Re: after market parts for 60* motors that picture is out of an extended cab s10. There was no holdback on the funds, he spent like 700 just on rockers IIRC. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors
Originally Posted by Dale
(Post 3424144)
that picture is out of an extended cab s10. There was no holdback on the funds, he spent like 700 just on rockers IIRC. 91Convert, go to the V6 forum and look at the top for a "new thread" icon. Also if you would be interested in an Eaton M90 bolt on kit, PM me. This thread is supposed to be for 60* performance parts ;) :totopic: |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors well that Fageol will work on the carb'd 2.8's as well.. its in the intstrunction manual of the one I own on how to set it up properly.. I think we should start a forum on how many people would be interested for a company like edelbrock to make a new FI manifold for us.. Im sure if there was enough interest theyd do it.. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors UD pullies, 60/62mm TB, engine dressup: http://mrzperformance.vstore.ca/inde...cPath/23_24_31 |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors Do the computer chips for the 89 work for an 88 too? |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors Depends on what you mean, but aftermarket chips made for an '89 should work on an '88. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors Hell yeah, thanks. Do i have to change something if i buy the stage 2 JET chip? I mean apart from a tuner. Will it work good on a stock car? |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors Works fine on a stock car. Your money would be better spent getting the equipment to tune it yourself though. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors Here's a list of what we have so far. Note that I have omitted certain components not specifically related to the 60deg v6 or that are listed as replacement parts which may be compatible. Chips- Jet stage 1 chip> 18908 Jet stage 2 chip> 18908S Hypertech chip> 129322 Hypertech chip> 128932 Engine components- GM performance parts alumium block> 10051141 Probe forged pistons (at fiero store)> 52833 Probe forged pistons (at fiero store)> 52835 ARP rod bolts> 133-6002 ARP head studs> 233-4003 ATI harmonic balancer> 917190 Melling high volume oil pump> M95HV Sealed power high volume oil pump> 224-4148V Sealed power high volume oil pump> 224-4152V Edelbrock chrome valvecovers> 4488 Spectre chrome valvecovers> 5268 Headers- Pacesetter headers> 72C1206 Pacesetter headers> 70-1206 Ignition- Mallory mechanical distributor> 4569201 Mallory mechanical/vacuum distributor> 2769201 Proform mechanical/vacuum HEI distributor> 67082 MSD cap & rotor kit> 8430 Accel cap & rotor kit> 8133 Mallory rotor> 331 MSD HEI coil> 8226 Proform HEI coil > 66937C Crane ignition box & coil kit> 6000-6302 Pertronix HEI ignition control module> D2000 Accel HEI ignition control module> 35361 Induction & fuel- NOS 3.4/3.8 nitrous kit> 05175NOS (most generic carbs compatible with use of edelbrock 3789 upper intake manifold) Edelbrock intake manifold (upper 2bbl)> 3787 Edelbrock intake manifold (upper 4bbl)> 3789 Edelbrock intake manifold (lower)> 3785 (most generic injectors compatible) Underdrive pulleys- Auto specialties pulley kit> 541801 Jet pulley kit> 90108 Valvetrain- Edlebrock cam & lifter kit> 3790 Comp cam> 16-233-4 Comp cam> 16-232-4 Comp cam> 16-115-4 Crane cam> 250511 Crane cam> 250801 Crane cam> 251241 Crane cam> 253901 Crane cam> 253941 Crane cam> 254112 Crane cam> 254122 Lunati cam> 06312 Melling cam> MTC-5 (most sm block v8 lifters compatible) Comp roller tip rockers> 1414-1 Crane alum roller rocker (single)> 25750-1 (most sm block v8 rockers compatible with use of 3/8" or 7/16" studs) Cloyes roller timing chain> 9-3137 (most sm block v8 and LS1 valve springs compatible with use of associated hardware and/or spring pocket machining) Links- www.kb-silvolite.com > large resource for replacement pistons www.60degreeev6.com/store > ported cylinder heads/ intake manifolds/ throttle bodies, crank scrapers, ect. www.fierostore.com > ported cylinder heads/ throttle bodies, forged pistons, ect. www.engine-parts.com > stroker kits, shortblocks, cams mrzperformance.vstore.ca > ported throttle bodies, underdrive pulleys, billet oil caps |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors Does anyone know if those pacesetter headers (that fit the 85-90) will fit my 1991 3.1?:help: |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors yes that will |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors
Originally Posted by TomP
(Post 3062724)
Sogabe, actually, most of that stuff works for you too- except an intake. Don't forget us 2.8 MPFI guys don't have an intake either. A carb'd intake is only for 82-84 models. That's part of the fuel-injected 2.8/3.1 "curse"... no intakes. DrDave88, thanks for the poly mount link! Have you used their products on an f-body? I had heard that the 4.3 V6 poly motor mounts were the same as V8 mounts; will they really work on 2.8 f-bodies? |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors The 2.8 camaros don't need an 'intake'. The stock air filter flows more than enough and draws infront of the radiator so it's already a 'cold air' intake. You can cut a hole below the firebird air filter canister to turn it into a cold air setup. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors
Originally Posted by bl85c
(Post 3568614)
The 2.8 camaros don't need an 'intake'. The stock air filter flows more than enough and draws infront of the radiator so it's already a 'cold air' intake. You can cut a hole below the firebird air filter canister to turn it into a cold air setup. so you're saying i don't need it? but if i still wanted it, ya know, for the look and all, where could i find one? or am i **** out of luck? |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors Late reply, but anyway you really don't need to change the intake setup unless you plan on some serious mods, but if you just want a cold air setup you can cut a hole below the air cleaner. I don't know of any aftermarket intake setups for the 2.8 or 3.1. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors there arent any aftermarket ones available for the firebird, but plenty of people have made them, do a search and im sure youll find plenty of pics and some details on how to make one. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors were can i get an intake minifold for a fuely 2.8 |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors
Originally Posted by backgammon7
(Post 3596459)
were can i get an intake minifold for a fuely 2.8 |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors Actually you could get the carb manifold from edelbrock, but a 3x00 top end swap would be almoast as involved and give much better results. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors
Originally Posted by bl85c
(Post 3596624)
Actually you could get the carb manifold from edelbrock, but a 3x00 top end swap would be almoast as involved and give much better results. Remember the 2.8/3.1's don't have a way to get the crank signal to the ECM, and the exhaust manifolds won't work (even headers need some modification). |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors If you REALLY want an aftermarket intake for the iron heads, look up "Potter race heads" or "Potter Racing", something along those lines. AFAIK they are not making the genI 660 intak emanifold, but you may be able to find one for sale somewhere. About 3 years ago, Potter cleared out ALL of thier 660 parts, even the prototype stuff in a single lot, there was some pretty interesting things in that lot. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors
Originally Posted by firstfirebird
(Post 3596645)
Carb to Gen3 is not that easy of a swap. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors Hey great list. I am glad to finally find 60* f body enthusiasts. When I called Summit, they told me none of these parts were available!! WTF!! The headers you listed state they are only for the 2.8 I have a 92 RS with the stock 3.1 Will these fit my motor? Do they have an EGR provision? If so, I am assuming it is for the vacuum controlled egr, not the electronic controlled soleniod like mine? Thanks! |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors The headers will fit. You will just have to toss the AIR pump and the EGR can be put back on. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors OK guys, I am new to the forum since my $350 '87 Ebay purchase last summer. I brought it back to life, and have been in desperate search for performance upgrades. Well Gentlemen, I have a good addition to this forum for internal components. CROWER Just go to http://www.crower.com/misc/m_cat.shtml which should be there main catalog. Page 18 or 19 lists hydraulic and solid cams and lifters, etc... for a reasonable price. They sell all internal components, even if they have to be custom. A lot is already in stock, however some items such as connecting rods just say Chevy V-6. They list the measurements, however I don't have any information on the '87 2.8L connecting rod specs. My manual doesn't cover those lengths and diameters. A shop manual will be in my immediate future purchases. By the way, Accel makes the Fuel Injectors from 17lbs. on up for this engine. When purchasing a performance chip from Hypertech for example, do they list a specific fuel injector compatibility? |
MPFI Pistons Gentlmen, I am going to purchase some pistons soon. I haven't disassembled my engine yet, but am wondering if the stock pistons are flat top, dished, or have valve reliefs in them? Also, what is everyone's thought about the oil ring. Do I NEED a piston with a "shallow oil ring groove"? |
Re: MPFI Pistons Depends on what motor you have. The 2.8 pistons are flat tops and the 3.1 pistons are dished I believe. |
Re: aftermarket parts for 60* motors and v6 cars
Originally Posted by daves12secV6
(Post 3051685)
Suspension stuff Eibach Sportline Lowering Spring Sets: EIB-4-0138 - summitracing.com Eibach Pro-Kit Lowering Spring Sets: EIB-3801-140 - summitracing.com Moroso Trick Front Springs: MOR-47210 - summitracing.com |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors I just wanted to add that I found the V6 lowering springs. Suspension Techniques 60115 I think that the main list on page 1 should be updated with all the new parts and info. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors does anyone know if their is and were to find a "fordged steel rotery set" i think that is how you spell it, for 91 3.1 v6 any help would be nice |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors The only forged items I found (especially the crankshaft) are custom made by Crower and will cost a pretty penny. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors
Originally Posted by 87InRecovery
(Post 3736199)
The only forged items I found (especially the crankshaft) are custom made by Crower and will cost a pretty penny. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors
Originally Posted by project89
(Post 3736212)
i belibve i posted another link to a forged crank it ran 700$'s id have to go back threw the whole post and look though http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t...h_100_3414.jpg http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t...h_100_3413.jpg (3500 crank in a Gen1 60*) |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors The rods are forged from the factory and the fiero store has forged pistons. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors
Originally Posted by firstfirebird
(Post 3736228)
A 3500 crank is forged and costs $400 to turn the rod journals down from 2.249" to 1.99" ;) http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t...h_100_3414.jpg http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t...h_100_3413.jpg (3500 crank in a Gen1 60*) edit nm its 2.10 but u would need a custom pistion neway right? why not just use the sbc rods and get pistons witht he right pin size |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors If you're spending the money to have the 3500 crank machined I'd expect everything else to be replaced with forgings at one point. Not sure how much extra space would be needed, but why wouldn't you skip narrowing the rods altogether and machine the extra width into the crank since you'll be machining it anyway? |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors thanks everyone you guys are awsome, and i am painting my car tomarow will post picks |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors i have a 3.1L mpfi out of my '91 firebird and it is completely disassembled and im looking to build it this winter. i ended up buying a double roller timing chain and gears and a performance camshaft and also a hypertech performance chip and performance fuel injectors. if i used these aftermarket parts and got aftermarket headers would it mess with the computer at all. will it be ok if i put all theres performance mods in. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors As long as your camshaft is reasonable and not overdone, your fine. Don't forget to bump up that ignition system, high-flow cats/muffler, and underdrive pulleys are optional. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors I'm the new owner of a 1987 Camaro 2.8 V6 with less that 50,000K. I'm looking to add a little more horsepower and I was just wondering if someone could recommend a few things to start with that would give me a small horsepower boost and thats not going to cost me an arm and a leg. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors Headers would be my first choice, although the most expensive. Lesser cost items would be a Hypertech computer chip and Hypertech thermostat. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors Those chips are pretty much worthless. You can do alot more with the money. I'd do full exhaust and intake first. Then you can do a cam, rockers, etc. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors
Originally Posted by 2.8RS
(Post 3914181)
Those chips are pretty much worthless. You can do alot more with the money. I'd do full exhaust and intake first. Then you can do a cam, rockers, etc. |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors Anyone know of a strut tower brace that will fit a V6 equipped third gen? Everywhere I search leads to STB for V8 cars only. Or has anyone made their own???? HMMM... |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors i was making them a long time ago.i think street lethal has my old stb he posted pics of it a while back and i may even have pictures of ti somewere ill look around ---------- |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors VERY COOL!!! Thankyou. I am very interested in seeing your pics of the stb. BTW how much were you charging for your stb? |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors i dont remeber i think it was like 150 bucks for a dbl adjustable stb i wa smaking them out of chromoly tubing with adjustable hiem joints on each end |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors are those intakes only for use with a carburetor? is there anything for the 2.8/3.1 MPFI? |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors u wont find anything other then the trulelo intake, or homebuild manifolds for the 2.8/3.1 though after looking at a 3.4 upper intake manifold the 3.4 mainfold looks to be somewhat of an upgrade over the stock 2.8/3.1, noone has tested to see if its worth any gains though if u wanted to try u should be able to pick one up at ur local jy for a few bucks |
Re: after market parts for 60* motors will the ones that say they're for the 2.8 work with the 3.1? |
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