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2slow5.0 01-25-2019 07:03 PM

Dropping compression. New pistons or heads
 
Currently running 10.2:1 on a 358 with a set of trimmed down fast burns. 60cc chamber. Id like to get down to 9.5:1 or under for some forced air. What cc chamber would put me there or should i just swap slugs? Currendly running ross forged pistons. A head swap needs to be a raised port for a 1206 intake gasket to match my intake

NoEmissions84TA 01-25-2019 08:12 PM

Re: Dropping compression. New pistons or heads
 
An 8cc chamber increase will drop your CR by .81.

2slow5.0 01-25-2019 08:43 PM

Re: Dropping compression. New pistons or heads
 

Originally Posted by NoEmissions84TA (Post 6277366)
An 8cc chamber increase will drop your CR by .81.

So going to a 65cc chamber with I think a .010 thicker gasket should get me close to where I think I should be? I'm unsure of the adverse effects of running a thicker gasket, or if my math is correct??

Thanks for the input

NoEmissions84TA 01-26-2019 05:57 PM

Re: Dropping compression. New pistons or heads
 
You're welcome. I don't know how thick your head gasket is now, but you should try to keep the quench close to .040".

skinny z 01-27-2019 11:11 AM

Re: Dropping compression. New pistons or heads
 
As an example:
4.04 x 3.48
60 cc head
5 cc piston
.040 x 4.100 gasket
.025 piston below deck
Result is a CR of 10.26:1
A 64 cc head nets 9.8
A 60 cc head with a .060 gasket nets 9.78:1
The input values are a best guess but typical SBC. Verify your piston valve relief/dome/dish volume. Going from 5 cc (2 valve reliefs) to 9 cc (which I haven't come across) drops the CR to 9.8

Orr89RocZ 01-27-2019 11:21 AM

Re: Dropping compression. New pistons or heads
 
How much boost and what kind of poweradder?

low boost i’d send it as is at 10:1. I would try thicker gasket first. Ease up on tune, keep engine cool and good intercooling

High boost throw c16 in it or e85

2slow5.0 01-27-2019 11:29 AM

Re: Dropping compression. New pistons or heads
 
Gootta go back to my build sheet from a few years ago. Im pretty sure it was a.028 head gasket. I was thinkin of throwin some new afr's on whick would gain me 5cc oin the chamber. Ithimk at least 10psi intercooled. Id prefer not to swap pistons. But i will need be. Tryin to stay at 93 octane. E85 not too common around here.

2slow5.0 01-27-2019 11:30 AM

Re: Dropping compression. New pistons or heads
 

Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ (Post 6277898)
How much boost and what kind of poweradder?

low boost i’d send it as is at 10:1. I would try thicker gasket first. Ease up on tune, keep engine cool and good intercooling

High boost throw c16 in it or e85

Cog drive vortech. Intercooled

skinny z 01-27-2019 11:40 AM

Re: Dropping compression. New pistons or heads
 

Originally Posted by 2slow5.0 (Post 6277903)
Gotta go back to my build sheet from a few years ago. I'm pretty sure it was a.028 head gasket. .

It'd be tough to hit only 10.2:1 with a .028" gasket / 60 cc chamber all else being equal and standard SBC. Before you get too far you'll want to verify the values. With the above data listed a .028 gasket gets you over 10.6:1. Change the valve relief volume to 7 cc and a .028 gasket nets 10.3.
But like I said, there are too many variables to just guess. And I'm even guessing on the bore and stroke.

2slow5.0 01-27-2019 11:58 AM

Re: Dropping compression. New pistons or heads
 

Originally Posted by skinny z (Post 6277906)
It'd be tough to hit only 10.2:1 with a .028" gasket / 60 cc chamber all else being equal and standard SBC. Before you get too far you'll want to verify the values. With the above data listed a .028 gasket gets you over 10.6:1. Change the valve relief volume to 7 cc and a .028 gasket nets 10.3.
But like I said, there are too many variables to just guess. And I'm even guessing on the bore and stroke.

Yea. Why im tryin to find the build sheet. Its an oddball shortblock. 3.50 stroke, 5.85 rod and a 4.040 bore. I had to have the pistons made back when originally pieced together. But unfortunately Ross doesnt have the record. I do remember cc-ing the heads and calculating the 10.2:1 with Ross. I know the build sheet is here somewhere.

2slow5.0 01-27-2019 12:00 PM

Re: Dropping compression. New pistons or heads
 
On a ebl flash I never had any detonation issues on 93. Even goofin up and runnin too much timing at first

Orr89RocZ 01-27-2019 01:14 PM

Re: Dropping compression. New pistons or heads
 
If its 10.2 on a .028 gasket then go with a .040-.051 and let it eat. Not even concerned with 10 psi intercooled

2slow5.0 01-27-2019 01:31 PM

Re: Dropping compression. New pistons or heads
 

Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ (Post 6277929)
If its 10.2 on a .028 gasket then go with a .040-.051 and let it eat. Not even concerned with 10 psi intercooled

I've deffinetly gotta dig in and see exactly what I got. I figured it could be a good excuse to upgrade the heads/ cam
Id prefer to not tear the bottom end apart if possible


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