383 likes it in the crack,or whatever your screen name is...i can sum your knowledge of gen 2 Lightnings up with one flag

As far as the chevy ss,it is basically a ck3 with ss badging so you can expect et's in the mid to high 15's as a freind of mine owns one for a work truck and has raced it...and going by your et and hp/tq numbers...i wonder if you have ever raced or dynoed your car.

As for the rest of you,sorry to be an ***,just living up to the Lightning owner standards,as set by this ignorant post

Whew ... Let me see ...

383BACKINBLACK ... you have done all THIS:

This car began life as a 91 RS with a 305 TBI motor
and a t5 manual, t-tops, power everything. It currently
has a 4" cowl hood, and tail light black outs
It is now powered by an aluminum headed 383 stroker
with:
callies 4340 crank
6" manley sportsmaster H beam rods
forged JE flat top Pistons
clevite 77 bearings
moroso 7qt kick out pan
comp cams roller cam (secret grind hehe) more
than 300 deg duration, and way more than .600
lift at the valve pro magnum roller lifters
moly pushrods Comp cams pro magnum roller
rockers comp cams locking rocker nuts,
comp cams billet alum stud girdle
AFR 210cc fully cnc ported heads, angle cut,
chambers cc'd to 64 cc's, AFR stainless valves,
2.08 / 1.60, comp cams silica alloy ovate wire
triple springs, titanium locks and retainers,
SFI fluid damper balancer,
victor jr intake, 750 race demon carb, msd pro
billet mag pickup distributor, MSD 6al ignition
-----------------------------
Exhaust: Hooker super comp ceramic coated
headers, 1-3/4 primary, 3" collector, dual 3"
exhaust, flowtech warlock mufflers
-----------------------------
Fuel system: Stock in tank EFI pump, Braided
stainless steel #8 line from tank to regultor,
mallory regulator, #6 line from regulator to
carb(dual feed), # 6 return line
-----------------------------
Drive line: Ram billet steel flywheel, centerforce
dual frictoin clutch, Tremec TKO 5 speed trans,
pro 5-0 shifter, Stock drive shaft spicer u-joints,
10 bolt rear with 3.73 richmond gears, strange c-clip
eliminators, LPW ultimate girdle cover, powertrax
locker
-----------------------------
Chassis: Completely welded to NHRA spec 8 point
competition engieering cage, south side machine
sub frames and lift bars, hotchkis trailing arms and
adjustable pan hard rod
-----------------------------
Autometer Pro comp tach, ultralite oil and temp
gauge, mounted in an A-pillar pod
-----------------------------
Pioneer CD deck, with clarion components 4x6's
in front and 3-way pioneer 6x9's in back, with a
jensen amp and one clarion 10" sub
-----------------------------
The cam is not happy with the 3.73's and comp
has actually told me that it is required to use the
4.10s with this cam----the 3.73s drop the revs
down(4000) out of the power band (4400-7000)
and force me to cross the traps in 3rd gear---once
this is corrected we should be able to hit 11's
solidly then we're gonna spray it


AND YOU ONLY ARE TURNING A 12.70 ?????? I GOT A
SUGGESTION FOR YA, SONNY ... BUY A LIGHTNING !!!!

I too just registered as some of my Lightning brothers have.

Lot of animosity and "arrogant" comments from one guy in particular.........................

I use to own a 3rd gen. Camaro. It was a 1991 Z281LE. It had a 6-point roll cage, balanced-n-blueprinted 310(030. overbore 305) c.i. eng., and all the 1LE 'stuff'. I'm sure you guys are familiar with the 1LEs? I never dragged it but I ran it at Road Atlanta and at Roebling Road(near Savannah) in 'driver's school' events. I sold it with 155k miles on it and it was still running strong. Btw, it was my daily driver--no AC and all the shifting.

I now own a 2001 Lightning. It cost $28,900 last May when I bought it new. It now has 42,600 miles on it as it is my daily driver now. I drag race it at Silver Dollar Raceway in Reynolds, Ga. The only thing I do before racing it is to put the M/Ts on, remove the tail gate, and add some Torco Accelerator. It weighs 4,760 lbs wiht me in it. My best et is a 12.532@108.31 with a 1.792 short time. One of my best 'track' friends races a turboed WS6. He helped me get into the 12s.

I just dynoed(Dynojet) it yesterday for the third time. It dynoed 401.9/502.1(SAE corrected)--see sig for mods. This was done at South Georgia Corvettes(another GM connection); a great shop.

No, not all Lightning owners are rearends as not all Camaro owners are rearends. blackie needs to "Lightin"(sic) up. Oh, btw, I'm 63 years old and I still see .5xx reaction times from time-to-time.............................

Dan

Email me if you want to see it.

camaro85500@yahoo.com

No dont buy a lightning.

http://camaro85.homestead.com/page1.html

Sorry guys but I had to register and reading all of his(383backinblack) ignorant posts.

1. I can tow with my Lightning, and haul engines, mattressess, etc.. So how is it not a truck. A matter of fact last year I towed my 85 GT to Hattiesburg, MS, which is about 2.5 hours from my house. Got to the track ran 11.59 with the Stang. Unbolted the Lightning from the trailer and ran 12.67. Which is more impressive a 11.59 race car or a 12.67 tow vehicle?

2. The AWD SS is a joke. Just like the original Lightning fighter the SS 454. Motortrend already compared the SS to the Harley Davidson F150. The SS ran a neck braking 15.22 @ 89.36 mph. That AWD sent many a staffer to the chiropractor. BTW the much heavier and slower than a Lightning, Harley Davidson F150 ran 14.77 @ 94.81. So not only was the Harley half a second quicker but it was just pulling away from the AWD SS. 383backinblack answer me this riddle, why is the Harley f150 so much quicker and faster than the SS? The SS enjoys a 5hp advantage, 345 vs. 340. Maybe Ford is underrating the HP figure? Or is Chevy lying?
Either way, neither the SS or Harley are within a football field of a stock L's quarter time. Matter of fact the SS maybe in the next county.

3. Price. Lightnings are $32K, Harleys $37,995, SS $39,995-$41,335. So the SS is slower than either Ford performance truck but is between $2-9,000 more dollars? But to you what is $5K. Pocket change.

4. If your Camaro has 500hp/600 ft torque, why does it only run 12.7's? I know my box stock AFR185 headed 351w GT doesn't have much more than 400 hp, but yet it runs 11.5's. Did the Ford guys that rated the 99 Cobras, also run the dyno on your Camaro? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

BTW, 383backinblack, you worried?

Ummmm ... tried .... So can you just tell us the story?


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This is a quote from 383backinblack talking about how the RWD is better. Now on this post it seems AWD is better! He just can't make up his mind which one he likes. Next week it will be FWD, so you Lightning guys better stay, it may get interesting!

383backinblack, why don't you grace us with an explination of why AWD is better now, but wasn't back then!

Oh hurray for all the new members!

383backinblack,
Must be really anoying having more money in mods in your 91 RS than what the car is worth.
12.70 w/ 550hp 600ft/lbs

i'd take half of a lightning (front half preferably) over a SS anyday.....

Ok too all the people that just took shots at me,

your obviously a complete manifestation of the pseudointellectual neurotic that you have claimed that i am, and are trying to transpose your problem onto me. its called transferrence.

that being said, if you like lightnings so much, why are you hanging around a third gen site if you find lightnings far superior?

your retarded for saying im an idiot....do you live here? obviously not, because the lightning people around here are exactly what i said they were,

and as for the moron that quoted me saying that if you supercharge a v8 it better have damn near 400 hp,

thats what i meant, it does have 380, thats nothing to be proud of. if you put a blower on a v8 and thats all it does, its not very impressive now is it?

im sorry im not part of your world where lightnings are the greatest vehicle in the world, and i thank you kindly for taking a sh*t on people that dont like them, because we feel the same way about you. the lightning is not a truck, its a sports car disguised as a truck so it has an excuse for not being as fast as it could be.

if you dont like the thread, then dont post here. and thank you very much for proving the purpose of the thread, cause thats what you just did.

my work here is done

nope, your an idiot.....AWD is obviously going to hook up better in a pickup truck where the weight bias is so far towards the front....much more so than in a car. and thank you for taking the time to research my past posts, you must have alot of free time. and stop taking things out of context....it just makes you look even less intelligent than you already are.

it still cost hell of a lot less than a new lightning does doesnt it?

i own a lightning and a 67 nova ss prostreet (900hp). im just curious but what does that make me? and i would also take a half a lightning rather that a chevy ss. and besides every car group has their cocky bastards.

not at all

Ok, lets keep this debate civil or it's pinkslips for the whole lot of ya. I haven't seen anything really to lock this thread yet but I have a feeling someone will give me a reason...

well the new fbodies werent cheap either. but since it was a newer truck its bound to be more expensive, you could also buy a 93 Lightning for a pretty decent price as well and spend more money on it in mods than it was worth too. older cars are cheaper because they are older (to an extent, because 60s muscle cars are worth more now than they were then) no flame here, i just wanted to put in my say thats all

It amazes me how clueless people are about stuff and just spout off "what they've heard" rather than what they know.

As I have owned my share of Ford and GM's over the past 3 years, i have a very optimistic lookout on whats really going on.

Ford has it going on these days and GM is starting to lag behind, bottom line.

Stock Lightnings are going as fast as 13.3's in the 1/4. The thing is, they aren't sloutches in the skid pad either, they pull like a .90 skidpad. For a 4800 lb brick, that isn't bad.

Everyone should remember, when your talking about the truck, thats just it, you are talking about a full size F150 pickup. Not a lightweight cyclone or a little ranger.

The fun factor in these trucks is simply amazing. When I first bought mine, i put a chip and pulley on the truck, like $400 bucks. Took it to the track at like 1000 miles and went 12.66 on street tires. I'm not at some low elevation east coast track either. To me, thats impressive.

There can be all the talk in the world abot the Chevy ss or The new dodge, but right now in the truck world, the lightning is king, bottom line.

Even the ford cars are taking back over performance. The new cobra out does everything near it's price range.

Hell, even the new mach 1 is running 13.13's on stock tires. The mach 1 has the cobra engine (no supercharger) with new cams and a solid axle. For 28k it's a great car.

Don't get me wrong, i love anything thats fast, and everything is slow compared to my busa.

Fit and finish, i still think my C5 was the best car I ever had. But my cobra ran circles around it, my lightning in a 1/4 mile will dust it. Top end, yeah, the L will get beat, but for what it is, it's very impressive.

It's silly to lump a bunch of people in a group based on their vehicle choice. Just like every corvette owner is an old fart, when i had my C5 i was 29, i'm 31 now, and 2 weeks after buying, it was at the track. I don't buy anything to sit and look at.

In the end, the L's are tough and something to be reckoned with in a street race. The vehicle as it comes from the factory is something to be respected

See thats what im talking about man....if you read the early posts in this argument, we talked about not lumping all lightning guys together....

i was talking about HERE where i live. and the people i encounter. And the question was whether or not people had similar experiences. and alot did.

obviously not all lightning guys are jerks, but alot of them are.

and the point about GM lagging behind was made by me as well a few posts back. this was me a few posts back:

"GM is in business to sell cars and make money, not to make faster cars at every step than every other car company there is. If they ascertained that it would have been worthwhile to make a truck to compete with the lightning then they would have. Its a business before its a pissing contest with ford. the lightning has that market cornered right now, and if GM produced a similar truck it probably wouldnt sell very well. It would take too much convincing the people that are already sold on the lightning. At a juncture in the near future i wont be surprised if they do produce a truck like that, but its not gonna happen right now"

see alot of us are on the same page.....people are just not reading the whole story and flying off the handle.

thats interesting "mr lightning tuner" because i answered all your points already about 5 posts ago, so if you would care to be an intelligent educated individual and read them then youd be better off.

The SS was a side topic that came up and was being discussed, and if you read some of the posts about how it was not intended to compete with the lightning then you would understand the point.

secondly, the purpose of this thread involved the attitude of people where i live that own lightnings most of whom are late teens to mid 20's. so obviously its a valid piece of information.

and dont think your so high and mighty, because i wasnt ripping anyone apart....you people showed up and started that, and are still doing it as we speak. We were having a polite friendly conversation here until you guys showed up with all your hostility and inability to read the whole thread before making comments

and yes your statement is about correct, a lightning can tow a 26 inch enclosed trailer hehe.

Its not a truck because its useless on anything but corvette days.....sucks in the rain, sucks in the snow period. its 2 wheel drive, its a pickup and it has 275+ rear tires. useless.

Oh ya,

in case anyone is interested....

GM is not only the largest automotive company on earth....

its the largest corporation on earth period....if you dont believe me go check it out for yourself.

GM vehicles are sold everywhere in the world, just not under the same name badges..

holdens in australia, vauxhauls in europe etc

well its kinda hard to not take it personally when you call us jerks...just because some may be jerks, from my experience alot of fbody guys can be jerks as well, but i dont go around saying that fbody guys are ******. no flame intended, i just think that it kinda prejudice. if i own both a cheby and a frod, does that make me a double jerk?

nope you have been well behaved and therefore are not a jerk

haha thanks

see we need more people like this guy