82 Iron Duke

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I saw this on craigs list today and since I am more of a Camaro guy I have no idea. I did a little research and read that there was no 86 Formula? Anyway it may be a rare car so here it is if anyone is interested.

http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/rvs/328120675.html

ershealy

1 - There was no formula in 86. Formula was discontinued after '81 did not return till '87.

2 - That car looks like an 82 or 83, possibly an 84 given the grills in the nose

3 - That appears to be a Firebird 500 LE, originally white with blue stripes.

Do a search on this site, the Firebird 500 LE was explained in a previous thread.

82 Iron Duke

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Well whatever it is I just thought I would post it. Like previously stated I am not a Pontiac guy so I don't care about searching about it, I just thought someone might be interested in it

JeremyNYR

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That might be the most clueless, misinformed, lying, deceptive, greedy 3rd gen seller I've seen yet. It's not what he's representing it to be, and it's nowhere near worth what he's asking for it or claiming it has the potential to be worth.

82 Iron Duke

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OK now I am curious just to be curious. I just got off the phone with the owner and he is sending me the vin that I will post asap. He is stating it is an 86 prototype so

VenomX-87

UMM I thought a Formula was just a flashy base bird?
That is a 82-84 nose.

8T9 BANDIT

calling ofkoz the formy master.
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but i too think that add is b.s.

82 Iron Duke

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Here is what I got today in an e-mail.

"Sorry it took so long to get back to you but here's the stuff you wanted to know I did a copy paste right from carfax feel free to do it again its free...Also you can request all the records for this car right from Pontiac cost is about $29.95 if you ever come down you'll see on the rear trunk lid a small plaque that reads number #487 of 500 built above that it says "Limited Edition" sadly this was painted over so you cant quite make out who the custom builder was. I should take some paint stripper to it so we can read it?"

VIN 1G2FS87H9GL220796
Year/Make/Model: 1986 PONTIAC FIREBIRD
Body Style: HATCHBACK 2 DR
Engine Type: 5.0L V8 4BL
Manufactured In: UNITED STATES
Search Results: 12 records found in our database

Tonyrodz

Guy must definitely be on crack!

scottmoyer

This is not a Formula. The Formula debuted in 1987. This is a regional California car. I believe all the Firebird 500s were made for CA. This car should also be an 84, not an 86. The guy definately doesn't know what he's talking about.

BigBadWolf

You know before you start calling people names buddy you can drag you sorry butt over here and inspect the car for yourself! I never lied to anyone I have the paperwork and if you want too your free to go threw it with a fine tooth comb but before you go calling people liers I suggest you fricken got off your fat **** and come down and take a look for yourself. Jeez some people! And the offer still stands come take a look! check the numbers and badges for yourselves...but dont ever say I'm trying to can someone!

scottmoyer

Ok, so on that note, BigBadWolf, you're banned for 5 days. You don't join a forum just to scream and yell at other members. The car is not what you are advertising it to be. It is not a Formula, so the "misinformed" statement holds. The asking price is too high for this car, so the "greedy" holds. The next post states that you said it was a prototype, and again this is incorrect. Are you misinformed about what it is, or are you trying to be deceptive by saying that it's a prototype and because of this, it's worth the exorbitant asking price? Either way, no posting for you until you cool off!

85 T/A WS6

At Ease...I dont think anyone has a problem with the car being a Firebird 500.

The issue is you called it a Formula.

The nose, hood, rims all indicate otherwise.

Prototype? That might take some hard proof as experiment cars were rarely made street legal much less released to the public. There were no Formulas in 1986, same with GTA's

If you find builder info let us know, but you will discover that there was no special builder, except for the builder of the dash / trunk badges.

This was a dealer applied package.

82 Iron Duke

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I questioned the validity of the car yesterday through e-mail and this was his response.

"You know what this is real easy to settle come down and inspect the car. look at the badges...under the hood..door panel...I'm like you, I was real puzzled about this being a "86" Formula myself it wasn't listed as a regular production item. but there she sits in my carport...with the all the little plaques that say Formula 500 number 487 of 500 built...anyway like I said anyone is free to come look her over real good take pictures..now that I'm on disability I don't really have time the time to mess with it..."

Guest

Not exactly. The information I got many moons ago was Mecham did it. Sorta makes sense seeing as how they did actually number the cars. There were the decals too, specific to that car. They were hard to get in 1988 let alone today.

Not sure what that creation posted on craiglist is... but if its a 500LE it aint worth nothin anyway and if thats what it is, the rims and rear spoiler are wrong. I wonder what color the interior is... and what color the car was originally...

rideon1200

I dont think the guy should have been banned. The guy see himself being flamed on the site, what do you expect. Whats with being greedy. He might get the asking price and the new owner is happy, is he still greedy. Maybe the last owner lied to him. Maybe he doesnt know about 3rds and trusted the guy to believe what he was telling him when he brought it.Why ban a guy when we could have set him right on what he had. Basically it is a firebird 500. What a way to welcome a new member. At least he isnt ripping people off like currnet members of this board who are not banned. That is almost a ridiculous as banning a member for starting a thread on the 09 camaros.

rwdtech

"once she fixed up I would think a min of $25,000 asking price would be a fair starting opening bid." wahahahahhaha!!!

scottmoyer

He didn't come on here and state that this was what he knew of the car and if he was wrong, he'd change the listing, etc. His main intent was to come here and vent. We don't need that. Just like we don't need threads about the 09 Camaro here!

The banning is only for five days until the user has a chance to cool off. It seems to have worked with others. Consider it probation that is lifted in a few days with no history of it happening. Again, if he came here to discuss this, then fine, but he didn't. As moderator, it is my responsibility to maintain control in these forums. His retaliation post would have only started trouble. If a site admin believes the ban to be inappropriate, they can remove it.

It's not my responsibilty to ban members that "rip off" other members. And telling someone that they can have a $25k vehicle once restored IS ripping people off. It's called misrepresentation.

okfoz

To my knowledge there were no 86 Formulas,
If there was 500 of them I am 100% positive that someone else here would have had one... plackards & all...

This car has the LG4 which in itself indicates nothing as the LG4 was available on every version of the Firebird, S/E & Trans Am... The wheels are not 16" which would have been installed if it was a Formula as again to my knowledge all WS6 cars from 86+ had the 16" rims...
- Base Firebird hood... some of the concept Formulas did have the base Hood and base spoiler wing, final production dictated the buldge hood, again to follow the Ram Air setup or look from the 70's Formulas.
- The front bumper is from an 82-84 (mentioned prior)
- The rear bumper has been painted all yellow as the bumperetts (or whatever you want to call them) would have been black. No other variation was ever made by Pontiac.
-The Engine bay has an aftermarket air cleaner
-It has been repainted yellow as no Base Firebirds or S/E were painted #51 yellow gold in 1986 it was a Trans Am only thing that year...
- From DAY 1 even back in 1970 the Formula with a number behind it, the NUMBER indicates the engine size. I am not sure of the 70's cars and whether the base Formula did not recieve the number as the 80's cars, but I do know there was a Formula 350, Formula 455, Formula 400 etc.. But my specialty is not the 2nd gen...

As for the price, whatever floats someones boat. It may be worth what he is asking to somone out there. Not to me, I would probably pass for $1000 as the car is incomplete, needs more work than I could bear right now, and does not really appear to be anyting more than a Firebird with an LG4 which, year for year is the lowest power producing engine each year it was offered until 1988 when it was replaced by the LO3.

As for being RARE and worth $25000, when complete... not a chance. My 89 FORMULA 350 CONVERTIBLE is not worth that yet and there were only 42 made. So even with the 500 number he is stateing its ultimately not that rare of a car... There were probably fewer Yellow Formula's made in 1987 and that does not increase the value...

Sorry guy, unless you can scan and post some substancail information in the contrary the car does not apear to be anything other than a Firebird with a Formula badge...

John

JT

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I don't think you should be posting criticism about the staff's actions, and especially shouldn't continue to use threads to post about your personal experience with the ban process. There is actually a clearly stated rule about this. Speaking of misrepresenting, you were banned for more than just starting a thread on the 09 Camaro. You wouldn't follow simple, posted, forum rules on more than one instance.

Do not post about this topic (banning) again. Our forums aren't the place for such discussion.

As far as the owner of the vehicle in question, I wouldn't assume some of the things stated about him. It's quite possible he was passing along mis"information" that he was given, or read. Unfortunately, there is quite a bit of misinformation that can be found online about these vehicles. However, his response here wasn't exactly in the best interest.

86NiteRider

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Well I guess JT cleared that up quite nicely.

rideon1200

al8apex

there WERE Firebird 500's made

500 of them

Here is one:

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2610952

NONE were called Firebird Formula 500

Here is a picture of the sail panel decal for that car, note no mention of "Formula":



real Formulas WERE faster than T/As given the same engines because they were lighter

Formulas handled better too, because they had the SAME suspension and were lighter

the car in the cl in NM IS a Firebird 500, it is NOT anything else

Xophertony

neat spoiler. i would not want one, but neat.

JeremyNYR

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Wow, I had no idea this blew up so much over the past few days. Maybe i should've thrown and "or" between "misinformed" and "lying" in my statement, but i really don't take it back. The car has an 82-84 nose, doesn't appear to have the 86 only 3rd brake light on top of the hatch, and the badge does not say formula... nothing on the car appears to indicate it's a formula and the formula was not a "faster version of a trans am" as stated! I read the comment about them being lighter... how much do you really think ground effects and the wrap around spoiler weighed? It might add 50 lbs, which is hardly enough to say it's faster. A driver's weight could easily make more of an impact!

It's certainly the buyer's responsibility to determine value and decide what the vehicle it worth to them. But i can still state that I believe the seller to be misinformed or intentionally misrepresenting this vehicle. The price estimates are out of this world high and potentially misleading about the value of the vehicle. It's hard to imagine that he thinks it's really worth the prices he mentioned unless he himself was persuaded to pay way too much for it.

rideon1200

I think misinformed is the word. It a mismatched piece there. Who know what says Formual, but is defintly is several cars in that one.

Guest

I dont think anyone has said otherwise. There's more than a few things wrong with that car, and the chances its one of the aftermarket sticker package 500LE's is slim since its missing some parts and apparently has the dash plaque on the exterior of the car somewhere based on the yellow paint.

okfoz

Jeremy, to set the record straight the ground effects were not the only thing that was different for the Trans Am. They also included the driving lights, and some other little goodies that would have made the difference easily around 100#. If all things being equal that would mean about .1 sec on the Quarter mile... This statement was was true on his behalf... Unfortunately there was not a Formula in 86...

John

al8apex

here is that picture i knew i had of the NOS emblems/decals:

Jproz1167

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wasn't the firebird 500 the equivalent of chevrolets olympics edition camaro ? of 1984?

Guest

Yep, those are the right decals. You know at some point, GM was selling same decals but black instead of the correct metallic blue. They stuck those on my car after a repair (the front end) and apparently thought I wouldnt notice.

3rdgenparts

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The Firebird 500 was just some dealer sales gimmick to sale more cars.Same as the Pro Am and Bandit II cars.Just mainly an appearance package.

I thought it was '84/85 only .

Dave

84L69TA

Not "mainly"...thats ALL it was

82 Iron Duke

iTrader: (21)

Here's an update, I don't remember his original asking price but I am pretty sure is has come down a bunch.

http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/car/451270663.html