Jstcrzyengh

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Um... Hence why people are scrambling to find a GP, because people CANT Afford it. You guys have to realize that with the cost of fuel skyrocketing EVERYTHING you buy will be going up, including aftermarket heads... This is why so many people go and buy jegs AL heads or other heads because they are usually a few hundred dollars cheaper. AFR's do flow better, that's why I bought hte 195's for my 355. They also have a lot of room left for porting. But the LS1 heads... That's another story.

A88GTANotchback

your not thinking man. if ppl cant afford it as you say why are they back ordered? and also if you cant afford to do what you wanna do try doing what i do.......save up some money and stop complaining. you guys are being unreasonable saying that your not going to buy this product....your not gonna change anything, the price is what it is, so save up or shut up.......also why isnt this locked it obviouslt aint goin now where fast....

TraviZ

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i still think by the time i saved my money, the 3 valve heads should be ready/

84-350berlineta

The heads are not on "back order". AFR simply doesn't make them untill you place an order, because they save a ton of money in overhead that way. There are no storage costs. They can put more into research and devolopment.

91GTABird

Well there goes that direction.

Anyone recommend Edelbrock Al heads?


AFR

ml258-89iroc

I was all set to buy a set of afr 180's but I really don't like thier attitude. I am not a pro drag racer so i can live with a set of edelbrocks or ported 113's. Actually with the money I'll save on afr's I will go sdpc vortec heads and a vortec hsr. I just talked myself into it!

VILeninDM

Wow, lots of different opinions. This will probalby bring on lots more arguments, but I fully support AFR and WILL buy their heads.

These heads are not for your average engine that you just slap them on and go. AFR produces performance racing heads and if you want performance, you have to pay for it. I don't know about most people here, but I am buying their heads not because I want few more ponies, but because I am building a race engine. There is 3 grand in the bottom end, 3 more in induction. There is no way I will squible or boycott over some lousy $150 bucks. If you are on a budget where this kind of money matters, I don't think you should be considering AFR in the first place. What was that equation?... Performance, money, quality <== each one of us has two pick two of these. I made my choice.

I fully understand their GP policy and Spohn actually has the same one (anyone who is against AFR, please, start a thead to boycott Spohn as well). If one company starts GP's it will disrupt distributor network because others will be undersold. Then if other ones start GP's it will cut into their profits. You get competition instead of co-existance and eventually you will have distributors who don't see it reasonable to continue selling the product. (just like Wallmart muscling out pretty much every other business). Only few big distribtors would stay in the game. Why would AFR risk this situation over few buck for 20-some heads??? They set the price which allows some margin for each distrubor to put into ads, handling and some profit. Controlling the price keeps the piece between everyone happy.

I don't know about others (some work for shops), but I work for a relatively small company. We sell security solutions and being small we rely on several thousands of value-added resellers to actually put our product in the field. The issue of keeping every reseller happy is our #1 priority.

and btw, I've read it here, on another board and in one of the recent issues of don't remember (car craft, hotrod, or something... i get a lot of them) that AFR is pretty much working 100% and people are willing to buy and wait as long as it takes. So for those who have general knowledge of economics... if your supply is maxed out why would you lower the price to increase the demand when you can't keep up as it is??? Right now they are not loosing customers because it is too expensive, they loose them because some people don't have 6-12 weeks of wait time.

Zerstörer

Sounds alot like what the car audio companies are doing. Must sell for XXX dollars threw an authorized dealer, no internet sales, ect. You either buy at full price or buy something else cheaper thats just as good. I usually buy something else.

valencia1z

IF U GUYS WAnt a good price on afr heads and other parts call brian ad performance the numbers 1(877) 273-0005 tell him mando from cali sent yaa best prices on afr dart u name it cranks hes a authorized dealer and awsome prices

jnjspdshop

So Brain at AD Performance is undercutting other AFR dealers by selling below the MSRP? That is good to know

YenkoST

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He gave me a price of 1284 out the door for the 180cc AFR heads.

TraviZ

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good to know

erummel

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Since AFR chose to be ****** about this whole thing, I decided to go with some 200cc Dart Pro 1 heads with 64cc chambers for $1079, assembled.

ChevyRacer

as a business owner myself. I know my product manuacture's very well.

What the guy sis aying is that a company tnat sells 10-20 thousand set will get a lower price then a company that sells 1 or 2 hundres sets. but they still sell for the same price to customer's. If they got that many heads and charged a cheaper price, then their business would increase, even if the difference is only $50, a dollar is a dollar and everyone understands that. A lot of people would switch to the $50, same product, distributor.

This wou,d mean the companies that sell 10-20 thousand would get angry as their business slips into the hole, and the other guy that used to sell less, continually sells more.

This would disrupt an eitre market distibution. Many of you may not understand but its true. The people that pay less to AFR make more money per head becuase they sell more, and if their business changes, so will afr;s price for them as well.

Kinda strange but its just how it is. Getting my distirbutor license was tough. I had to show pictures of my in construction store, and until it was finished i could onyl order 20 items to stock my shelves with. Once finished i had to have a corporate guy come over and view my store to certify my distributor license.

Very complicated, their profit shares even.

erummel

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ChevyRacer, I too am a business owner and I do understand the workings of pricing. If I order more, my per part price goes down. Also, just so you know my company designs and sells consumer products, so I am very familiar with pricing, profit margins, and know very well that a price difference of even 10 cents can cost me the business.

I also know that if my competition, who does less volume than me, starts to sell their product for less and begins to capture market share I had better be doing something about that. In other words I need to either lower my price as well, or offer more for the same price. If I cant lower my price because I have to have a certain profit margin than too bad for me. It is simple economics. Getting mad wont change the situation.

As far as negatively affecting market distribution, that is non-sense. The market demand will shift to the company with the better price.

This whole price fixing that AFR has was designed for only one purpose, to increase the amount of money that AFR gets. They know that if they set the price range that all of their distributors can sell for than they know that as they increase their distribution chain they can anticipate a similar increase in profits. Many companies do this.

In the end we all know that AFR has a great product and that is why many people buy their product regardless of the price. Because of of AFRs practices there has been no ill effects to the distribution chain even though there are other cylinder head suppliers who price their product for much less.

However there are many of us who know that AFR is not the only game out there. I was prepaired to buy a set of AFR heads but the way they handled this entire situation was just bad customer service.

valencia1z

WELL IF U EVEN REALY TRY AFR HEADS WAITIN RIGHT NOW THEY TELL U 10 TO 12 WEEKS BUT WHEN IT REALY COMES DOWN TO IT URE IN FOR A 4 OR 5 MONTH WAIT AND IF U RELLY GET DOWN ON THE FLOW NUMBERS CALL SUMMIT AND ASK THEM ON THERE CNC TRICK FLOW 195 LESS MONEY FLOW A TAD BIT MORE AND U DONT GOTA DEAL WITH AFR B/S LIKE GET THEM WHEN THERE DONE OR SEARCH AROUND ONE OF THE DEALERS MIGHT HAVE AN EXTRA SET OR ALREADY ON ORDER SAVE URESELF SOME TIME OHH AND IF ANY BODY IN NORTHERN CA I HAVE A SET OF DART PRO1 ALUM HEADS 215CC 2.05 1.60 64 MILLED TO 62 800 FIRM REACH ME AT 209)271-5305 and about under cutting on prices the way i figure i called even pro charger theyl even tellu call one of there dealers a they can offer better prices and to be honest i dont have extra money to throw away so if i can save a bit i will thats like alot of companies cant compete with summit prices

valencia1z

IF U GUYS WAnt a good price on afr heads and other parts call brian ad performance the numbers 1(877) 273-0005 tell him mando from cali sent yaa best prices on afr dart u name it cranks hes a authorized dealer and awsome prices all i can say brian knows his stuff he can get dart afr world u name it just give him a call trust me and hey if it goes to the message give him a try back or leave a message he does return calls

erummel

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Dude, one word for you..... punctuation.

@ZZKKER

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you guys need to remember that you get what you pay for. my freind bought a set of pro top line heads (235's i think) and they needed a lot of work to get them to good casting standards.

i agree that AFR does choose to charge a premium price, but you get a premium product.

does them not wanting to do a group buy warrant a boycot? hell no. if everyone boycots every company that makes parts for our cars because "there to expensive" then they would just quit making parts for the 3rd gen and make **** for a honda.
get over the high price. i bought a set of afr 210 comp ported heads, which had extra porting done by hand on top of the cnc porting,(cost me 2 grand) and they flow more than 315cfm at .570 lift. who else makes heads right now (besides the 5 grand 4 valve heads) that can be ported to flow that much at that low of a lift?

i commend afr for sticking to there values and would recomend there products to anyone.

thanks
anthony

erummel

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Anthony you obviously did not read everything about this situation. The group buy was NOT to get a discounted price as people do when they participate in a GROUP PURCHASE. The tenants of the group buy was to allow people to put up a down payment to get the order started and then pay the rest when the heads were ready to ship.

However one individual on this board felt he could work a better deal than a newly authorized distributor and called AFR directly. Because said individual believed this was a group purchase to get a discount instead of the group buy to allow for a down payment, he essentially screwed the pooch on this. His phone call caused AFR to believe that Precision Motorsports (who had already cleared this with AFR) was trying to pull a fast one based on AFR's rules for distributors and pricing. So AFR decided to be a bunch of d-i-c-k heads and not allow Precision to place the order and threatened to pull their distributor license.

The main issue that many have with AFR is not the price, but their general attitude and how they handled this. They did not have to threaten Precision with yanking their license and they did not have to end the group buy.

We all understand that AFR makes a great product and while we may not like their pricing policies they can price them how they want. The bottom line for most of use is that we would rather not buy from someone who is going have such a poor attitude and treat people with little or no respect.

Just so you and everyone else who reads this knows, this group buy had 20 commited buyers who were willing to pony up with $500 for a down payment (thats $10,000). As the heads were going to take 12 weeks at that time to build that would have allowed all 20 people enough time to come up with the remaining $1100 (give or take based on options) which certainly would have allow many of us to be able to more easily afford a set of AFR heads.

DigitalMonarch0

BINGO. - I couldn't have said it better myself.