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11-15-2012, 10:15 PM
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It's people like you that members need to avoid listening to. Your basing your research on what, speculation? A 1.94" intake valve is small for a 305 lol? Are you serious? Truly you don't know what your talking about. The cylinder heads "shroud" the valve lol? Is this apart of that wonderful research of yours? Have you ported a 305 cylinder head? Well, have you? Have you run that ported set on a 305 after you were done? Well, have you?
I have my friend, and what you say is completely fluff because you have no idea what you are talking about. Here are my stock 1.84" intake valve cylinder heads that I am running on my turbo 305 (see below), which are obviously smaller than 1.94" cylinder heads... you think they don't flow well lol? I ported the chamber out to easily clear a 1.94" valve as well which I will be reseating for and installing in the coming few weeks. My ten second trap speed at 15-psi proves to me otherwise as to every single thing you are saying. Wanna prove to me, factually, the contrary? Can you? Go ahead, I will wait to see you post somebody else's research, or words, and then I will laugh my azz off because your words are hollow and empty backed by no research or work on your own whatsoever...
I have my friend, and what you say is completely fluff because you have no idea what you are talking about. Here are my stock 1.84" intake valve cylinder heads that I am running on my turbo 305 (see below), which are obviously smaller than 1.94" cylinder heads... you think they don't flow well lol? I ported the chamber out to easily clear a 1.94" valve as well which I will be reseating for and installing in the coming few weeks. My ten second trap speed at 15-psi proves to me otherwise as to every single thing you are saying. Wanna prove to me, factually, the contrary? Can you? Go ahead, I will wait to see you post somebody else's research, or words, and then I will laugh my azz off because your words are hollow and empty backed by no research or work on your own whatsoever...
you can build 305's all you like. it's not that they can't make power, there's just no point in building one as you will always be behind when compared to a similar bigger bore SBC.
probably the best performance upgrade you could do to a 305 is bore it out to 4"....
11-16-2012, 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by big hammer
you obviously don't know what you're talking about. I didn't say a 1.94 is a small valve for a 305, it's a small valve, period. furthermore, it's the cylinder WALL that shrounds the valve because of the SMALL BORE, not the cylinder head...
Originally Posted by big hammer
... performance engine building 101. you aren't reading well because you are angry as you know that i am correct.
Originally Posted by big hammer
... you can build 305's all you like.
Originally Posted by big hammer
... it's not that they can't make power, there's just no point in building one as you will always be behind when compared to a similar bigger bore SBC.
Originally Posted by big hammer
probably the best performance upgrade you could do to a 305 is bore it out to 4"....
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Originally Posted by Street Lethal
Perhaps take another hit from that joint you are smoking...
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11-16-2012, 01:45 PM
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Re: if you just bought your first thirdgen READ THIS
Rob, why be a d!ck? Is it necessary to bring his location into all of this? That's just plain immature, and racist aswell.
11-16-2012, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by PhoenixFirebird
Rob, why be a d!ck? Is it necessary to bring his location into all of this? That's just plain immature, and racist aswell.
You ask me why bring his "location" into it? What difference does it make, and how is that racist? Do I know his background? Do I know his nationality? How the hell does that make me a racist? Perhaps I brought up Canada because he is offered no real competition. Perhaps I brought it up as a means of understanding his obsession with being part of our website only to put the engines of just about every make and model down. As far as being immature, I am merely speaking his language, and as far as you calling me out like this, next time send me a PM, or don't respond to me like this at all...
11-16-2012, 02:47 PM
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Re: if you just bought your first thirdgen READ THIS
Originally Posted by Street Lethal
It just dawned on me that Big Hammer is in Manitoba Canada, perhaps he really was "choochin" when he wrote that nonsense, eh? Maybe tried explaining "engine 101" in a "choochified" manner while "chooching" his own pant antler, eh? It's just "choochin"...
11-16-2012, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Street Lethal
Talk is cheap, any vids of your whip at the track? Oh wait, your still capped at 5-psi, no?
11-16-2012, 02:58 PM
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no i was talkin about my original post
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11-16-2012, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 88FormulaF_Bomb
no i was talkin about my original post
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11-16-2012, 03:09 PM
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Re: if you just bought your first thirdgen READ THIS
what the helll is going on here?? Sometimes I think ppl are just so bored that all they like to do is argue on here and if you not saying what the other person wants to hear it will never end...lmao. 
and this isnt focused on one person at all, just as "us" all in general at times.
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Don't know your name to address you formally, but why would you be the d!ck and not post this to me in a PM? Why try to make an example of my post in this thread when this has nothing at all to do with you? If you must know, you have an essentially new member, that, not only doesn't even own a third gen, but is professing to know about the lack of air flow within the confines of the 305 engine when he has yet to prove anything factually. I have absolutely no respect for members who do not respect this website, members who come on here solely to put down SBC's while proclaiming LS1's to be gawd's gift to 3rd gen enthusiasts, which, if you carefully inspect his posts, is what this person does within each and every thread...
You ask me why bring his "location" into it? What difference does it make, and how is that racist? Do I know his background? Do I know his nationality? How the hell does that make me a racist? Perhaps I brought up Canada because he is offered no real competition. Perhaps I brought it up as a means of understanding his obsession with being part of our website only to put the engines of just about every make and model down. As far as being immature, I am merely speaking his language, and as far as you calling me out like this, next time send me a PM, or don't respond to me like this at all...
You ask me why bring his "location" into it? What difference does it make, and how is that racist? Do I know his background? Do I know his nationality? How the hell does that make me a racist? Perhaps I brought up Canada because he is offered no real competition. Perhaps I brought it up as a means of understanding his obsession with being part of our website only to put the engines of just about every make and model down. As far as being immature, I am merely speaking his language, and as far as you calling me out like this, next time send me a PM, or don't respond to me like this at all...
11-16-2012, 10:02 PM
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11-16-2012, 10:11 PM
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and thank you for making it personal, I have left you and your build 100% alone and intend to keep doing so, but you cannot seem to act like anything but a child, sigh...
and yes I have uploaded vids at the track not sure why that matters.. and no not capped at 5psi, never was capped just sorting out issues until i feel it is safe to turn up some more. But last I checked, 5psi was more than 0 PSI so Im pretty content for now.
I logged off.. I have these things called class and responsibility I have to tend to...
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11-16-2012, 10:20 PM
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Re: if you just bought your first thirdgen READ THIS
Just as I suspected, you provide no factual data, you provide no factual research, you provide no factual work on your part whatsoever, you are all speculation backed by no pictures, backed by no video, backed by no bench testing, backed by nada, zip, zero, nothing, which, apparently, is all you seem to know with each and every post, and now you have just underlined it by dodging what was asked from you lol. Did you bother to even look at the pictures you jack@ss? Do you not see the outline of the head gasket in the second picture to compare where the bore is in conjunction with the chamber? Have you not figured out that that is why I posted that particular picture in the first place? Hmm, thought you would have figured that out, meh, maybe I gave you too much credit lol...
Truly you are delusional, and you have just proven how worthless and pathetic your posts are because you have proven absolutely nothing to me, and to those reading along. Perhaps take another hit from that joint you are smoking because you are confusing yourself, as well as those who are reading along, with each and every word you are typing. Ehhh <buzzer sound> try again...
Clearly you are that full of yourself to think you can advise another member on what he or she can build when the reality is, who here honestly gives a crap what you have to say when you don't back up your words lol? "Engine 101" lmfao? Seriously? Let's see that degree in mechanics, oh wait, you mean engine 101 a la the internet, right lol? Such a pathetic excuse of knowledge you are, keep trying though, your very amusing after a hard days work.
Truly you don't know the logic behind horsepower, and I shall prove it for everyone reading along right now. Here is a question(s) "101", and this will underline if you know what you are talking about or not, so make sure you read the question and get it right, otherwise you are not a Big Hammer, just a Big Dum Dum lol. What happens when you run too much overlap when running a turbocharger on a smaller engine, and does the byproduct, rather the effect, either help or hinder said engine when running smaller than average intake valves. Explain the outcome, and why. Note that this is a trick question, because if you explain the answer correctly, then you would have just proven every single word that you have written wrong. Enlighten me Mr. "101"...
What's even more amusing is the fact that you think they can be taken out to four inches lmao. Big Dum Dum keeps showing his real knowledge with each and every post...
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It just dawned on me that Big Hammer is in Manitoba Canada, perhaps he really was "choochin" when he wrote that nonsense, eh? Maybe tried explaining "engine 101" in a "choochified" manner while "chooching" his own pant antler, eh? It's just "choochin"...
Truly you are delusional, and you have just proven how worthless and pathetic your posts are because you have proven absolutely nothing to me, and to those reading along. Perhaps take another hit from that joint you are smoking because you are confusing yourself, as well as those who are reading along, with each and every word you are typing. Ehhh <buzzer sound> try again...
Clearly you are that full of yourself to think you can advise another member on what he or she can build when the reality is, who here honestly gives a crap what you have to say when you don't back up your words lol? "Engine 101" lmfao? Seriously? Let's see that degree in mechanics, oh wait, you mean engine 101 a la the internet, right lol? Such a pathetic excuse of knowledge you are, keep trying though, your very amusing after a hard days work.
Truly you don't know the logic behind horsepower, and I shall prove it for everyone reading along right now. Here is a question(s) "101", and this will underline if you know what you are talking about or not, so make sure you read the question and get it right, otherwise you are not a Big Hammer, just a Big Dum Dum lol. What happens when you run too much overlap when running a turbocharger on a smaller engine, and does the byproduct, rather the effect, either help or hinder said engine when running smaller than average intake valves. Explain the outcome, and why. Note that this is a trick question, because if you explain the answer correctly, then you would have just proven every single word that you have written wrong. Enlighten me Mr. "101"...
What's even more amusing is the fact that you think they can be taken out to four inches lmao. Big Dum Dum keeps showing his real knowledge with each and every post...
Edit...;
It just dawned on me that Big Hammer is in Manitoba Canada, perhaps he really was "choochin" when he wrote that nonsense, eh? Maybe tried explaining "engine 101" in a "choochified" manner while "chooching" his own pant antler, eh? It's just "choochin"...
these are probably the kinda posts that keep newer members from joining up?
on a side note, that looks like some nice bowl work on the 305 heads.
edit,...says i gotta add 1 character??????
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11-16-2012, 10:33 PM
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Re: if you just bought your first thirdgen READ THIS
This thread is retarted!!!!! Especially the first post. Any size or Gen SBC can be built to go "fast" and everybody has a bit of a different idea of what they consider fast also. So "F-bomb" if youre car is a P.O.S and u hate it. and only have it to beat a C4 Vette. The im sorry to say, but you really are NOT a thirdgen enthusiast. And I would bet $ that you wont be a Thirdgen owner in the near future. I also just responded to another post of youres in this section. Please just stop posting this ignorant BS, Its really just cluttering this section of the boards up. And adding to that bad stigma most of us Thirdgenners have been trying to drop over the years. Do youreself a huge favor. If you really wanna keep and build up and make youre car nice. Go to the tech sections and read, read, read, then search and search some more after reading alot more..
11-16-2012, 10:50 PM
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it's absolutely true. first off, a 1.94 is a small valve. 2nd, a 1.94 intake valve gets very close to the wall of the 305's SMALL BORE which shrouds the valve. this hinders airflow and performance. it's small bore size with it's 2 valve configuration hinders performance, end of story. especially in an N\A application.
it's a big part of the reason almost NOBODY builds a 305. it's not that they were a bad engine. they were great in caprices and stuff.
it's a big part of the reason almost NOBODY builds a 305. it's not that they were a bad engine. they were great in caprices and stuff.
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11-17-2012, 12:23 AM
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You want to rephrase that ?
LT1 even stock is better than a stock L98, and you can Create far superior numbers & performance with an LT1 than an L98, its almost like 305 TPI vs 350 TPI, L98 is Great lots of torque but it chokes power because of the spider legs style intake runners so it can't breath above a certain rpm, LT1 was a vast improvement because of the elimination of it, why work on building the TPI when if done on an LT1 you get better results unless you specifically WANT the TPI, just like why build up a 305 when a 350 gets you farther ? It's personal choice. its no match for an LS1 however but some people just want an LT1 and not necessarily an LS1 at the present time.
L98 is Succeeded by LT1 which is succeeded by LS1 which is succeeded by LS2 then LS3 which is hugely succeeded by LS6 then LS7 and then LS9. its a dream of engine choices to pick and choose, don't rag because someone doesn't choose the most potent one.
LT1 even stock is better than a stock L98, and you can Create far superior numbers & performance with an LT1 than an L98, its almost like 305 TPI vs 350 TPI, L98 is Great lots of torque but it chokes power because of the spider legs style intake runners so it can't breath above a certain rpm, LT1 was a vast improvement because of the elimination of it, why work on building the TPI when if done on an LT1 you get better results unless you specifically WANT the TPI, just like why build up a 305 when a 350 gets you farther ? It's personal choice. its no match for an LS1 however but some people just want an LT1 and not necessarily an LS1 at the present time.
L98 is Succeeded by LT1 which is succeeded by LS1 which is succeeded by LS2 then LS3 which is hugely succeeded by LS6 then LS7 and then LS9. its a dream of engine choices to pick and choose, don't rag because someone doesn't choose the most potent one.
11-17-2012, 12:27 AM
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11-17-2012, 12:52 AM
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You want to rephrase that ?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nSGwz5aGQtc
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=r...&v=vOyI5r-90KQ
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-UgXZptzI1o
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4kyw1Ba74OM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PddJyzVBoFI
LT1 even stock is better than a stock L98, and you can Create far superior numbers & performance with an LT1 than an L98, its almost like 305 TPI vs 350 TPI, L98 is Great lots of torque but it chokes power because of the spider legs style intake runners so it can't breath above a certain rpm, LT1 was a vast improvement because of the elimination of it, why work on building the TPI when if done on an LT1 you get better results unless you specifically WANT the TPI, just like why build up a 305 when a 350 gets you farther ? It's personal choice. its no match for an LS1 however but some people just want an LT1 and not necessarily an LS1 at the present time.
L98 is Succeeded by LT1 which is succeeded by LS1 which is succeeded by LS2 then LS3 which is hugely succeeded by LS6 then LS7 and then LS9. its a dream of engine choices to pick and choose, don't rag because someone doesn't choose the most potent one.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nSGwz5aGQtc
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=r...&v=vOyI5r-90KQ
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-UgXZptzI1o
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4kyw1Ba74OM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PddJyzVBoFI
LT1 even stock is better than a stock L98, and you can Create far superior numbers & performance with an LT1 than an L98, its almost like 305 TPI vs 350 TPI, L98 is Great lots of torque but it chokes power because of the spider legs style intake runners so it can't breath above a certain rpm, LT1 was a vast improvement because of the elimination of it, why work on building the TPI when if done on an LT1 you get better results unless you specifically WANT the TPI, just like why build up a 305 when a 350 gets you farther ? It's personal choice. its no match for an LS1 however but some people just want an LT1 and not necessarily an LS1 at the present time.
L98 is Succeeded by LT1 which is succeeded by LS1 which is succeeded by LS2 then LS3 which is hugely succeeded by LS6 then LS7 and then LS9. its a dream of engine choices to pick and choose, don't rag because someone doesn't choose the most potent one.
I'm well aware of the full gm lineup of engines and I have owned 305's 350's tbi l98 lt1 vortec 5.7's and I also have an ls2 in my goat had an lq9 silverado ss and a lq4 2500.
I'm merely pointing out that an l98 can be modified to beat a stock lt1.
I mean come on it's 285hp I hope there are L98's in that territory.
Mod for mod of course the lt1 may win but on the same budget it might be close.
And if my mildly modified budget lt1 swap can beat stock mach 1's (320hp) lol I actually have a buddy with one he has cobra cams longtubes intake nitrous and I still hang with him
And a kb cobra is way out of the 320hp league Jeeze guy they are 390 stock that's 100 hp over the lt1 out of the box. And add full exhaust intake and a kenne bell with a pulley and it's 500 plus. No way I'm getting that n/a on a small cube motor and keeping any sort of drive-ability.
The only reason I mentioned kb cobra's anyway was to try and relate to the op in the fact that my brother has a faster car too and it's not all about who has the most power but also if you know how to drive and understand how to fix your car.
Look at my sig or something
11-18-2012, 10:39 AM
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So when is this thread being locked down?
11-19-2012, 08:48 AM
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11-19-2012, 09:43 AM
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Re: if you just bought your first thirdgen READ THIS
Just want to say that when I bought my car new, it was one of the fastest cars on the road. Now it's 22 years later and it's depressing. I thought something was wrong with my car yesterday because an Acura TL gave me a run for my money at a stoplight. I came home and did some research and found out why, those things are pretty fast. They run low 14s, so I'm lucky to beat him I guess. I got smoked a couple of weeks ago by some funky looking stang, it was kickdown and obviously at his favorite speed from the looks of it. I couldn't begin to touch that, but he might have been bottle feeding it too based upon how his car suddenly started to accelerate hard well after he had punched it. Then it screamed away from me, it made me sad. I like my original car, but it's getting slow by today's standards. I'm about ready to start making real changes as long as they are reversable. Looks like an HSR, a cam and some heads would help.
11-19-2012, 11:54 AM
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this is why I dont race my Bird... I just enjoy driving her. Like I said before I have driven some other faster cars and they dont have the seat of the pants feel mine does. I used to have a 91 Civic SI and that was much slower than my GTA but still felt really fun to get into.
11-23-2012, 05:42 PM
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back when i was 19.(1982) a 12 sec car. WAS FAST, street car.
as the 80s came and went, so did the 12s. then in the 90s the 11s had some fun... now the 10.s are street driven fun cars.with power windows +.
as the 80s came and went, so did the 12s. then in the 90s the 11s had some fun... now the 10.s are street driven fun cars.with power windows +.
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Re: if you just bought your first thirdgen READ THIS
You want to rephrase that ?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nSGwz5aGQtc
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=r...&v=vOyI5r-90KQ
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-UgXZptzI1o
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4kyw1Ba74OM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PddJyzVBoFI
LT1 even stock is better than a stock L98, and you can Create far superior numbers & performance with an LT1 than an L98, its almost like 305 TPI vs 350 TPI, L98 is Great lots of torque but it chokes power because of the spider legs style intake runners so it can't breath above a certain rpm, LT1 was a vast improvement because of the elimination of it, why work on building the TPI when if done on an LT1 you get better results unless you specifically WANT the TPI, just like why build up a 305 when a 350 gets you farther ? It's personal choice. its no match for an LS1 however but some people just want an LT1 and not necessarily an LS1 at the present time.
L98 is Succeeded by LT1 which is succeeded by LS1 which is succeeded by LS2 then LS3 which is hugely succeeded by LS6 then LS7 and then LS9. its a dream of engine choices to pick and choose, don't rag because someone doesn't choose the most potent one.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nSGwz5aGQtc
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=r...&v=vOyI5r-90KQ
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-UgXZptzI1o
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4kyw1Ba74OM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PddJyzVBoFI
LT1 even stock is better than a stock L98, and you can Create far superior numbers & performance with an LT1 than an L98, its almost like 305 TPI vs 350 TPI, L98 is Great lots of torque but it chokes power because of the spider legs style intake runners so it can't breath above a certain rpm, LT1 was a vast improvement because of the elimination of it, why work on building the TPI when if done on an LT1 you get better results unless you specifically WANT the TPI, just like why build up a 305 when a 350 gets you farther ? It's personal choice. its no match for an LS1 however but some people just want an LT1 and not necessarily an LS1 at the present time.
L98 is Succeeded by LT1 which is succeeded by LS1 which is succeeded by LS2 then LS3 which is hugely succeeded by LS6 then LS7 and then LS9. its a dream of engine choices to pick and choose, don't rag because someone doesn't choose the most potent one.
11-23-2012, 08:55 PM
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A. if you have any motor besides an l98, do not race anything! 305 cars are the reason people think hondas are fast.
B. if you have an l98, you can race hondas and minivans. but you are still very slow and you will get beat by v6 muskrats.
C. if you own a 305 car, do NOT go to the track and race. you will only be upset by a pocketfull of 16sec timeslips.
D. if you insist on racing you stockish thirdgen, pick your battles carefully, dnt ever think you are about to win. but if you tree hard and launch right a stock l98 will hang with alot newer cars to about 80.
E. have fun, be safe, go race.
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B. if you have an l98, you can race hondas and minivans. but you are still very slow and you will get beat by v6 muskrats.
C. if you own a 305 car, do NOT go to the track and race. you will only be upset by a pocketfull of 16sec timeslips.
D. if you insist on racing you stockish thirdgen, pick your battles carefully, dnt ever think you are about to win. but if you tree hard and launch right a stock l98 will hang with alot newer cars to about 80.
E. have fun, be safe, go race.
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01-05-2013, 12:17 AM
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Re: if you just bought your first thirdgen READ THIS
Someone is always going to be bigger, faster, or smarter than you. It's all about pushing yourself to be your best and having fun and making friends while doing it. If you can't do that then you need a new hobby. It's about doing what makes you happy, not turning it into a **** comparing contest and getting all butthurt about it.
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng...s/viewall.html
^ 305's can be fast for cheap.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=smokey+yunick%27s+power+secrets
^And for those that still subscribe to hillbilly engineering and don't fully understand how an engine works and a reference for everyone else.
Thirdgens aren't the end all be all to cars but they're a damn good platform to handle well, build a nice engine and driveline, and have a wicked street car that'll be more fun to drive than anything to boot.
And "fast" is subjective. I've been in and driven a couple fast cars, but hell my 20+ second 4 cylinder Toyota is fun to bang through the gears hard from a light. My thirdgen isn't scaring anything but it will bark the tires and it's like driving a go kart on the street.
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng...s/viewall.html
^ 305's can be fast for cheap.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=smokey+yunick%27s+power+secrets
^And for those that still subscribe to hillbilly engineering and don't fully understand how an engine works and a reference for everyone else.
Thirdgens aren't the end all be all to cars but they're a damn good platform to handle well, build a nice engine and driveline, and have a wicked street car that'll be more fun to drive than anything to boot.
And "fast" is subjective. I've been in and driven a couple fast cars, but hell my 20+ second 4 cylinder Toyota is fun to bang through the gears hard from a light. My thirdgen isn't scaring anything but it will bark the tires and it's like driving a go kart on the street.
01-08-2013, 05:57 AM
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Re: if you just bought your first thirdgen READ THIS
Wow this is stupid...
We all know that 350s are better than 305s; but that doesnt mEan that 305s aren't worth modifying.
I bought my 305 tbi camaro for $800, when I got it it was insanely slow. But with $400 in used headers and exhaust, open element, and a 3.42 rear end my car ran a 15.1 in the quarter during one of the muggiest hottest days of august with a horrible 2.2 60'. A better day with a better launch I should hit a 14.9. Still not fast, but faster than a lot of other cars. Throw in a lt1 cam and you're running with lt1 4th gens.
We all know that 350s are better than 305s; but that doesnt mEan that 305s aren't worth modifying.
I bought my 305 tbi camaro for $800, when I got it it was insanely slow. But with $400 in used headers and exhaust, open element, and a 3.42 rear end my car ran a 15.1 in the quarter during one of the muggiest hottest days of august with a horrible 2.2 60'. A better day with a better launch I should hit a 14.9. Still not fast, but faster than a lot of other cars. Throw in a lt1 cam and you're running with lt1 4th gens.
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01-08-2013, 10:34 AM
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Re: if you just bought your first thirdgen READ THIS
Wow this is stupid...
We all know that 350s are better than 305s; but that doesnt mEan that 305s aren't worth modifying.
I bought my 305 tbi camaro for $800, when I got it it was insanely slow. But with $400 in used headers and exhaust, open element, and a 3.42 rear end my car ran a 15.1 in the quarter during one of the muggiest hottest days of august with a horrible 2.2 60'. A better day with a better launch I should hit a 14.9. Still not fast, but faster than a lot of other cars. Throw in a lt1 cam and you're running with lt1 4th gens.
We all know that 350s are better than 305s; but that doesnt mEan that 305s aren't worth modifying.
I bought my 305 tbi camaro for $800, when I got it it was insanely slow. But with $400 in used headers and exhaust, open element, and a 3.42 rear end my car ran a 15.1 in the quarter during one of the muggiest hottest days of august with a horrible 2.2 60'. A better day with a better launch I should hit a 14.9. Still not fast, but faster than a lot of other cars. Throw in a lt1 cam and you're running with lt1 4th gens.
01-08-2013, 11:53 AM
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I was outrunning Lt1's with some weight reduction and bolt-ons from a dig until the top of third gear by 2 or three cars. I had my car down to about a 14.3-14.1 range BEFORE I did the H/C/I and convertor swap. It's how you build the WHOLE car to make it run, not just the engine.
01-08-2013, 12:45 PM
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Re: if you just bought your first thirdgen READ THIS
I was outrunning Lt1's with some weight reduction and bolt-ons from a dig until the top of third gear by 2 or three cars. I had my car down to about a 14.3-14.1 range BEFORE I did the H/C/I and convertor swap. It's how you build the WHOLE car to make it run, not just the engine.
01-08-2013, 01:45 PM
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For some reason your post isn't showing but I assure you that I would smash on LT1 cars till about the top of third gear, then they would slowly creep past me. After the H/C/I and convertor swap it wasn't even a race for me.
01-08-2013, 01:51 PM
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supreme member vs supreme member.
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01-08-2013, 02:35 PM
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Axle/Gears: 4th gen, 373, LSD, GIRDLE
Re: if you just bought your first thirdgen READ THIS
Just like the motorcycle forums. Rockets trashing harleys, harley guys trashing rockets. What we need to remember is this.... Its all about what gets you. If you want the fastest car, get a Mclaren or Bugatti. Some cant understand my harley, how can you ride that? Its slow, ugly, cant turn, cant stop. BULL.
It has a ton of torque, sounds great, looks great, and the girlfriend and I can ride around in comfort.
Same with a third gen, ton of hp stock? No, torque yes. different strokes for different folks. Will a new v6 mustang take it in a race? Probabally, would you rather have a v6 mustang? no. If you have a problem with being beat by a v6, mod ur v8. Or just settle down, put a tape in the deck and enjoy your car.
Just remember, have fun.
It has a ton of torque, sounds great, looks great, and the girlfriend and I can ride around in comfort.
Same with a third gen, ton of hp stock? No, torque yes. different strokes for different folks. Will a new v6 mustang take it in a race? Probabally, would you rather have a v6 mustang? no. If you have a problem with being beat by a v6, mod ur v8. Or just settle down, put a tape in the deck and enjoy your car.
Just remember, have fun.
01-08-2013, 02:41 PM
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Re: if you just bought your first thirdgen READ THIS
What mods needed to keep up with new gt500.
I has a v6 3.1 m5. 88 iroc. That surprises.
I think its a factory freak.
I got called out by a mach1. Should it be a drivers race if i get a cai and gears?
I waana built it to curb stomp cobras. Im not worried about lsjuans.
Im hunting terminators.
I has a v6 3.1 m5. 88 iroc. That surprises.
I think its a factory freak.
I got called out by a mach1. Should it be a drivers race if i get a cai and gears?
I waana built it to curb stomp cobras. Im not worried about lsjuans.
Im hunting terminators.
01-09-2013, 03:38 PM
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That was a rhetorical question. I was asking the guy if he knew. I cant believe any would actual think that.
LOL....none the less-
01-10-2013, 08:47 AM
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Re: if you just bought your first thirdgen READ THIS
I built a TBI 350, ported the stock swirl ports, dropped in a LT1 cam, and made 279 RWHP AND had so much more torque than a LT1. In my heavy old G-van it ran in the mid 15s. It would have dropped right in place of a 305 TBI and pushed even the heaviest open differential thirdgen well into the 13s.