305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen it may be vague but in stock form how would a race between a thirdgen with a 305 and a v6 fourthgen go? who and by how many lengths? |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen It's hard to say. What kind of 305? TPI? TBI? Also, what v6 is in the 4th gen? I know I didn't help much, but there are a ton of factors. If it's a LG4 vs a 2002 V6 for example, the v6 is going to take it. If its a 305 TPI vs a 1994 v6, then I would go 305. |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen thats were the vague part came in lol i should probably just research the hp ratings it was just something i was wondering. thanks for the reply |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by xbox07
(Post 3957573)
thats were the vague part came in lol i should probably just research the hp ratings it was just something i was wondering. thanks for the reply |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen I think you have him off the line with the amount of torque you have, but top end I think he will get you. |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen Again, what 305 motor????? |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by 8T9 BANDIT
(Post 3958006)
Again, what 305 motor????? :iagree: |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen Some 305s (mine for example) put out more HP (225 hp) than the 3.8 liter fourth gen motors (200 hp). I believe my car (@ 3434 lbs. I weighed it) wieghs less than a fourth gen 3.8 car as well, so it all depends on what years we're speaking of... |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen i agree that we need to know what specs are of each car. If the 4th gen is 93-95.5 you will most likely win regardless of what kind of 305 you have. those 4th gens came with the 3.4L and they were crap stock. 95.5+ recieved the 3.8L. They are strong motors. I had 3 4th gen v6s and they all used to beat 305s carbed and TBI all the time. TPI gave me a run for my money but i still managed to get those in the long run too. Basically if you are stock, at best you will have a tight race that 8 out of 10 times the win will go the that v6...unless it has the 3.4L |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by CJG1987
(Post 3958204)
i agree that we need to know what specs are of each car. If the 4th gen is 93-95.5 you will most likely win regardless of what kind of 305 you have. those 4th gens came with the 3.4L and they were crap stock. 95.5+ recieved the 3.8L. They are strong motors. I had 3 4th gen v6s and they all used to beat 305s carbed and TBI all the time. TPI gave me a run for my money but i still managed to get those in the long run too. Basically if you are stock, at best you will have a tight race that 8 out of 10 times the win will go the that v6...unless it has the 3.4L |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by CJG1987
(Post 3958204)
i agree that we need to know what specs are of each car. If the 4th gen is 93-95.5 you will most likely win regardless of what kind of 305 you have. those 4th gens came with the 3.4L and they were crap stock. 95.5+ recieved the 3.8L. They are strong motors. I had 3 4th gen v6s and they all used to beat 305s carbed and TBI all the time. TPI gave me a run for my money but i still managed to get those in the long run too. Basically if you are stock, at best you will have a tight race that 8 out of 10 times the win will go the that v6...unless it has the 3.4L 7.4 0-60 and a 15.7 second (@88.5 mph) Q-M http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/.../features.html Typical TPI 305 cars were a bit quicker than that: HPP magazine tested an '89 model Firebird Formula w/ 225 hp. TPI 305 5 speed: 0-60 in 6.5 seconds and a 15.02 Q-M time (@92 mph). |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen If equipped right, a V6(3800) 5spd and excellent driving, could sneak into the high 14's. Most were mid 15's. A4 cars were mid to high 15's. So it would be a good match up to a 305, even a TPI. |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen I've raced a few 3.4's and 3.8's in the past and the 3.8's definately gave me a run for my money but I still came out on top. I had a friend who had one back in 2000 (3.8) with a few mods and that thing would dip. I wouldn't mind having one as a DD. |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen I own a 1998 3.8 with an aftermarket airlid, SLP under the airbox ram air scoop, K+N filter, and B+B Triflow mandrel stainless steel exhaust, 5-speed, 3.23 rearend as my daily driver. I figure this puts me at about 225 HP and 250 ft/ibs at the flywheel. Pretty stout for a V6 of that year. I also own a 1992 Z28 305 TPI G92 5-speed, 3.42 limited slip rearend, with a gutted airbox, K+N filters, Borla Catback and a Hypertech chip. The 305 TPI is likely in the range of 245 HP and 320 ft/lbs at the flywheel. Both cars are in excellent mechanical condition. I give the edge to the 1992 305 TPI. Off the line the torque advantage is markedly felt and the 1992 just pulls stronger throughout the RPM range until 4500 rpm. On a side note I get up to 34 mpg on the highway in the 1998. |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by nightwatch
(Post 3960971)
I own a 1998 3.8 with an aftermarket airlid, SLP under the airbox ram air scoop, K+N filter, and B+B Triflow mandrel stainless steel exhaust, 5-speed, 3.23 rearend as my daily driver. I figure this puts me at about 225 HP and 250 ft/ibs at the flywheel. Pretty stout for a V6 of that year. I also own a 1992 Z28 305 TPI G92 5-speed, 3.42 limited slip rearend, with a gutted airbox, K+N filters, Borla Catback and a Hypertech chip. The 305 TPI is likely in the range of 245 HP and 320 ft/lbs at the flywheel. Both cars are in excellent mechanical condition. I give the edge to the 1992 305 TPI. Off the line the torque advantage is markedly felt and the 1992 just pulls stronger throughout the RPM range until 4500 rpm. On a side note I get up to 34 mpg on the highway in the 1998. my 305 tpi pulled hard all the way to 5000...then it shifted |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen LG4 - low 16s L03 - high 15s LB9 auto - low 15s LB9 stick - high 14s 3.4L 4thgen - low 16s 3.8L 4thgen - low 15s |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen i have a 305 tbi pretty much bolt ons and smoked a 93-97 3.8L firebird(catback) |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by blkfirebird91
(Post 4037713)
i have a 305 tbi pretty much bolt ons and smoked a 93-97 3.8L firebird(catback) |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by xbox07
(Post 4037720)
nice |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by blkfirebird91
(Post 4037860)
did u race the v6 yet or no because they are cake:lmao: people say they run 14's they dont:bs:. i ran high 15-16.0 and like i said i beat that one kids :) |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by blkfirebird91
(Post 4037713)
i have a 305 tbi pretty much bolt ons and smoked a 93-97 3.8L firebird(catback) |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by Rayvan
(Post 3958200)
Some 305s (mine for example) put out more HP (225 hp) than the 3.8 liter fourth gen motors (200 hp). I believe my car (@ 3434 lbs. I weighed it) wieghs less than a fourth gen 3.8 car as well, so it all depends on what years we're speaking of... |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by fly89gta
(Post 4037909)
How do you know it was a 3.8 if was an earlier 4thgen? Chances are it was a 3.4. |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen I would've been embarrassed too if I were him, lol. |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen Its always funnier and more fun smoking someone when they have their gf in the car haha. |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by 90/81camaro
(Post 4039100)
Its always funnier and more fun smoking someone when they have their gf in the car haha. |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by blkfirebird91
(Post 4039142)
it was because they both were looking at me when we came to the light then he nodded i was like piece man. |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen lol he knw he would lose |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by 90/81camaro
(Post 4039100)
Its always funnier and more fun smoking someone when they have their gf in the car haha. last year.....i had only one defeat....an LS1 camaro m6 packing No2:idiot: a lot of cars around here are running high 18's to low 14's on the street :lmao: |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen h8r, you're lucky. most of the guys here in South Dakota are running low 13's all the way down to basement 7's the Honda's even are getting down there in times too |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by auto-x1990RS
(Post 4039795)
h8r, you're lucky. most of the guys here in South Dakota are running low 13's all the way down to basement 7's the Honda's even are getting down there in times too most of the cars local are riced out pos's.....and we also got v8 s10's and rangers that give a bad name to themselves for running 15's LOL this year should be better for me.....a 327 TPI while having a 10 lb bottle in rear hatch:nod::nod::nod::nod: |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by Toyota h8r
(Post 4039769)
i usually dont street race in my 3rd gen...but if i see a cocky prick with his girl in the car....time to bring the pain. last year.....i had only one defeat....an LS1 camaro m6 packing No2:idiot: a lot of cars around here are running high 18's to low 14's on the street :lmao: |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by xbox07
(Post 4040635)
Yeah i usually mind my own business until someone starts messing around, or i catch an attempted flyby from a 18 second shopping cart with a coffee can hanging off lol |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen Well I had the pleasure to run with a 3.4 v6 fourth gen the other night, I am in a 305 TBI with mild mods and it wasnt really close. Granted we were on wet roads so it was a matter of who had traction first but if he hooked up before I did I was passing him in third gear once I got rolling. My car is a stick his was automatic not sure if that played into it too much but 1st gear was literally useless for me... |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen i've got another thought for a race, stock 77 trans am vs a stock 2001 v6 camaro (3.8). My friends cars, the camaro has like 200hp as far as i know, and the trans am has somewhere around 200 i think and i know hes gonna have more torque than the camaro but being 32 years old the t/a has to have lost a little bit. It wasn't neglected or anything but its not show quality and ya gotta figure in a little wear ect. So who do you guys think would have it? |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen older doesnt always mean slower ill go with the older one but idk for sure lol |
Re: 305 thirdgen vs v6 fourth gen
Originally Posted by blkfirebird91
(Post 4041491)
older doesnt always mean slower ill go with the older one but idk for sure lol |
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