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camaro6spd · 11-22-2002, 07:20 AM

Scamatics.....(spelling is wrong) get we get some?

brodyscamaro · 11-22-2002, 07:50 AM

the is pretty damn cool. i would definately have that patented if i were you ASAP

redraif · 11-22-2002, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by 91RedBigFinZ
Oh, and for some reason the title of the post is fingerprint ignition.. when it should be fingerprint entry system. My bad, I was thinking ahead of myself i guess.

Next Project, right! :sillylol: Again awesome job!

Dewey316 · 11-22-2002, 01:45 PM

if you are storing the whole print.... what happens if you cut the finger that you programed into the system? do you not drive your car until it heals, and hope it doesn' t leave a scar?

brodyscamaro · 11-22-2002, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by Dewey316
if you are storing the whole print.... what happens if you cut the finger that you programed into the system? do you not drive your car until it heals, and hope it doesn' t leave a scar?

you can program what did he say 20 or 200 fingers into the system. put all ten in there just in case. then others that you trust. am i right here?

spike1856 · 11-22-2002, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by Dewey316
if you are storing the whole print.... what happens if you cut the finger that you programed into the system? do you not drive your car until it heals, and hope it doesn' t leave a scar?

I'm sure if it was ever produced commercially (and perhaps this is already true of it, I don't see anything about it in the other posts), it would have the ability to store at least a small handful of valid fingerprints. Say, you could store your right thumb, your left ring finger, your wife/sig. other's left thumb and right index finger, a mechanic's thumb if you ever have to take it to a shop (I assume you can clear the memory at any point)... etc. Enough storage space to store those who tamper with it (as suggested earlier) would be way too much, but surely the system would have enough for at least half a dozen valid prints?

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First, brody beat me to it. Second, I found the post that says you can store 200 prints.

91RedBigFinZ · 11-23-2002, 07:30 AM

Dewey316: Actually, the point of memorizing the entire print is to make it recognizable when it is wet, dry, if you gain or lose weight, if it is dirty, and if it is cut. Of course, if it is cut so badly that you have stiches or something it probably wouldnt work.

brodyscamaro: yes, 200 prints can be stored. The more you have in there, the less chance of being locked out if you get some of your fingers cut off. If you lose all 10 fingers, I don't think you would be driving.

spike1856: yes... what you said. yes, the memory can be erased, and you could just give the mechanic the key if you didn't want him to mess with it.

Doug

Trans Am · 11-23-2002, 03:56 PM

Dood put me first on the list.I want one

RMK · 11-23-2002, 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by devianb
The only car James Bond should ever drive is an Aston Martin.

You're spot on with that one.

MdFormula350 · 11-24-2002, 03:03 PM

thats some great work their!!

redbird_400 · 11-24-2002, 06:14 PM

You mean to tell me that thing is real? KRAP! You know that would sell. You can probably make a load off of that! The new keyless entry system for the year 2005!!!!!! People will start cutting fingers off to rob carz!

bigals87z28 · 11-25-2002, 02:40 AM

DAM EE's! hehehe beeing a frosh. engineer...(went in as a ME, gunna go IE) i love to see engineers shapping the world! ahahahaha! cant wait till my turn

Nightcruzer · 11-25-2002, 09:28 PM

The proof that creativity and hot rodding will live well into the 21st century.

irocbarry · 11-25-2002, 11:53 PM

damn

thats all i can say

damn

B4Ctom1 · 11-25-2002, 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by 91RedBigFinZ
The only problem with selling these is that Purdue owns part of it since i developed it for a class.

Intellectual property is a bitch ain't it

Awsome job, an A+ in my book. Im curious what the rate of "try and fail" for the recognition is per 100 tries with a person that has no experience using this device. do you try a few times till you learn the pest way to place your finger and pressure to avoid distortion of the print? would a person with no experience when tasked to try it, fail to open it say the first 5, 10, 15, 20 times they ever tried even if the print is a saved/regonised/allowed one?

Jim 86 Bird · 11-26-2002, 12:56 AM

From an EE major point of view, this kicks ***. EXCELLENT job there

While I don't think I'll be doing this to my car anytime soon, if you have any more info (schematics and such) on the system it'd be cool just to take a look at it sometime

HamSpiced · 11-26-2002, 09:17 AM

What class did you do this for? im pretty interested in it and class scheduling is coming up....i just dont think my college has such an awesome program.

anyway thatd be sweet just to know how to wire stuff liek that.

Charyou Tree · 11-26-2002, 09:29 AM

How long does validation take?

Pretty cool...

nedry · 11-26-2002, 09:51 AM

Congratulations on graduation. Interesting project... I may have to get that fitted to the doors when I build my KARR replica (KITT's evil "older brother" from "Knight Rider"). Next step, as somebody already said, has gotta be fingerprint ignition...

Have a good one, everybody. Gotta go tangle with my Speech prof...

soulbounder · 11-26-2002, 10:07 AM

91RedBigFinZ, I remember reading that they used some kind of special gel that solidified enough to place over your finger. Something very thin. The only thing they did was picked up a glass that someone just drank from, put their gel covered finger directly over one of the prints on the glass and that was about it. They went to one of his fingerprint security devices and it worked. Last I heard is that they tested the "gel trick" in a lab over and over and have about a 98% accuracy with it.

Anyway. I really don't think anyone will ever have to worry about that, lol. I don't think anyone would ever want to go through that much trouble to steal a car.

Once again, great job. Heck, if you ever sell these I probably will buy one.

91RedBigFinZ · 11-26-2002, 11:16 PM

B4Ctom1: From my experience, experience is everything. Even with one print stored, I almost never get rejected. The reason is because I know how and where to place the finger, but most importantly - I am consistent. Doing the same thing every time will allow access nearly every time. New people usually get rejected at least once, but then I remind them how to place their finger on the sensor, and they get verified every time. The learning process isn't rocket science, and consistency is more important than method.

HamSpiced: I am doing this for a senior design project class. Actually, my major is Electrical Engineering Technology. We get to choose our own projects, design build and test them all in a year-long class (although I did mine in one semester) People do everything from amplifiers to telephones.

Charyou Tree: From the time the finger is placed on the scanner, the doors are unlocked in 2 seconds or less.

Doug

crumblinghevens · 11-27-2002, 12:35 AM

Holy ****!!! :hail: That is the coolest thing I've ever seen!

As for patents, I do know that if you can produce something similar, yet performs the same function, you should be able to patent it. Of course, even if the university owns half the property, I don't think they would object if say....GM or someone offered a substantial sum for the idea. If they where not willing to share the money, I'm sure some legal persuasion would change thier opinion. After all, you designed and built it.

That aside, congrats! I would be among many people who would love to own a car with that on it, and if this is a sample of what you can do, I expect a very prosperous future for you.

redraif · 11-27-2002, 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by crumblinghevens
Holy ****!!! :hail: That is the coolest thing I've ever seen!

As for patents, I do know that if you can produce something similar, yet performs the same function, you should be able to patent it. Of course, even if the university owns half the property, I don't think they would object if say....GM or someone offered a substantial sum for the idea. If they where not willing to share the money, I'm sure some legal persuasion would change thier opinion. After all, you designed and built it.

That aside, congrats! I would be among many people who would love to own a car with that on it, and if this is a sample of what you can do, I expect a very prosperous future for you.

A company owning your designs can get pretty tricky. My great grandfather was one of the pioneers of the "hypospray" they use in the military today. He never got one red cent for his invention. His company said he made it at their facility, so they owned it.

oldblueZ · 11-27-2002, 07:32 PM

I've two comments equaling $.04 so let's round to a nickel.

Well, I know that you have hopes of creating and designing a fingerprint ignition system, which is a great idea. However, DOT madated that there MUST be a key for the ignition in street cars. I think it was the 50th Anniversiary Corvette that wanted to have a keyless ignition, but the DOT would not let them do it because there was no key. I can't remember the source exactly, but if you really want to push your idea, then jump on DOT's back and hassle them. GO FOR IT!!

The other point I'd like to make is that I feel the first place to start marketing your system would be with the supercars, and not the average cars. With the pattern of developments, products have been made and used for a small number of people highly regarded, once they give their praise, the public starts playing with the new product. I would start out with Lamborghini and Ferarri before you knock on Chevy's door. Of course that is my personal opinion, so you can take it for what it's worth.

-Jesse

B4Ctom1 · 11-28-2002, 02:15 PM

thats fine, I like that point about the key and the law but if that system fingerprint ID system was simply slaved to a "VATS" style system, you could have a key and just leave it in the ignition.

SuperchargedRS · 11-30-2002, 02:56 AM

too bad people can still get your car w/ a tow truck, oh well cant win them all, still REALLY cool.

cfirebird86 · 01-01-2003, 04:30 PM

neat idea. I could have used it for news years. I got locked out of my car. Didn't have my key to open my door

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A friend had to take me home to get my spares..

I would buy one.

should take a poll on it and give it to your teacher for class.

Chet · 01-01-2003, 06:45 PM

Wow, this is all very interesting. If this was my project, I would be pissed if I didn't get an A. I won't be surprised if in a few years something like this will on more expensive cars like a jag or a bmw. Nice job.