ericjon262

you won't ever find a ford part in my car. I'm going to put a GM 8.5" under my car, but that'll be another thread.

I'm not saying major mods are wrong, but that car is all major mods, there's nothing basic about it. The car is 100% overkill, it just has way too much going on, and to me, I think that makes it ugly. and if you have to change every part of the car that much, than you're really not all that crazy about that car, that car doesn't look like a third gen, it won't handle like a third gen, it won't ride like a thirdgen, ect...

Basically what I'm getting at is the car is starting to lose it's Identity IMO.

ericjon262

Parts don't fit? isn't that what welders are for?

I have nothing wrong with troy's work, mainly the customer's tastes, I am definitely jealous of his talent and his bankroll, I won't lie about that!, it takes ALOT of talent to build something like that, more than I have, and probably ever will, but that car is still ugly.

This is more my tastes

http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/p...es-ttIROC.html


almost a sleeper!

The Project

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About time someone came along to push the boundaries on a 3rd gen.

radical82

wow--another white Camaro.....(yawn). More horsepower then you could ever hope to hook up on the street...

Engines are easy.... Find a good machinist and open the catalog and order parts... check your clearances and bolt it together.

I like big horsepower too, but wrapped up in another plain jane or showroom stock looking body just doesn't interest me. For some of us there's just so much more to Hot Rodding then horsepower. I like the body mods, the more unique, the better. But I also like the car powered by some decent power and a really first rate drivetrain behind it.

Cars for me have to have some unique features, sometimes subtle, sometimes bold that separates them from the rest of the crowd.. Restoring is boring...I mean, what is so kewl about recreating a car who's appearance and styling was designed to appeal to the largest number of people possible?

Bashing someone else's taste in styling or color selection is just plain silly....... Custom cars are never built to appeal to the masses, they only have to appeal to the guy writing the checks for the build!!!!!

wht96

My thoughts exactly, The car is over the top...but don't you think that's what he's going for????? Hell if it wasn't for cars like these we wouldn't have ANY bolt on aftermarket appearance mods. These kinds of cars are what inspires companies and businesses to make "unique" products that we (the guy that doesn't have 60 grand on hand) can buy. when was a last time you saw a concept car that wasn't just a bit over the top...hell even the fifth gen was tweaked and slightly turned down a bit for production. This car has a whole slew of ideas that i guarantee will start to trickle there way into our cars. in some way shape or form.

87WS6

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I kind of go the other way. Most of the custom stuff I've seen doesn't win props for being unique or different. Most of the time it sucks. Many of the custom things I've seen are just horrible even when done "well". Pop up head light deletes, gaudy fourth gen looking Ram Air hoods, rear window louvers and ugly wheels are just a few of the crimes against decency committed against these cars all too frequently. Many cars are irreparably hacked up by people "trying to do something different" and failing to do anything even worth looking at. I say all of this realizing that taste is entirely subjective.

Remember:

ericjon262

I'm a function over form kind of person, not saying I want an ugly car that's fast as all get out, but the big creases running down the side of that car (mimicking a '69 yawn x10 I wish retro died already) don't do anything but add weight and increase drag, and the 2010 style taillights? to me, they just don't fit, they're too big for the rest of the car (just like the stock tails). each to his/her own I guess.

87WS6

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This is definitely a build you will either love or hate. What I don't get is the interior. What the hell is up with that HUGE and hideous transmission tunnel? Why couldn't the stock floor go back in? Or at least, go back in maybe with reinforcement. I don't get the whole "new floor from scratch" idea they went with here.

Personally I rarely like it when these cars are altered too much from their original form. I like more subtle mods. To me this thing just looks like hideous trash that could have been found on the back lot of a Fast & Furious movie set.

radical82

But, like I said that's just your opinion and unless you're the guy writing the checks for the build it just doesn't matter. Then also it's really kewl to joing the crowd and bad mouth the Fast and Furious cars....Man, it was a MOVIE, not reality!!!! and I'll bet the Fast and Furious haters have all seen all of the movies at least once, many probably even paid good money to pay to see it in a theatre!!!!

I much prefer seeing a car built the way the owner really wants it, and not just another copy cat built using only the most popular parts that are used by the majority of owners of similar cars.... Self expression and uniqueness for me is a very welcome change from this politically correct, don't own or wear anything that isn't at the height of fashion, world we have today!!! Heck, build and drive what you want in the way you want it done without regards for anyone's opinion other then your own!!! If it's your car and you like it, that's all that counts. The only criteria that should matter is fit, finish, and detail....everything else is subjective.

Firebat

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Overall, seems cool. A lot of things I'm kind of scratching my head at but maybe like a 1500-piece puzzle it will make sense when its done. As far as the 2010 tails, they don't even look good on the 2010 camaro. But maybe the 2010 stuff is like 4th gen stuff, looks better in or on a thirdgen.

84z .....

that is the nastiest looking 3rd gen there is ! WOW

wish i had all the time and no budget. cant wait to see it finished

Brisk

iTrader: (25)

project is coming along.. its on the cover of hot rod magazine this month

UDAMON

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i think its because they raised the drivetrain into the car to get the car as low to the ground as possible. look how high the top of the wheel wells are.

87WS6

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Could be. Actually that makes perfect sense.

InfernalVortex

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The car looks kind of stupid if you think of it as a 3rd gen. But it kidn of clicked to me that what tehy're doing is a totally one of custom street rod. Like all those hot road coupes sort of inspired by Ford Roadsters. There's not much classic Ford roadster in them anymore, but thats how the idea started.

This isnt a 3rd gen. This is a custom one of a kind street rod with a few thirdgen styling cues. In that sense it's pretty radical, they're treating a 20 year old car design the way these types of outfits generally treat 80 year old car designs. This is what people may be doing in another 50 years to our cars, if hot rodders still exist at all.

chazman

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1992rs/ss

My this is awsome and will be pretty wicked when done. Yea couple minor tweaks I would make if it were my money, overall exciting to see this. They are actually about 20mins from me. I looked into them working on my car a few years back and they were very open to a thirdgen, but dear lord, you better have a big check ready. Avg project for them was something like $40k. Too rich for my blood

..Just A Kid

..*waiting*

Arizona IROC

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I like it alot. Troy always builds top notch rides but this one seems a little less subtle then past works like Sicfish.

That rear wing for example is just too cool IMO.

You wont catch me trash talking these big Boys anymore. Last time I did Bob Johnson threatened to punch me next time he sees me over comments I made on his G-force 'CUDA..........

(not kidding) He's probably forgotten about that by now right??

dealbatony

the car it self is pretty nice considering the amount of work that been put into it is pretty crazy..i wanna see that car painted already i think that will change alot of minds..specially if its a nice color n not some pimp my ride ridiculous color!
and also those big as* rims ruin the car..slap some deep rims in a gunmetal finish n itll be nice.. chrome to me is boring..and soooooo 90's lol

Pairof91rss

Heres my opinion...

Like a lot of you guys, Im stoked to see that a 3rd gen is getting some serious attention. Once finished, this car will be all over the magazines, and 3rd gens will be the new trend for customizers. (Read: prices skyrocket!!!) Hopefully a whole new batch of aftermarket and performance goodies will come along with that. Hold on to your 3rd gen, 'cause if you decide later that you want another one...good luck finding one!

neomene

sweet project!! That car is gonna get more looks then any modded GM car that age to date.

Call it what ever you want if you don't want to call it a camaro but I appreciate people thinking out side the box. It gets me thinking out side the box about what i would prefer to do and hell, if i were going to spend a ridiculous amount of money on a customized car (what ever it is or isn't) i would expect a ridiculous amount of customization, wouldn't you? (i'm not sayin i would necessarily spend a ridiculous amount of money on a customized car though)

Stephen

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That nose they built is coming out pretty cool. Anybody know what that rear pan that they mocked up, is off of?

Abubaca

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Radical82, no one may care what the haters think, but quite frankly no one cares what you think either. The only people who count are the builder and customer, beyond that, we're just members of a website and no ones opinion is more right or wrong than anyone elses.

What's more impressive, someone who dedicates their life to hot-rodding, and learning the necessary skills to build this car, or the school teacher who tinkers in his garage on weekends to make a part from car A fit into car B? What about the guy who hand builds his own 300 hp motor, or the guy who buys a 600 hp engine pre built and ready to drop in? It's all hot-rodding, and we all have our own like and dislikes.

wwwyzzerdd

i like it, i definitely wouldnt hack my car up, im more of a stock guy i guess, but its still really awesome looking, cant wait to see what it looks like finished

Twin_Turbo

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the more it progresses the less I like it, not for the parts and craftsmanship,...those are awesome but it looks like something out of a transformers movie. Yuck!

avilla20

ugghh i know i saw it on the cover got so excited and i bought that dang magazine without thinking twice........only one small picture of it with no good explanation in the mag i got so let down, and thoughts of this car has been teasing me, until now, i like it i think its awesome workmanship....

on another note i like that black scale plastic body they are using in the last three pics...anyone have any ideas were they could have gotten it, ive been dying to get a third gen body for my 1/12 scale r/c car....

radical82

Huh??? What is it you have issues with? I said build what you want and to heck with what others think.... and now you wanna make it sound like something else??? Geesh, gimme a break~~~!!!!

RSFreak

And getting uglier...

Stephen

iTrader: (12)

Was that the March issue? I found this pic, but never got the magazine. I get Car Craft, not Hot Rod.

ericjon262

There was no article, just a pic and a caption.

speed88

I can appreciate the skill and workmanship that has gone into this car, but it's just not my thing. Overall, I think it looks stupid!

skinny z

http://www.radrides.com/proj.htm

Here's a link.
Click on the F87 Raptor.

avilla20

with the up date chapter two of this build, they have gone over board now in my own opinion looks like a failed prop car that never came out in mad maxx and is getting ready for fast and furious5.

Kandied91z

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highly disappointed..

Sinister Z

I think that it's a cool, radical looking build so far, yes it's different compared to a regular 3rd gen. Camaro but that's what he wants...it is HIS choice to do what he wants with his car!

I have been following up on that build and the comments on here from some people who trash it because it doesn't look look like a "regular 3rd gen." anymore...maybe some of you haters should look at your own car and concentrate on it than rather trash talking anothers build, if he wanted it it stock looking...I am pretty sure he would've kept it that way, for the time & money that is invested in the build, he can do whatever he wants...perhaps I sense a little jealousy here and not everyone can afford a project like that!

I have seen some pretty bad jobs on here where some people say "nice car" and to me those are some of the worst rust buckets, cheap jobs, hacked up cars that are just not worth any praise at all...but to each their own...some will like it & some will hate it, that's life!

bad86z28

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I wouldn't describe it as "ugly" or "stupid". I would say its just too busy. Its almost as if they're trying to do too much to it. There are some aspects of it that I like, but when you put them all together it just seems like its over the top. Then again, I'm more of a "less is more" kinda person. Most the other cars built by Rad Rides are smooth, sleek and simple...this one, not so much. But, hey, if that's what the owner wants, more power to him. Its definitely one of a kind.

obrien

Maybe im just weird, but id totally pay them to turn my t-tops into a hardtop. Mine dont even leak.

radical82

This to me is the whole reason to build a radical custom, it's what the owner wants!!! I doubt he conducted a survey to decide what most people would want to see him have built, he more then likely had his own ideas and either he or someone he hired put them into an artist's concept type of drawing and Troy went from there.

If folks were to ever work in a shop where custom work is done, they would find out that the daily routine involves doing a lot of things in a style you don't like, only the man with the checkbook has to like it!!!!

Congrats to the build crew for their usual first rate, over the top craftsmanship, and congrats to the owner for having built what he wants and not bowing to peer pressure to create a car that would be more appealing to the masses---but not to him!!!

Dare to be different!

ATX-Iroc

I think its amazing for what that guy is no doubt forking out the car should be something never seen on earth. Yall havent seen it with paint sittin on its own wheels yet. I cant judge it til its done, it would be like going to a barber shop and stopping half way through the cut, of course it will look bad.

85projectZ28

I think it looks awesome! It is coming along quite well. I like what they did with the roof, the door handles and the front bumper! I guarantee replicas of the bumper and other parts that you see on this car are going to start showing up all over the web once this car is finalized. It is a radical third gen and finally someone is taking the time to show the world what our cars can do with a little bit of work and creativity (well, actually a lot of those). It was featured in the September 2010 issue of Camaro performers! Thats its second magazine appearance that I know of. Plus have you heard about the engine??? A twin turbo that puts out almost 1800HP!!!!!!! This is just amazing! Like it or not, ALL OF US will be envious when this is done! I already am!

D.ynamic

..i love the over the top-ness of it, Im guessing about 2% of the enthusiast population we'll be able to match/copy/clone/etc the craftmanship or $$$ being put into it. These mods aren't likely to become trendy, it's only one Camaro, and it's not worth bashing something you don't get to see everyday. Maybe if everyone and there mother were trying to do it, then it could be seen as bothersome or nauseating.

..I hate trendy and prefer being the underdog but after this F87 is completed, surely our cars'll get more popular..some people will hop on the bandwagon just because, the aftermarket'll follow with parts. Good w/ the bad..but progress is progress and i think it'll be better for us in the end. So even though its not my particular cup of Joe (no pun intended), I respect it.

Camaroguy6984

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hmm.... i dunno if i like it.... ill have to see it when its done....

MotorMouth

I like to see mods that look like they belong on a car and function in some way. A nice sculpture will always be nice. A canvas with paint splashed on it will always look like a mess. This project is the latter. I have been to 1 custom car show in Charlotte at the Convention Center downtown and seen all those gold plated trailer queens. I can appreciate all of the work and money put into them but... ugly is still "butt" ugly.

Manovox

Car is awesome but really dont like the tailights!

JimmyDavidson

After looking through all the pictures I can say wow, that's a lot of work. I don't like most of the exterior appearance mods like the trans am style diffuser, the part of the spoiler that wraps around the side and comes forward, and the side accents from the fender flare to the door.

I think the car would have looked a lot better with out those things I pointed out, and maybe if it had 70-73 Camaro taillights instead of the 5th gen ones.

I like that they made the front bumper out of steel, I wish I could do that instead of having a warped front bumper. That last few pictures showing the side exhaust location is really cool, I like how they incorporated it.

The work itself is excellent, but the design falls short(or should I say overboard) It'll still be a pretty cool car to see, but not my style.

I like subtle differences, ones that you don't notice, but when you do you'll never forget them.

85projectZ28

The car is looking amazing! I cant wait to see it finished! Have you seen what they did with the headlights??? I love it!!!! I hope they mass produce those head lights! I would definately get them! I also hope they paint the car black. That would look killer!!!!

RubberDucky

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If you finish the slide show it's done. Plus those look like BMW E36 headlights, but I may be wrong.

Project-RS

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i catch alot of hell for the custom work im doing. i even left a few websites because of the constant bashing. i give props for the work there doing, but my only thing is, is the more they do the less the original 3rd gen is left.

KMK454

Love the craftsmanship, dislike the art/design. I think they should have done nice and classy GFX incorporated with slightly more subtle fender flares and a more aggressive spoiler.