IROCThe5.7L

Remember, just because it costs more dosent mean its better


"hate camaro owners who seem to think they have the cats *** of f bodies"


Its all preference.

You got people thinkin camaros are the best. Then you got people like yourself who think birds are the best.

It seems to me that you think you have the "cats *** of the f bodies" - lol


"the reason there are so many camaros is becouse its the number 1 teen car..........."

Im sorry, but NOW 3rd gen firebirds sell no more then 3rd gen camaros. Maybe there were alot more camaros produced in the 80's because they were in higher demand then the firebird? Dont quote me on that, just a guess.

QwkTrip

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Chill people. We're not Borg.... we're allowed to have preferences.

blackZ28

lets face they are both bad @ss and it is all personal preference. I myself coudn't make up my mind when looking for a new car all i knew is that i wanted a 3rd gen. I ended up wth an 82 Z and i m happy with it but then again i look in here and see some sick birds and it makes me think. in my opinion the Camaro looks meaner with its headlights set in staring you down but the Firebird looks sportier with more curves.

ONEFORMULAOVERALL

DA BIRD

ONEFINE8T9

ya but id take my car over yours, u may have a 350 but driving an automatic car is about as fun as stareing at a wall, and 86fyrbirds car is fine if your into the 4th gen wanna be thing, nothing agianst his car its just not my thing, just like camaros. BTW i prefer firebirds w out ground FX, im not biased either i also own a 33000 mile bright yellow(factory) 85 trans am with the LB9 and i still think the tapered body of the standard firebird with the wide WS.6 wheels look mean, but its just my opinion........bottom line id take my firebirds over n e camaro reguardless of year type or model. im just a firebird guy and weather camaros want to admit it or not they are the nicer cars.....

IROCThe5.7L

Guys theres no sense to even saying ones better then the other. All Anyone can say here is "I perfer this..."

As long as its good ole American Muscle

I wonder how high this polls gonna get.


Camaro 64 63.37%
Firebird 37 36.63%

KlayBuRn

prolly high...its better to have a firebirds or camaros than hondas and other crap, and as for how high the poll is gonna get, i dont know about you, but my damn inbox is fillin up faster than most cars on this board

IROCThe5.7L

Thats what Im tryin to say! I don't want to see anyone argue about it. There all great cars!!


LOL You have that option turned on? Lmao your box probably has 500 messages.


Go to the "User Cp" and go to edit options, then
uncheck "Use 'Email Notification' by default? Using this option emails you whenever someone replies to a thread that you have participated in"

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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LOL, the misinformation and complete BS posted by ONEFINE8T9 is amusing. I will say u have a nice car there though, but, EVERY1 is NOT going to like the same exact thing as u no matter what u say or do. Your OPINION is YOUR opinion.

I and lots of others disagree with u. Thats just the way it is. I like Camaros better, I think THIRD GEN Camaros especially look better, and they obviously do because they sold more (Always did and Still do) and are more sought after than Firebirds. I like certain models of both cars more than others. IMO no Firebird can match the looks of an IROC-Z28 and some Z28's. I do like some TAs, the 84's especially and 80's Formulas, but DEFINETLY still not as much as those Camaros. I don't like the Firebird interiors as much, same with their exterior. Camaros don't try to be Corvettes like Firebirds, they are what they were meant to be, Tough American MuscleCars. They look like it and have that personality while being the more well known and liked car. ALSO u are wrong, the Firebird is a taken apart Camaro that Pontiac has always had to try to make look different and have a different personality, and they use Chevrolets engines. (80's to now) Guess what divison did ALL the design work on the F-Body???? Chevrolet, thats right Chevy. They did it ALL. The Camaro is the 1st F-Body and the original F-Body. Pontiac never even wanted a car like the Camaro or F-Body, they never even liked the idea but went along with it anyway, and have always had to make as many changes as possible to their Chevy designed car to be different from the Camaro. Camaros are cooler, faster (Third Gen), lighter, can handle better (IROC-Z's), and have that feel and look of a real musclecar over the Firebirds I Want To Be A Sportscar More Than A Musclecar feel and look. Thats MO, and you're probably going to find that its most peoples opinion.

ImportsRsloths

GOFASTER?!?! you are a complete DUNCE!

88 WS6 TransAm GTA

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Ok... all thirdgens rock. They arent Fords. They arent Rice Burners... but, I have to say this:

1. Firebirds are more aerodynamic than camaros, hence them being faster.

2. Same weight.

3. Handling... lets not forget the GTA's, WS6...

4. Feel exactly the same... after all, they were all designed by chevy werent they?

5. Oh yeah... and just because Firebirds had nicer interior and had a way nicer body style, doesent mean they were sports cars!

Happy Holidays Everyone!

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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Yes they are both cool cars, but the Camaro is cooler. MO.

1. That aerodymanic advantage is good for what, 1-2HP at 90MPH?? LOL Makes pretty much no difference. U want something that actually does make a difference?? The Camaros better designed air intake on TPI cars, that is some thing that makes a difference in HP.

2. They are NOT the same weight at all. There are many models that are different in weight. The Camaros were mostly and usually lighter in the mid 80's to early 90's. An IROC-Z is definetly lighter than a GTA and is lighter than an equally optioned Formula by about 30lbs. Lighter is always good for speed.

3. IROC suspension is tighter than WS6 suspension, the Camaro's weight advantage helps handling also when compared to the Firebirds. The suspension makes for better handling, but a rougher ride than the Firebirds have.

4. They don't feel the same, both cars have their own personal characteristics and differences. Designed by Chevy yes, but Pontiac obviously doesn't want to sell a Camaro if Chevy is. They want to sell the Pontiac version.

5. That is your opinion, I and many, like the Camaro's int. and ext. better and think they are nicer. Pontiac did take a more sportscar approach with the looks, suspension, options, and going for a different market than the Camaro. The Camaro instead, stayed the musclecar its always been.

Kj Rockz

Oh ya, lets keep the comments coming


This is very interesting

ONEFINE8T9

i appriciate the compliment, and i am not expecting everyone to like the same thing as i do, thats one of the biggest reasons i love firebirds is becouse everyone is into camaros. Its always camaro vs mustang or camaro ECT.......not many people are into firebirds and thats what i love about my cars is becouse its rare to see thirdgen firebirds done the right way , but in all seriousness the reason camaros sell more is becouse theyre cheaper, simple as that. Firebirds are the more expensive car.


allow me to analyze(sp)

if u want a more exotic european looking car with a cockpit like interior than go with firebird. Its a bit more dramatic and with the pop up headlights nothing screams exotic more

if u want that american muscle bare look than camaros your car. Camaros arent quite as dramatic looking as firebirds. Camaros look mean firebirds look smooth. Both can get the same motors and both handle about the same. The 30 LBS between a camaro and a firebird isnt gona make or break a race.

ONEFINE8T9

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blue86iroc

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I've always understood the Firebird to be a sort of a "luxury" Camaro. Still, there's something about the "rough" look of a Camaro that I like. I can picture a Camaro with a loud exhaust and a powerful engine, growlin' at ya. However, I just can't get that same picture with a Firebird -- It just doesn't seem appropriate; I'm not sure why.

Now, i'm not saying that Firebirds aren't powerful cars; the loud appearance doesn't seem to fit in my mind. That's why Firebirds are different from Camaros in terms of appearance and "aura."

Either way, all Third Gens are good. My vote goes to the Camaro

86Street

damn onefine8t9.you seem very bias.just b/c you have a firebird doesnt mean one thing.it is obvious that there are more camaro's b/c they are a better car.faster.better looking.there is more of a market out there for camaro's than birds.why could that be.hmmm i dont know.maybe b/c THEY ARE BETTER.

jobryan26

Dude you just did exactly what you claimed onefine8t9 does Anyway Yep in many cases the Camaro was faster in stock trim than most Firebirds do to a better intake for one reason. And yes the the Firebirds weighed alittle more because they have flip-up headlights and ALOT more options that were available like Digital Dash, Steering wheel controls and etc. But there is a reason why there were more specialty cars that were built off the Firebird line than the Camaro line like the FireHawk, TTA, Pro Am, Bandit II's, and etc. How many Thirdgen Camaro's were special or limited editions? Because the Firebirds are more rare and not as common as the
Firebirds which is a good thing for us.

MetalliCamaroRS

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Yeah... because that isn't biased..

1982chevycamaroz28

i think the camaro looks better becuz it doesnt look like an arrow, the camaro kinda keeps sum of the features of the old ones abit. well i just have to say CAMARO'S kick A$$.

Crusader

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Well in that case, we all own inferior cars to Ford's Mustang Mustang's out sell Firebirds and Camaro's COMBINED so it must be the better car We should all dump our shitty *** F-body's for the better Ford, after all it outsells so it MUST be better

IROCThe5.7L

Lmfao HAHA

88 WS6 TransAm GTA

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Ok, even though your all my f-body cousins, Im gonna have side with ONEFINE8T9... after all, he is one of my fellow Firebird Brothers!!!

ChevyLuva3

I voted Camaro, way better looking, KITT car is hot tho. Just to see who likes what, I own a Camaro, my sisters have owned Firebirds, my bro has owned two Mustangs, but that goes to show girls like Firebirds better, although one of my sis did own a Camaro

...great poll, check out the next best poll in the TECH/general engine forum, its 350 auto vs. 305 manual... check it out

BTW, 88 WS6 Trans Am GTA, how does your hypertech stage II chip work? Is it really good? You recommend it?

88 WS6 TransAm GTA

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The Hypertec stage II is junk... the only thing it got me was $170 worth of debt! I noticed no increased performance.
If I had the time, I would get into prom burning... maybe this summer. IMO, its not wort it at all... spend the money on some woth while mods.

ONEFINE8T9

lol im glad i wasnt the only one who noticed that


and yes 88ws6transam GTA i certianly a fellow firebird lover.


BTW the camaros intake on certain TPI cars was so minimal that ud probably be talking a difference of 1 to 2 hp

Ions91Z28

Well, was going to avoid the stupid agruement, but decided to join it.

Camaro are better for: They have much more heritage. When you say SS, the average person says Super Sport... my dad used to... You say WS6... they ask what is that. You here Camaro Vs. Mustang, no where is ponatic in that. The pony wars were mostly between Mustang and Camaro with the exceptional Chrysler. Firebirds came about because the camaro was made, if it hadn't been produced the firebird would have never been made. If your a religious fan, think of the camaro as Adam and firebird as the Eve.

Firebirds are better for: Well, some people like thier looks, they have a marked up price and offer options sometimes camaros don't. As stated above, they hold their value a little better, but you also pay more. So not really making much their. There is more collectors edition of the firebirds, just no one has ever heard of them and they rarely sell. A Lexus ES300 is based off a camary platform. Does that instantly make it better? It has a slightly nicer interior, and you pay alot more... it must be alot better. It doesn't work like that.

Of course, that's all in fun. I like both, but I'm bias towards the camaro, if it wasn't, I wouldn't have bought one. In all years, except late second gens. I like the firebird better in those years. Even today I like the SS better than the WS6. Except the 35th vs. CE edition, the CE edition looks better to me.


Also, camaros have better looking wheels. I like the GTAs though. The rest I like camaro better. The firebirds usually have better interior, though like the wheels, just an opinion.

Which one is more popular? Look at the poll, it proves that the camaro is more popular.

Which one is better? Who knows.. that's all personal opinion. Depends on what your after, what you want out of the car. These cars are so closely based on each other, it usually comes down to looks. Majority liked the camaro better.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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Actually no. It was a good restriction that any person who has sense or experience with cars should never do to an intake. The Camaro intake that is on all TPI Camaros is much better and less restrictive, more like the Corvette intake, which should be good for maybe 5-10HP over the Firebird intake. Why do u think all Firebird specs on TPI cars is at least that much lower than the Camaros?? (The specs in the Tech Data section of this site are all Camaro specs) No1 can say that it was marketing either, because if that was, there would be a difference in ALL Third Gen engines not just ONLY TPI engines. This would also be 1 of the reasons for Camaros constantly running better times than the TPI Firebirds in tests when they were new.

Oh and check this out, in 87 a base Firebird with the 2.8 MPFI 5-Speed is tested and runs an 11.5 in the 0-60. Then in the same year 1 of the 2.8 5-Speed Camaro RS's that were only available in certain areas is tested and runs a 10.4 0-60. These cars were both rated the same. It looks like Pontiac just took Chevys rating again for their car engine without testing it themselves with their crazy intake. (TPI and MPFI have pretty much the same intake with little differences for V8 and V6 engines) I know many things could have contributed to the slower time being so much, but its still gonna be slower with that intake.

camaro6spd

my take on it....
Firebirds look nice, but the 91s and up look like they are trying too hard to be....well look fast . The camaro has a more layed back but still "built" look ....I dunno the Firbirds look too damn gaudy....the only ones I kinda like are the 85-90(89??) bodies....

ONEFINE8T9

lol ok becouse of your proclaimed 5 to 10 hp advantage the camaro has ur telling me it will make almost a full second difference 0-60?? lol please.......granted camaro came out first but firebird was for the people who wanted an f body that was better than camaro, ok face it, firebird is an improved camaro. ok u take ur 5 hp advantake, ill take the nicer interior/wheels the car with more options and the car that is more attractive looking. camaros are great, u see one like every block but u almost never see a real nice thirdgen firebird that was nice enough to stick in your head. ok camaros are cheaper more people have them there fore camaro will win the poll, its no great science.........

MetalliCamaroRS

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Very well stated Ions.
Too much talking as if opinions are fact- "ill take the nicer interior/wheels the car with more options and the car that is more attractive looking". Its not like its a known fact that the interior is nicer, the wheels are nicer, and the car is more attractive looking. To me, I like the seats better in a Firebird. But I don't like the gauges or dash at all compared to the Camaro's. The wheels, I can't stand, except the crosslace ones. Camaro rims aren't the best, but I like more of them. I like both styles of IROC rims, and I like the 91/92 Z28 rims. I think Camaros are better looking, but I also can admit to some Camaros being ugly as sin and some Firebirds being absolutely amazing.

Bottom line here: No car is clearly better than the other. It all comes down to opinion. People like what they like, and since they like it, they will tend to believe its a simple fact that it is better.

Ions91Z28

ok u take ur 5 hp advantake, ill take the nicer interior/wheels the car with more options and the car that is more attractive looking. camaros are great, u see one like every block but u almost never see a real nice thirdgen firebird that was nice enough to stick in your head. ok camaros are cheaper more people have them there fore camaro will win the poll, its no great science.........


Wow, pretty thick headed. I thought I was.

Nicer interior? Personal choice... I do hear the seats are slightly nicer, but I think the way it's setup (guages and such) look worse than camaro.

Nicer Wheels? Right..... that's why you see 16", 17", 18", 20" chrome, polished, standard firebird wheels... oh wait, that's IROC. Why 85-92 camaro wheels are highly sought after while ONLY the GTA rims are usually sought after. Once again your opinion, but we'll ignore what I said above and keep it opinion based.

Car with more options. Well, atleast it does have one thing going for it... maybe that's the whole higher price thing... or maybe you just like paying higher for something because it makes you feel better. You can't seem to name anything that makes it better (remember facts, not opinions) but you feel proud you paid more. Nice work.

If they had came out of the factory looking better we wouldn't have had this problem (opinion based). Look how many people on here like peoples IROCs that are stock and have no wheel changes or anything. How about firebirds, with the few exceptions not many.

Or maybe it's because they look better... no wait... you say they are uglier. Nevermind, it's impossible for them to look better. Problem solved there, your right about that one... anyone catch on to the sarcasim yet?

AGRESSIVE RACER

I like both. I would love a black 91-92 Z28, but I still love my Red GTA and my brothers White 91 Z28.

86Street

i would rather have a camaro as you can tell.it is a true muscle car.then the firebird came out for those people that just want to spend more money on a screwed up camaro.look at them.they are the same but the front and rear.and the dash.i hate the firebird dash.and remember we are talking 3rd gen not 4th gen.there is a difference.yes you see more camaro's but like said already.they are all sastified stock.no problems with stock camaro's.but only the gta's are good enough stock for most people.so ya see.it is all proven right here in this post and the ones above which is truley a better car.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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"lol ok becouse of your proclaimed 5 to 10 hp advantage the camaro has ur telling me it will make almost a full second difference 0-60??"

LOL no. The message was that the Firebird intake stinks compared to the Camaros and that even though Pontiac didn't put out the actual numbers the engine made with their intake (being less) and just used Chevys rating instead, it was visable to see how much slower the Firebird was with that and its added weight.

"granted camaro came out first but firebird was for the people who wanted an f body that was better than camaro, ok face it, firebird is an improved camaro."

No. Pontiac had to give the car a different image because it would just be another Camaro, they had no choice. It didn't make it better thats for sure. More expensive and less musclecarlike maybe.

"ok u take ur 5 hp advantake, ill take the nicer interior/wheels the car with more options and the car that is more attractive looking. camaros are great, u see one like every block but u almost never see a real nice thirdgen firebird"

I'd rather have the intake, the Camaro is A musclecar, it wants to be fast. It looks like a musclecar, the Firebird doesn't. The wheels and options are opinion. I like some Firebird wheels, but not as much as IROC rims (especially) or Z28's thats for sure. I have no need for all those int. options either, and they add weight. I like the Camaro int. better. U don't see many nice Firebird because not many bought them, people liked the Camaro better.

"ok camaros are cheaper more people have them there fore camaro will win the poll, its no great science"

It has nothing to do with cheaper. A person that likes a specific car is going to buy what they like no matter the price, they'll just wait until they can afford it. There isn't THAT much of a difference in price between the 2 cars, and the Firebirds didn't get more expensive until the GTA, and the Camaro even sold better before the GTA when Firebird prices were lower. They sold better when the prices were close and they sold better when prices weren't. The Camaro is the more liked car, thats all.

U can tell just by looking at them both which looks like the musclecar and which looks like the sportscar. Thats enough of this.

c-5invalid

it all depends on what type of firebird, if you look at
cg91ta's bird you see the stunning groundfx however i got a thing for the camaro i voted camaro... beter looks hands down

camaros look more agressive...

jobryan26

WoW I can't believe this hasn't gotten locked! Hum everyone must be more worried about what their getting for christmas

formula90

well.... I prefer Firebird. #1.. everyone is right....and I agree..maybe the bird does not look "muscular" ahem....it wasnt supposed to look like that ...

I prefer Formula actually. But, since we are talking base model to base model... well....

first we shall talk about looks....

gentlemen...its all about T and A

if you were to chop off the front clip and the rear clip, most people and I am not saying everyone, but most, would not be able to tell the difference between the two twins.
now that being said, let me say this.....it is all about the front and rear fascias. Now tell me if I am full of $hit or not, but, I believe the rear license plate plastered between the rear tailights of the camaro just looks alittle bit rushed to say it lightly. I know this has to flap down for gas but, at least it is functionable....

And for the front fascia, this is what "truelly" sets the 2 twins apart. The one thing that makes us bird owners look so bad is the worn out flip-up headlights. but, when they are fixed and working the way the are supposed to, the car is sexy. And who cares about which front you choose, 82-90 or 91-92, they all look good in some way. in general, the firebird was meant to be sleak, stealth and just more appealing to the eye, and have the stuff to back it up. which leads me to my next point...

Interior... hands down....firebird...shall we rehash all this again

And finally, performance...

my friends...i do not mean to break the news, but, there really is NO difference... yea yea yea... argue all you want, but there isnt...what the firebird lacks in some areas, it makes up for in others..and i am talking performance here, not interior folks.

There is a reason why I drive Firebird...and that is because it is not as "in vogue" as the camaro. I have liked them since the early 80's and I still like em....
After thinking about this debate, I would like to share, Do you really want to know the biggest differenece between these 2 cars are?


The Driver...........

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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formula90, everything u just stated was opinion. The differences and advantages I stated weren't. The licence being where it is, is what Chevy did with alot or most of their cars in the 80's. Would u like both cars to have the same taillights?? Also the licence does not flip over for fuel, its for the trunk key, no1 sees it, instead of being right in the taillight like Firebirds.

formula90

HAHAHA!! Fair enough.. but who needs to use 2 hands to open the hatch!!

yea that is opinion as i failed to state..i guess there really isnt no such thing as a perfect post huh!

take care...


btw..I wont edit my previous post to save my @ss

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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LOL!! They are really both cool cars though, its just which 1 u like more.

formula90

I have been known to sneak a peek at a camaro or 2 in my day.
Im off to bed.....take care. Happy holidays...

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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Same here for me with Firebirds. Same to u also.

Kj Rockz

Boy you too are in the assss kicking mood, huh???

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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Dude, I have had enough of this topic already. Look how many times I had to reply to this thing. This is where it should be locked. CAMARO!!

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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Dude, I have had enough of this topic already. Look how many times I had to reply to this thing. This is where this topic should be locked. CAMARO!!

ONEFINE8T9

all i am gonna say is there is a reason firebird cost more. Not becouse GM wanted to jack the price up, becouse it is the bettwr car and still holds true today. Power wise camaro and firebird may as well be the same so stop already with ur 5hp becouse of induction. If thats all u camaro owners can come up with over the firebirds than i am done with this conversation. I still cant believe this is an issue. I am not sayin camaro wasnt nice but from the factory firebird was meant to be better. Is someone going to seriously tell me other wise?? the cheaper carbeing better from the same company?? it would be like compareing navigator to expidition. Both the same but the navigator is the more desireable SUV between the 2. For some odd reason though u seem to see more expiditions than navigators......hmmm i wonder why that is........

BTW who ever said camaros have the nicer guages are u high?? when was the last timeu looked inside say an 86 camaro IROC Z?? lol thos back lit guages are a joke, they use clear light bulbs and more times than not are hard to see. Now go step inside an 86 trans am and tell me the same about that..........its not about personal opinion the bird has a nicer interior why is it so hard for camaro owners to admit it? no year camaro had as nice of an interior as n e year firebird. Firebird also had more of a selection of wheels, camaro had the standard 5 spoke, than came out with an identical one for iroc only 16 inch. to the best of my knowledge there where like 4 types of WS.6 wheels for firebird(the 87-92 formula,grey crosslace,gold crosslace,the 85-87 trans am wheels), than there where pop up headlights, now while that a little more opinion based it was still an expensive option camaro didnt have, Firebird was designed to be smooth, sleak and somewhat luxorious with the power of a camaro. Does n e one see where i am coming from?

BTW i dotn think camaro got a power antenna either did they??

jobryan26

I have to say it's been very interesting that's for sure. I know everyone has their likes but the last few posts is what makes this board and everyone here so great! All tho we don't agree, in the end we're all lovers of our 3rd Gens and friends. I hope everyone has a good Christmas!!

Third

The price difference between Camaros and Firebirds is nowhere near the difference between Navigators and Expeditions. You're delusional. Look at the poll results and live with it.

IROCThe5.7L

Yea I got one on mine. Its the best part of the car!