I H8 WWD

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Haha, broke bastards...yup.

Anyway Im just stoked I can drop my car the right way...without messing with geometry...

I plan to also go Koni yellows....maybe 325-350# springs. Only time will tell.

Racecraft Inc.

When we started building these spindles we took a quick look and thought we could make them for about the same money as the Mustang spindles. We have now finished these parts and the numbers come in and they are what they are, these spindles have a considerable amount of machining that the Mustang spindles didn't have and the addition of a bolt on steering stop didn't help lower the price. These spindles we have built are high quality, tig welded and an exact fit for the problem at hand. As compared to the previous effort put into these spindles, I think we offer a great product for a reasonable price. If you read the older threads about these parts you will see that it is a considerable investment to produce cast spindles that could sell for less, but that kind of investment requires big volume which probably just isn't there or a larger company would be doing it. Ed will have spindles on Tuesday and he can analyze them and I am confident that he will like what we sent him.

Thanks, Mark
http://www.racecraft.com

I H8 WWD

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$500 for drop spindles....correct geometry, quality parts....sounds more than fair to me. My buddy was surprised to see I can get these for $500. In which case thats the same price as for the stangs...so he was kind of mad..haha, GM once again is cheaper than ford...kind of...well at least the same.

(Me and my buddy get into it as to whats cheaper to build a GM or Ford....usually comes out GM is cheaper...HELL YEAH.)

Anyway cant wait to see more products from you guys. Is there anything you might be looking into next for our cars?

Im still looking for someone to custom make door sills that REPLACE the plastic ones (not cover, but replace)....I hate them things..haha. Take care.

87CIZ

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so an update is needed for the group purchase price. i guess we're just tacking on $55 then? i hate that i passed on the belltechs several years ago being $250 a set however they were cast and not fabricated as these parts are. i could've sworn that it said $570 last night when i checked it and was way over the 4th gen price instead of only $25 difference

luke4907

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I'm not able to modify my original post anymore, so maybe a new thread will be in order once Ed has given his $.02. And who knows if maybe Mark will be able to increase the GP discount for us, so I'll wait and see. Thanks

IROCZman15

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i would be in for sure... except i already have and am running 2" drop spindles on my 1987 iroc ..

they are a great way to lower the nose. u guys will like em, good luck
-i love mine

ebmiller88

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I got the spindles from Mark late last week so I'll post up with what I learn.

Ed

kewl_blades

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Progress report, Ed?

Also, would you have a few brake kits you could sell to match the dropped spindles?

I H8 WWD

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Dido. For future reference.

luke4907

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particularly the GTA-wheel Wilwood setup

theboilermaker

Would these spindles give full lock to lock with a 4th gen power rack? Also, do you guys recomend IROC springs, or is there antoher spring I should be looking at.

luke4907

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you would want a stock-height spring (such as a new Moog IROC-replacement spring) to keep suspension geometry correct. the purpose of these is to lower the front end ~2" and keep everything properly aligned. You'd have to ask Mark from Racecraft or someone else about the 4th gen power rack.

IROCZman15

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i run the 2' drop spindles, once they were installed, i realized i shoud have done springs/struts at the same time. then i bought and installed MOOG IROC REPLACEMENT SPRINGS, front and rear, for a total of $125 + shipping. I ordered Tokico 5 way adjustable struts and shocks. THe front ride height dropped 2 inches or more, but the rear got jacked up, so i popped out the springs,a nd cut 3/4 or a coil off of each and now it sits beautiful

to make a long story short, the MOOG IRoc replacement springs are probably the way to go,ratehr than any lowering springs; unless ur REALLY lookingt o slam ur car to the ground (and into everything that is more than 1/2" off the road surface)


-im attaching a few photos of the spindles im running (they arent dirty now, thanks to Ed who did a great job installing the C4 HD brake kit onto them)....just to maybe show u guys how they look compared to stock spindles. no big deal. just tryin to help out

TheScaryOne

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That's pretty much exactly what I had in mind whenever I get the cash to get some of these. Run IROC constant rate springs (Not the cargo coil series from Moog) and then just cut off enough of the rear coil to match the drops. Yea, cutting isn't the optimal way, but not a lot of companies make a performance rear drop spring. Gatta do what ya gatta do.

theboilermaker

I found these at summit springs

Can you post some pics of your ride with the drop spindles and cut springs?

TheScaryOne

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Those Hotchkis springs are about 150 #/" lighter rate than the IROC springs up front, and in the rear, they're a progressive spring that gets harder rather than stays the same rate as you compress it.

The kit is also only supposed to get a 1" drop. Which means to match the 2" up front you'd have to cut enough coil to drop it, but because it's a progressive spring you change it's rate.

Just a hassle.

theboilermaker

hmm thanks for the info. IROC springs it is. New or Junkyard whats the better way to go?

TheScaryOne

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New, of course.

Moog parts 5665 and 5662, rear and front, respectively. Should cost you about $100 plus shipping.

brnrubr4ever

Will you be able to run stock brakes with these 2" spindles? Also I have a set of eibach drag launch spring in it now and the nose sit's pretty high should i cut 1/2 coil with the spindles?

THanks

scooter

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Unfortunately it is really a trial and error sort of thing. You should bolt everything up then see how it sits

TheScaryOne

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No. You can't. You can run 1LE brakes though. It's because these are designed on a 1LE spindle, which is just every other spindle with two bits cut off and the dust shield holes drilled and tapped. You must run 1LE or other aftermarket brakes for these. On the plus side, all of ebmiller88's brakes use the tapped dust shield holes for mounting, so they will work with his Wilwood, LS1, C5, C4, etc. etc.

ebmiller88

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Hi fellas...sorry for the delay in posting up. I have the spindles but have not had any time to address them. I got hit with a slew of orders recently and have to take care of paid items as I'm sure you all can understand.

I will take a look at these on Tuesday and post up what I find out as an initial overview. I will take a look and see what I can offer for these spindles, ideally kits in size 12-14" rotors would be nice...and of course a Wilwood kit as well. IMO it's not even worth running stock brakes on these cars. With so many options it just isn't worth it performance wise.

Thanks for your patience, and thank you Mark for your continuing support.

Ed

camarobeast84

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ebmiller88, I have a pair of the revised AJE 1.8" drop spindles, and was wondering what you could tell me about them. I've seen some negative posts about them, and was wondering if you had any input on them.

Couldn't I send them to you and have them modified to work with a different brake setup?

kewl_blades

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Send that to him in a PM...it has no business here in this thread.

luke4907

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+1. Besides he prefers PMs and e-mails for individual issues/requests.

redcamaro83

so is the gp still on?

luke4907

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I'd still like to do it. I'm waiting on Ed's review of the parts. Then I might start another thread that will allow me to modify my original post and update as to who is in. I imagine Ed will create his own thread under the Aftermarket Product Review forum and post a link to it on this thread. So all GP related matters will be discussed in here until further notice.

scooter

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ebmiller88

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Didn't get to look today, fellas, I got called in to work instead but I'm off tomorrow.

Ed

kewl_blades

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we'll be waiting....
expecially for your wilwood brake setup with loaded calipers, rotors and ss brake lines with these dropped spindles.

I H8 WWD

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Mannn, EB I hope your still doing these brake setups when I get back to work on my Maro...

I've been spending every dollar on my 300zx to get it running so I can store it and get back to the Camaro.

But as for brakes I dont think Ima get to those for a year at least....

But yeah Ill be hitting you up for a bada** brake setup in the future.

***I want to ask you guys something. If I get these drop spindles, how do I go about setting up springs and shock setups for the front & rear. Originally until I saw these I was going Koni Yellow shocks and struts with B&G springs.

If I get these will I need a stock spring/shock, aftermarket? If someone wants PM me so we dont take up room in this thread....talking about setups...thanks.

luke4907

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Several different setups have been discussed already, explaining how to maintain a level vehicle. You probably ought to re-read the rest of this thread. I haven't shared my plans with everyone yet, so I think I'll do that now. I plan on running a set of Koni Specials (red) on all 4 corners along with a spohn coilover setup in the front. My original rear springs sag quite a bit, but I might cut a bit of a coil off to get my rear ride height where I want it. Then I'll be adjusting the fronts to match. Any suspension gurus see any problems with this?

kewl_blades

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How's the testing going, EB?

ebmiller88

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I took a short look at them today and I like what I see, these are really nice. I will get some pics up tomorrow or Thursday. I have noticed two things right off the bat to comment on.

1) The area where the strut bolts on is not thick enough. Maybe Mark has an update for us on this one, a simple spacer to make up the missing thickness would be perfect. The thickness now is .750", it needs to be right at 1.280" total thickness.

2) The spindles come with a bolt on steering stop, a very nice touch, so it's removable. But if you want to run C4, LS1, or CTS-V brakes, the lower abutment bolts will contact the stop unless it's removed. Once removed, you will also have to slightly clearance the spindle to get the lower bolts to clear. There is non issue with C5/C6 brackets or the Wilwood kit brackets.

Overall I'm very inpressed with them at first glance. TIG welds are beautiful, the steel is machined and cut clean and they would look great with a black powdercoat.

572_Rat

I received my spindles, they come with 4 alumnium spacers, 1 for each side of spindle for bolting on to the strut. Also they came powdercoated black. These are the spindles with shorten arms for rack

luke4907

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that's awesome, thanks for the info guys. Glad to hear that 572_Rat's spindles came with some aluminum spacers, so Ed's issue #1 is not a concern. They do look great with the black powdercoat. 572_Rat, please let us know if you run into any installation issues.

Ed, will you be able to help anyone that wants to run C4, LS1, or CTS-V brakes? Would a quick write-up be helpful or it is pretty self-explanatory? Thanks again for your help with this.

Racecraft Inc.

Ed,

Sorry about the spacers we will send you a set, as far as the other brake set ups and clearance issues let me know what needs to be done and we will do it. Look forward to more info.

Thanks, Mark
Racecraft Inc.

TheScaryOne

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Mark, I'd just like to take this moment to say, I wish more companies were like you guys. I really do.

Well, I am by no means a guru, but if this car ever sees street time, I'd ax the front coilover setup. These car's strut towers are ONLY sheet metal. Nothing else. The extra force on a smaller area from a coil over CAN cause severe warpage during daily driving. I think someone's posted a few pictures where the coilovers had broken through the sheet metal, and dented the hood.

Now, if you were gonna tube the front end (I think TPI383 aka Chris) did that with a white 'Maro, then there would be no issues. I just can't fathom a way to make that sheet metal strong enough that I'd want the spring there too.

The reds are a good choice. Lifetime warranty on parts says something nowadays. I'd recommend a set of J&M Hotpart Upper Strut Mounts, or the Spohn Fabricated Upper Strut Mounts.

Since these spindles are designed to drop the car properly, you can use factory-style springs. I'd go with the IROC springs from Moog, front and back (Snag the kit at Spohn) and then cut the rear spring to taste. And if you do just buy a set of rear springs, and you plan on cutting them, get a SOLID RATE spring. Not one of Moog's CC springs that have different rates at different compressed heights.

kewl_blades

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Mark (Racecraft), start getting some GP pricing done when you get a chance. I'll buy a set from ya guys once EB or Racecraft gets some brake kit setups on sale to bundle with the new spindles.
And a few color options on powdercoating would be killer.

CrimsonDragon

Thanks to Ed and Mark for all your hard work. Looks like the dust is starting to settle on this so I'll be making the leap soon.

ebmiller88

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No need for the spacers, I won't need them for testing. I didn't know if you had addressed them yet but since you have I'm good. Looks like you're all over that part. I'll post up pics with various brackets installed so you'll see where you need to trim the lower part of the spindle. If you would, PM me with your e-mail and contact info again so I can talk to you personally.

Thanks!

Ed
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Yes, no problem. My patterns will be adapted easily to these spindles and I'll let you guys know when they're ready based on feedback from Mark.

Ed

ebmiller88

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Once I talk to Mark I'm sure we can work out a bracket and/or hub deal in with these spindles. If Mark can't do powdercoating I can. I have a vendor I consistently use and can get a great price on practically any color, black, silver, and red will be lower in price as they'd be more popular choices and I could run them in bulk.

Ed

luke4907

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That'd be awesome. Ed I PM'ed you. Thanks

Racecraft Inc.

We can powder coat just about any color in house, usually any color other than black would be an extra charge of $18.00, but for this initial group purchase we will wave that fee for red, silver, and yellow if ya gotta have something different the normal fee will apply. As far as the group purchase goes, just add $55.00 to the existing posted prices. How much time do you guys require for this group purchase? I was thinking mid to end of April, let me know.

Thanks, Mark

ebmiller88

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Good to hear, I'll get with Mark and work the brackets out. Most if not all of my brackets are on file and will take a short time to get adapted to the spindles so I can be ready at that time as well.

Ed

LT1LE

Put me down for a set.

kewl_blades

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Also in need of a set with upgraded calipers, rotors and SS brake lines.
ED, PM me back with what you can ship out this week.
(Zinc coated slotted rotors preferred)

Dave88z

Mark, will my Strange drag brakes bolt to the spindles with the short steering arm? I am looking to buy within a few weeks. Thanks
Dave

Racecraft Inc.

Yes they will those are the most common brake application for us at the shop. We have already bolted that combo up, works fine.


Mark

luke4907

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Sounds like we're starting to get some committed members in here so please spread the word. I'd like to pull the trigger very soon.

Ed, will you be doing anything else as far as a writeup is concerned? I think we're ready here but if you have anything else to say in support of or against these spindles then now is the time. Once again, thanks for your help.