mw66nova

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thank you sir...

okmaro

I think the pipes look ok if they stretch from the rear of the front wheel well to the front of the rear, but the shorty side pipes like on that red firebird look really hickish.

okmaro

I have never found camaros or firebirds to be hickish, except late 2nd gen and when a car has gold on it, like those awful gold birds on the hoods of some T/As.

rjmcgee

Matching wheels front and back also help with avoiding the white trash image.

How did the ground effect delete shave 100 lbs?

mw66nova

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yeah, they are coming (matching front wheels...) give me another month. i'm out of town and away from my car till mid august.

the front/rear bumper covers are considerably heavier...

freestylzz

[QUOTE=rjmcgee]Matching wheels front and back also help with avoiding the white trash image.

QUOTE]

Ya man, I was just thinking that myself, but you beat me to it.

A pair of matching front Welds would give the car a completely different personality.

CamaroMike

I used to love ground effects before I owned a 91 Firebird with the Aero package. Most ground clearance issues I have ever had. Not to mention cooling was a bi@tch. I love the open front end and non weighed down stick on plastic rice look of my 84 sport coupe.

Just my .02cents.

smokefan

everyones off the subjest of this topic talking about gfx's an all. i guess i will chime in on it. i am not a big fan of no-gfx cars but i will say that given the proper stance makes the cars look good like mw66nova's car. his car would make me buy a sc. other than that i perfer the gfx's

DBLTKE

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I must say that i think sidepipes can look pretty bad *** on a third gen camaro. especially when doing 8.5 seconds at 160+ mph...

Vulcan McClellan 1988 Camaro twin turbo

http://www.horsepowerconnection.com/...n/DSCN0183.JPG

//<86TA>\\

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my 86 TA has ground efx, um duh, but anyways, i had a side pipe setup thing going a while back when i first build the car, and the biggest issue as stated before is ground clearance, more so because of the ground efx. you cannot mount he pipes to the side, they are more under the car, and having a 3 or 4 inch pipe almost directly under the ground efx or right behind them in the rail where SFC usually go, really cuts down on the clearance. i used so scrape a lot just backing out of the garage. besides, usually side pipes are loud and shiny and can draw the wrong kind of attention from the annoying police men. and good luck getting through inspections, even as my car is registered as a collector vehicle and has no emmission inspection e the first thing the inspection station attendant saw and "complained" about was the side pipes and the obvious lack of a cat, which started an ugly argument. so they are gone now and replaced with a 3" flowmaster, with no cat and never had any problems since, sorry i can be a bit long winded

vwdave

Do NOT like sidepipes at all. Do NOT like the old front ends. I like them without graphics, and with side exits.

Build your car the way YOU want to build it. But when you do it that way, some are going to poke fun at you.

Gallileo60

Side pipes look good if ya like them....AND Nova, your car looks AWESOME.....I have a white 89 with gfx, and it does not look near as tight as your ride...Had a Berlanetta with no gfx, and it looked so good....Tom

DeathStarr89

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since everyone else is talking about no-GFX 3rd gens...





altho, technically mine has those little gfx pieces infront of the rear wheels...

vwdave

This is how no GFX is done....

DeathStarr89

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um...

Sonix

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sexy car dave! Looks like paradise down there! Wish I was in florida now Girlfriend is going there for a vacation, talk about jelousy!

ok, now i'm going to unsubscribe from this thread, because it just doesn't seem to want to die...

vwdave

Got something to say?

dennisbernal91z

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he is laphing cuz your car DOES have GFX.

vwdave

*Looks closely*

The little RS badge? Ehh, thats a badge/emblem, not a graphic.

dennisbernal91z

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You are sorely mistaken my friend.

You are thinking GFX means some sort of graphic I think. It stands for ground effects.



The part of your car that you have that bolt on the outside closest to the bottom. You have a front, and side as we can see from the pic. The rear, is just what bumper you are using. Only the 91-92 style really had anything back there.

Anyways Dave. You do infact have GFX.

vwdave

Ooohh, I thought it meant graphics. Like the IROC decals and ****. Now I feel like a idiot.

Car has got to have those.

xlwhellraiser

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I want the side exhaust on my vert. NOW! LOL.

I am gonna call up my local exhaust shop and see what they say and how much it would cost.!

DeathStarr89

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lol, yah that's why i was laughing. sorry for making you think otherwise... haha


nice car BTW...

PROPHET69

Hey, i'm actually in the process of installing one of these cool 2.5 inch sidepies on my project car, each side has a foot long tailpipe that exits on both sides before the rear tire, followed by cherry bombs and cutouts. It looks freakin insane! (a good insane). And the clearance is good! Now, i found out about a little problem i had and going to have... I need an exhaust shop to link my headers to the front of my pipes... BUT NO FREAKING SHOP IN THIS CITY OF HALF A MILLION SEEM TO HAVE A CLUE! So it seems like it's up to me to do this. I need a couple mendrell bent pipes (unless there are other ways to do this) and is there anyone here who can send or find me pics of a side-pipe setup connected to shorties. I have reducers for the headers but i don't understand how to install (L) pipes directly on them without causing severe clearance issues. Maybe pics will give me clues. Thanks

dennisbernal91z

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pics will help a lot. With all the stuff you said, I don't see how that is all on a sidepipe...

Post pics, then I will tell you what you need.

PROPHET69

WOOOHOOO! finally finished my exhaust, for 450$ some guy installed stainless piping with wicked groud clearance. So, i now have sidepipes and it looks good. But I 'm kind of discouraged by the sound. The car is actually very quiet and sounds super docile unless i rev the engine like crazy. The cherry bombs really mask the violent wild sound. I also notice that the high power is very low end. It seems i have high power at like 1500 RPM, then it starts to die off. (the car will jump from 0 to 30km/hr in a second, but takes forever to reach 100km/hr) I used to have a similar setup with 1.5 inch piping instead of 2.5 inch and it seemed to give me more high end power with a more aggressive sound. Luckily i have cutouts. I haven't tried them yet cuz i didn't have time (at work.) I REALLY hope i see a difference cuz i'm not very satisifed with the 0-60 performance (although perfect for normal city driving) it's giving me so far. But hey... it does look pretty great. I'll post some pics soon enough.

CG_1985_Z28

those look sweet, ive been thinking about doing that for a while but never had the cash.


1985 Chevrolet Camaro - Chuck's Chevrolet

BullittBob

I think the sidepipes on the car look good. And as for ground effects, that's for kids. If the ground effects don't do much for the cars performance ditch em. My favorite thirdgen is a 1982 - 1984 TA no ground effects. The only exception I have is a 1985 - 1990 IROC Z. Naturally cool! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I've contemplated side pipes for the mere fact that the factory exhaust routing was designed by an idiot.

PROPHET69

Designed by an idiot? I have to second and third that. It was very difficult and time consuming to determine what to do with such crappy ground clearance.

I have GFX on my car and like them because of what i'm planning to do with it. It all has to do with taste and what you want to do with your car. No GFX in my opinion are good for a more drag race classic muscle-like look while GFX is good for someone who may want to give their third gen a modernized appearance like myself. We're all third geners people!!!!!!!!!! Stop fighting!

vwdave

Maybe we should change your name from "BullittBob" to "SmilingBob" You know, the guy from the male enhancement commercials?

online170

Ive always thought side exhaust was cool, but not the way you guys showed it on the third gens. More like top fuel dragsters However, if you guys ever saw the newer "Gone in 60 Seconds" movie, i like how they did the side exhaust (exit anyways) on the mustang. Very subtle, very nice. Cold work with a third gen gfx car if done right. As for GFX, i think both cars with and without look nice. My 350 corvette motor car is a NO GFX car, with mudguards, grey in colour, and my docile 6 cyl, is full aero gfx . Sleepers all the way.

PROPHET69

Ok, here I have some pics of my new sidepipes. Keep in mind that this is a project car and i'm currently working on her. Not the nicest car. As for the pipes themselves, i'm not sure yet what to do about the color, just paint them in thermal black paint or maybe have the whole exhaust powder coated if i can have that done for a decent price. I'm up for suggestions on that by the way.

So, the way the 2.5 inch exhaust goes, the tails are made out of stainless steel, followed by the cherry bombs, then more stainless, then the 3 inch
cutouts on each side and finally more stainless piping that links directly to the headers. Believe or not, I drove this car a few hours last night in halifax (very hilly and bumpy city with deteriorated roads by construction sites) and the exhaust didn't touch the ground once. The car is slightly lowered and i still have 4 inches of clearance

1991ON20's

boring arguements! any ways back to the thread....those third gen side pipe gotta hit the trash can. dont like em....my opinion.

CG_1985_Z28

hey prophet69 did u use a x or h pipe or did u come right off the headers

ling427ttvette

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Looks like it's straight off of the headers.

rideon1200

The first pic of the sidepipe comming out behind the front tire looked good. Second pic comming out half way down driver door did not. It does look better without gfx. I am going to replace exhaust very soon along with bulge hood. I have been considering checking with state police to see if sidepipes were legal in Va. For you young guya who grew up on tuners I am sure the sidepipes look like crap. For us "old" guys, whos student parking lots were full of cudas, 68 camaros, 71 firebirds, mustangs, roadrunners, novas, v8 vegas, the crager and sidepipes look good.

PROPHET69

Yeah, they're directly off of the headers, no x pipe, but if I chose to do this, I could add an extension for an "H" Pipe. Thing is...i have cutouts directly after the headers anyway. No point in doing an "H" pipe up with open headers. The reason why the car did not have much power was because of their size, when i rev the engine up to approx 5000 rpm, it goes like crazy. Exhaust plays a big role in your performance.

I am now restoring the rest of my car and trying to decide what to do with the pipes, the welds are rusting already even though the rest is stainless. Powder coating is probably too expensive, maybe just put a high temp black protection. I'll decide that after the car is restored.

86NiteRider

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Well I have the best of both worlds...
my '86 without GFX...


and my '92 with GFX...


so I can walk to my garage and choose whatever mood I am in...

side pipes to me belong on a Mustang or a '60's car but it is your car so do it any way you like...

1989formula355

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this is THE exhaust that belongs on a garage primered, swap meet crager having, beater camaro. no offense but that's my stand on side pipes on a third gen.

1991CamaroRslow

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<------- punches self in face from all the painful side pipes pics.

4playta

Everyone has their own taste and opinions and this is just my opinion. I think 3rd gens without gfx look good with fat tires on the back and skinny's up front, set up for drag racing. Cars with gfx look better with fat tires all the way around and maybe lowered alittle bit to give it that road racing look. But either way your car must have the right combo...what I am trying to say is the wheel - tire combo has to be right as well as the stance. Stance is verry important...if you have air shocks on the back of your 3rd gen and lifted the *** 18 inches to fit some p295/50-15's chances are its not going to look good!

As for side pipes Mmmmmmmmmmmm well they would look like *** no matter what...the only thing side pipes look good on are some vans and older corvettes.

What would look good is if you could exit your exhaust through the gfx by the rear wheel somehow and not look tacky like the tip sticking out 12 inches, keep it flush using maybe rectangle tips but as someone else pointed out I could see melted gfx and soot on the side of your car in the very near future.

I am not trying to start any keyboard fights, I am just stating my opinions and I am open to hear other peoples opinions. Sometimes great ideas come from opinions!

PS: mw66nova I think your car looks great it has the right tire size and stance that I was talking about! Are you going to do the same wheel tire combo on the white car as you have on the black car?

PROPHET69

@1989formula355

Keep in mind, yes, doesn't look like the best compared to others, but this is a cheap yet efficient and strong setup with good ground clearance. I live in a part of the maritimes where my 1998 taurus already has holes in the floors. It's not worth spending lots of bucks on cars over here. One day, when I'm older than 23 and living where cars last and in flat lands, then I'll properly invest in a car.

Not even a year ago, I sold my 1998 Acura GSR for school and bought this now partially restored from rotten to the ground car to learn about them, I made that exhaust setup as my first project to squeeze power from the car and just got a shop to weld it together. Everybody starts somewhere and this is the stage I'm at.

It's for fun. Not many cars you pay under 1 grand for that can beat over and over a brand new Nissan 350z (friend) by almost a couple car lengths from 0-100km/hr.

You have to admit a whole entire new exhaust system... for 450 Canadian dollars, getting a true dual stainless steel 2.5 to 3 inch wide pipes with cutouts and Brand New Hooker headers is pretty damn good.

It gives the car character, and doesn't look like one of the ol hicky bunch
3rd gens. No one over here has really commented negatively about the pipes, maybe it just looks bad in pictures, don't know, but positive compliments I have gotten many times.

1989formula355

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prophet69, you basically restated, in a much more long winded version, what i just said. this is a cheap/efective exhaust for some one who doesen't want to spend a lot of money and isn't especially concerned with looks. i wasn't bashing your car so simmer down.

Rocket-Doc

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What about "boom tubes"?

91TPI5.7

im sorry but that first pic with the firebird looks good. i like the mix of generations. there are some poorly done setups, i agree. however to those who scoff at cars without gfx, good ground clearance ect, dont forget that not every person who has a 3rdgen has to pass the mandatory 2" drop, with the minimum 17" wheels. its ok, sometimes a 15 inch drag racing wheel with some fat rear tires does look good.

2tonedmaro89

sidepipes dont belong on a thirdgen period imo

i_love_thirdgen

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I considering doing sidepipes on my third gen. It looked right at home on my 78' el camino, but I think i'm just going to do turndowns off the headers get kicked out of my house and do nothing but drive my car around town all the while making dogs bark, shattering glass, and making women and young children cry. We'll see though I have become acustomed to eating dinner.
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Excuse me... ***I considered*** doing sidepipes...


The camaro gets made fun of enough already as being a ****** car. Why give the d-bags in the mustangs/off-shore cars more of a reason to call us hicks.

draco

I'm not even going to tough the GFX arguement.And sidepipes look alright, and sound great, until you burn your leg on one.But come on fellas, whats wrong with Cragars???" http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...mageID=8304360 "

DBLTKE

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Maybe A little something like these?

1991CamaroRslow

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Sidepipes, Louvers, and Cragars.... does it get any better than that?