Window/Door Rattles--Observation and Pics
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for the lock actuators. mine has trouble locking but no problem unlocking.
is there an easy fix or must i buy another one?
is there an easy fix or must i buy another one?
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I need the spring for the drivers side door that holds the door open. Any ideas where to get it from?
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Thanks for info. but arent all doors same for third gen camaro? My driver side door seems to be kinda short where I can put my finger in with door close. help?
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Short as in not long enough? Is there is a gap then perhaps your doors are not aligned properly? Mine were off a bit but not enough to put a finger in! Maybe ur bushings/hinges are so worn out, can u post a pic of ur hinges/bushings?
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Hey I got a question do all of the doors for the third gen camaro the same size? Because my drive side door has large gaps when closed like finger size can fit in.
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I will soon as I can, unforunately can't do it until weekend because I go to college during week. I'll get picture of hinges and the gaps.
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Alright cool... Also, when the door is open, can you physically lift the door and move in up / down? If so, some bushing is definitely worn out.. There are upper, and lower bushings/pin. When I replaced all of mine it closes like new, door closes with no effort and has a nice tight seal with no rattles at all (thanks to JAMES C. for all the information on this thread!)
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"when the door is open, can you physically lift the door and move in up / down?"
This will tell us if the bushings are worn. Hard to tell from pic but I see the gap.; Also, your passenger side has some sort of rubber bumper in between the door? Was that on there stock?
This will tell us if the bushings are worn. Hard to tell from pic but I see the gap.; Also, your passenger side has some sort of rubber bumper in between the door? Was that on there stock?
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Thanks all this stuff your talking about in the door has been driving me buggy for sometime and since My doors are meant for cranks but have power windows. There is so much limiting the stability of the Window Motor because it really has nothing to attach too. If i showed you some pics youd see what i mean exactly..lol .. If you dont already got the mental picture of what i mean.
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I just bought an 85 IROC, the drivers side window rattles when I shut the door? Sounds like the window is loose. It doesn't rattle when I'm driving. It's window crank, not power windows. I'm thinking loose window guides, how do I adjust the guides without causing air noise or leaking? Thanks
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I just bought an 85 IROC, the drivers side window rattles when I shut the door? Sounds like the window is loose. It doesn't rattle when I'm driving. It's window crank, not power windows. I'm thinking loose window guides, how do I adjust the guides without causing air noise or leaking? Thanks
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is the window completely rolled up? Half way down? All the way down? At different heights it could be different culprits.. For example:
Completely rolled up: your window may need to be adjusted for a higher max height to come into contact and be tight with the weatherstripping. Is it t-top or hard top? Also good to inspect for wind noise...
Half / partial height: Window fuzzies under the top door panel. Tighten these or replace if totally worn out.
Rolled down all the way: It might be rolled down too far because the stops are not there anymore so it goes lower than it should and isn't tight anymore.
Completely rolled up: your window may need to be adjusted for a higher max height to come into contact and be tight with the weatherstripping. Is it t-top or hard top? Also good to inspect for wind noise...
Half / partial height: Window fuzzies under the top door panel. Tighten these or replace if totally worn out.
Rolled down all the way: It might be rolled down too far because the stops are not there anymore so it goes lower than it should and isn't tight anymore.
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To adjust the upper window guides you need to remove the door panel and upper trim piece. You'll need a T15 and T30 to remove the door handle and center trim piece. Be careful of the trim piece because not all of the screw heads are real. A tool like the one below helps loosen the panel. Then while holding the panel upward with a little pressure, smack the trim piece inward along its length to loosen it. IIRC, the window needs to be part way down as well.
The guides are pictured below and if loose you'll notice a gap between them and the glass. Be careful adjusting them because they do wear through and can scratch the window and you'll need to run the window up and down to make sure it's not too tight in certain spots.
The guides are pictured below and if loose you'll notice a gap between them and the glass. Be careful adjusting them because they do wear through and can scratch the window and you'll need to run the window up and down to make sure it's not too tight in certain spots.
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Fixed! Thanks for your response. It was the guides. I removed the handle, one screw on top and two on the bottom. I removed the window crank with a removal tool (bought for $3 bucks at auto store) it simply pushes the metal u-shaped retainer out/ opposite side of tool pushes the retainer back in. I removed the door handle, lock and mirror control cover by simply turning it out over the inside door handle, hex only fits actual retainer screws, the fake heads were too small to engage (didn't force) funky pattern. The maual lock button was easily pry'd out with a small screw driver. the mirror control was heald on with a small metal retainer, removed it with needlenose plyers (just turned out). The plastic retainers around the door were easily popped with a screw driver, I took my time so not to damage the paint on door or break the plastic retainers. When it came time remove the door panel..well, that was a bear. The door panel was never removed and it was tight. I tried pulling, manipulating and everything elseing while lifting the door. No luck, finally after continued effort I heard a pop! The funny thing is the last time I removed a door panel on a third generation the latch side of the panel came out first, this time it was the hinge side. Anyway, once the panel was removed I immediately noticed that one window guide was somewhat flush against the glass and the other left a gap, however, both were tight?. I used a 10 milimeter socket, adjusted both guides so that they were flush/ tight, but overly tight. I shut the door and it shut like new, no rattle. I didn't have to adjust height or anything. The window was even with the top of the car and it sealed nicely. That was it, rattle gone. I then used a lubricant spray and sprayed all working parts. The window cranked easy before, now it cranks like new! I put the door back together and opened and shut it several times with a sense of accomplishment that only those of us who are not true gear heads can feel. Thanks again for responding
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Frydaddy- if you lift the front of the driver's door, the gap at the rear should close up and so should the one at the front...
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Another way to reduce window slop- pull the front window guide out)two bolts and it lifts out). Check the track. These tend to spread over time. Just squeeze it back together until the window just slides through it. Reinstall and see if that doesn't help things!!
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Also, what can I squeeze back together? The track itself??
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Great tip James C, ....i have a 82 TA i have owned since '89, restoring it bit by bit....T-tops are rattle monsters, ...anyone know if I can change them over to later 3rd gen t-tops? Or any other suggestions, maybe sub frame connectors might help?
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Mike, I'm not sure about your '82 TA but my '88 IROC-Z has adjustable T-top retainers; the adjustment procedure is detailed in the FSM.
If you don't have the FSM for your F-body I sugges you try to pick up one, maybe on this Forum or on ebay.
Regarding sub-frame connectors, I had a shop install South Side Machine units onto my prior '86 IROC-Z and it made such a huge difference in handling. The car then felt extremely tight & solid in corners. Those units were bolted & welded in rear, welded in front and tack welded along the inner rocker panels.
Have fun and enjoy the restaration.
If you don't have the FSM for your F-body I sugges you try to pick up one, maybe on this Forum or on ebay.
Regarding sub-frame connectors, I had a shop install South Side Machine units onto my prior '86 IROC-Z and it made such a huge difference in handling. The car then felt extremely tight & solid in corners. Those units were bolted & welded in rear, welded in front and tack welded along the inner rocker panels.
Have fun and enjoy the restaration.
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I may have an extra set of the retainers if you find a set of T-Tops and want to switch over. PM me if you're interested.
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I'm not sure if it has been covered here or not, but one source of rattles in my doors was loose rivets, they're everywhere including the inside door handle. I didn't figure out one of rattles until I replaced my power window motor, two of the rivets were loose and would make noise with the slightest of vibration. Once I installed the new motor with bolts and lock nuts the noise was gone. I even used rubber washers between the motor and door frame for further dampening.
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Heres my passenger side, which is not bad except i think its kinda low when scratching the door trim at bottom.
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Hey I finally got those pictures of my doors gaps, please post me answers on what to do to fix the gap thanks!
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lots of good tips,
my power locks would not lock with one push of the button, I have my latch out and cleaning it. most of the time we only lube, and do not clean out the gunk that has built up.
my power locks would not lock with one push of the button, I have my latch out and cleaning it. most of the time we only lube, and do not clean out the gunk that has built up.
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the way to fix your issues with the door gaps, they look big on the drivers and tight on the passengers. I even seen on the passengers door rear top there is a chip / rust spot that has a matching spot on the body. this all points to that your car has been in a accident. the only way to fix is at a good body shop that has a frame machine, so they can square your car up and address the other problems that you cant see and will show there ugly head when the car is being squared up.
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even drooping the front end off a curb can cause that, driving hard with out/or poor sub-frame connectors, or jumping can cause that.
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The other thing I found that took out a lot of the tin can sound when shutting the door, in the front upper corner the is a spot weld that was broke & a crack in the same area. I'll get picks up latter, it's just one more issue with the heavy doors, sound deading, and I also cut some strips 1"wide & 2" long & put it on the rods, it stopped them from rattling.
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With cleaning the latch was a big improvement still won't lock with the power, but I'm not afraid of braking off the key in the lock.
The other thing I found that took out a lot of the tin can sound when shutting the door, in the front upper corner the is a spot weld that was broke & a crack in the same area. I'll get picks up latter, it's just one more issue with the heavy doors, sound deading, and I also cut some strips 1"wide & 2" long & put it on the rods, it stopped them from rattling.
The other thing I found that took out a lot of the tin can sound when shutting the door, in the front upper corner the is a spot weld that was broke & a crack in the same area. I'll get picks up latter, it's just one more issue with the heavy doors, sound deading, and I also cut some strips 1"wide & 2" long & put it on the rods, it stopped them from rattling.
in the photo you can see the crack (rust line) and just above where the skin is attached to the door frame, it took a lot of rattle out,
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was at the junkyard a while back pulled a couple things off a 4th gen door. My door is now so much quieter and when opening the door from inside theres no sqeaks
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Anyone know how to tighten up the window tracks themselves? My driver side window wiggles in and out about 3 inches. the front track(the track by the engine bay) is so loose the rubber guide won't stay in.
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Does anybody have any tips on adjusting doors and windows so they actually seal?
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If you need new seals, then there is not much you can do.
The doors you really have little to no adjustment other than shimming the door bolts in the front, Shimming however I think would probably have the opposite effect you desire.
There is some adjustment on the windows, Down there is only the bumper at the bottom (that is usually missing) that hits the bottom of the door itself. The up-stop there are two stops IIRC you can adjust the front and rear for the angle, there are some minor things you can do to adjust it in and out...
Good luck, it takes some time and fiddling...
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My locks are also a little difficult. The power motor will cycle them partly but not completely. Was it very much trouble getting them out? When I looked in there it seemed like the actuator rod might be tough to get in and out properly.
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My windows took awhile to adjust and I got it pretty good (you can adjust up - down, left - right, and in - out), although the top stops fell off on my driver's side door, which I'll fix this spring. Also, the bottom stops were never there but i took that soft felt stuff (the stuff you put under chairs so they don't scratch floors) and I used a few of them on top of eachother (just pile them up until the window goes low just enough so that it goes unseen). They've held up for the past 6 years so far and when I make them go down it's not a hard stop it's a nice soft absorbed impact lol.
For my locks I replaced lock motors, relay, ground screw, greased lock rods, installed new lock buttons, etc.. The only thing I did not do was remove the door latches, degrease, and regrease them. This will likely fix the locks not working problem with the car.
For my locks I replaced lock motors, relay, ground screw, greased lock rods, installed new lock buttons, etc.. The only thing I did not do was remove the door latches, degrease, and regrease them. This will likely fix the locks not working problem with the car.
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Did you replace the factory weather strip or somehow use it in addition to the other seal?
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Going to be redoing my doors soon, this sticky will help immensely.
I have some window alignment and rattle issues in my driver side door, both power lock actuators don't really work, and both power window motors are slower than cold molasses. Only thing I needed that I'm having difficulty finding are the door rods and clips for the locks and door handles. Trying to find F-bodies near me is nearly impossible because they've been wrecked and crushed and stripped and raced on dirt track.
I have some window alignment and rattle issues in my driver side door, both power lock actuators don't really work, and both power window motors are slower than cold molasses. Only thing I needed that I'm having difficulty finding are the door rods and clips for the locks and door handles. Trying to find F-bodies near me is nearly impossible because they've been wrecked and crushed and stripped and raced on dirt track.
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Thank you, everyone, for the great information!!