have on vin 212795 (Robert Casey's book) , this is car #19 and it was converted. I am checking other sources to be sure Need more pictures |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by TTOP350
(Post 6474903)
Need more pictures |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by Drew
(Post 6474899)
Yeah, you're not alone. Everyone who comes here and thinks they've found the next big Barret-Jackson thing in a suspicious RPO code, tends to think everyone on the forum is wrong. You might be on to something... but it's probably nothing. It'd take the right person to get very excited about almost being a Firehawk. You might be that person, the only person, that thinks it's fantastic. I think you've found interesting trivia, of the sort that would bore all but 1 in a million people. Sorry. :2cents: So give me a dollar amount on what you think the car is worth with 11,600 miles in mint condition. Your opinion! |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by TTOP350
(Post 6474903)
According to info I have on vin 212795 (Robert Casey's book) , this is car #19 and it was converted. I am checking other sources to be sure Need more pictures The GM dates don't match for #19, but do for #18. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by JT
(Post 6474908)
The GM dates don't match for #19, but do for #18. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by TTOP350
(Post 6474912)
And that's why I'm asking a few others about it. I'm betting the info in the book has been mixed up somehow This shows it number #18, based on the dates: http://www.firehawkregistry.com/car/6877.html There are a few that don't match the book, but others do. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by TTOP350
(Post 6474903)
According to info I have on vin 212795 (Robert Casey's book) , this is car #19 and it was converted. I am checking other sources to be sure Need more pictures |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! Look at it this way, its got the elusive Firehawk delete option! |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by JT
(Post 6474914)
I didn't know they were in the book, it could go either way. This shows it number #18, based on the dates: http://www.firehawkregistry.com/car/6877.html There are a few that don't match the book, but others do. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by TTOP350
(Post 6474954)
Confirmed it 100% today, the book has a couple VIN numbers swapped. This car is indeed #18. If you have extra information to make corrections to the book, would you post them? |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by TTOP350
(Post 6474954)
Confirmed it 100% today, the book has a couple VIN numbers swapped. This car is indeed #18. THIS is great stuff!!! Thank y'all so much for helping!! Keep the info coming. As a 16 year old kid working at a gas station there was a local man named Bob Bolen that had a true 92 Firehawk. That got me to loving the cars. Would love to know where his car went. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by Ulukslo
(Post 6474907)
So give me a dollar amount on what you think the car is worth with 11,600 miles in mint condition. Your opinion! |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by Drew
(Post 6475001)
I'd say it's worth exactly the same as any other 92 Formula with the same miles, and same options, but without B4U on the SPID. It's a code for an option the car doesn't have, thus there's no increase in value. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! Would be nice to see pics of this car. Cool story, but when all I see is a pic of the RPO, speedometer and a blurry "performance suspension" its hard to get excited about this, just my opinion. I know you said it was hard to access the car, but someone got these pics you posted? INMHO without pics of this car does this thread really exist or should it be "canceled"! :burnout: |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by vinny R
(Post 6475017)
Would be nice to see pics of this car. Cool story, but when all I see is a pic of the RPO, speedometer and a blurry "performance suspension" its hard to get excited about this, just my opinion. I know you said it was hard to access the car, but someone got these pics you posted? INMHO without pics of this car does this thread really exist or should it be "canceled"! :burnout: |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by Drew
(Post 6475001)
I'd say it's worth exactly the same as any other 92 Formula with the same miles, and same options, but without B4U on the SPID. It's a code for an option the car doesn't have, thus there's no increase in value. This ^^^^. +1 I know of a couple of RPO B2K Corvettes which were never converted. They, as non-converted cars, got all the "prep" on the assembly line, but nothing from Old Lyme. An 88 and a 90 come to mind, as examples. Neat cars, but nothing spectacular. Same could be said for the unconverted 1989 Corvette Challenge cars. RPO cars for a race series, but never got the gear. What are they worth? Market shows, same as any other nice 1989 manual car. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by Big&BadGTA
(Post 6475094)
This ^^^^. +1 I know of a couple of RPO B2K Corvettes which were never converted. They, as non-converted cars, got all the "prep" on the assembly line, but nothing from Old Lyme. An 88 and a 90 come to mind, as examples. Neat cars, but nothing spectacular. Same could be said for the unconverted 1989 Corvette Challenge cars. RPO cars for a race series, but never got the gear. What are they worth? Market shows, same as any other nice 1989 manual car. Thanks for your opinion! The car is not for sale though so we probably will never know. I do however know for a fact it will bring way more than a normal Formula like it. Therefore it’s definitely worth more than a nice low miles Formula. I do know this. My buddy owns an 11,000 mile Pontiac thats listed as a Firehawk and a 1LE car. Not many on here even have a car thats on the Firehawk list. Probably also the ONLY 1LE RPO car thats not a Firehawk like yall say and has an AC. Theres a thousand ways to look at it if I wanted to be picky about it and break it down but the car is gonna get some good insurance and some TLC and Ill get yall some good pics that zero of you have. Thats 100% a fact. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by Ulukslo
(Post 6475045)
Geez what a cry baby. Are we adults here or just a sissy. Get some patience or if you wanna get it deleted then do so. I mean hopefully your joking but if not….delete the thread. I really expected MORE from an adult on the rarest numbered Firehawk that you had zero clue even existed. Grow up. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by Ulukslo
(Post 6475097)
Thanks for your opinion! The car is not for sale though so we probably will never know. I do however know for a fact it will bring way more than a normal Formula like it. Therefore it’s definitely worth more than a nice low miles Formula. I do know this. My buddy owns an 11,000 mile Pontiac thats listed as a Firehawk and a 1LE car. Not many on here even have a car thats on the Firehawk list. Probably also the ONLY 1LE RPO car thats not a Firehawk like yall say and has an AC. Theres a thousand ways to look at it if I wanted to be picky about it and break it down but the car is gonna get some good insurance and some TLC and Ill get yall some good pics that zero of you have. Thats 100% a fact. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! This thread has so much potential to hit "clay bar residue" levels of epic absurdity. OP is so sure about hypothetical outcomes, that it would take very little for this thread to blow up. I'm calling it, I predict total thread implosion (self-immolation) within 7 days. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by Che70velle
(Post 6475104)
You came here asking for the forum members to value the car, which is impossible without lots of detailed pics. So I ask you, what do you think it’s worth? Honest question. |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! Its a regular formula. Without detailed pics, I am guessing $25k max |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car!
Originally Posted by topduarte
(Post 6475155)
Its a regular formula. Without detailed pics, I am guessing $25k max |
Re: 1992 B4U Firehawk!!?? 11k miles. Need help identifying this car! Are there any actual Third Gen Firehawk owners on here? |
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