UR50SLO

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Hey guys... FINALLY got the car done and out driving...
Had a 250cid Buick setup in it running low 10's on pump gas but knew I needed to have the car at a different level and learn a new engine platform.

Have a Billy Briggs 427 fRHS Block LS7 CNC Mast heads with a Rossler 4L80E and Pro-Torque Lock up converter. I installed a single 98mm turbo on the passenger side.

Currently I have it running on wastegate spring pressure of 10.8psi (loggs about 11psi) on 93pump gas with 11.5afr and 14deg of total timing under boost.

Up on Billy's Dyno chained down it made 789rwhp (pulled to 6200)

I drove it down to Brenspeed for their Dyno shootout/Show last Saturday.

There were 44 cars that went on the dyno I ended up being the Highest HP

Car there with 730rwhp (spinning) .... Mike Roy with the Twin Turbo Monty made 1400hp but he was there for exibition... Glad he let's us little guy's have some fun

Anyway... I plan on going down to the LSX Shoot out October 13th weekend in Indy and running in the "True Street" class where you do a 50mi cruse
and then 3 back to back passes.... The fastest avarage wins.

I've not tried the chassis with this setup yet so we'll see how the car does and put some more timing in it and boost as I figure the chassis out
and slowly turn the car up.
One step at a time!
Pictures:

Orr89RocZ

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Wow talk about a change up. Lol fantastic numbers that thing should come alive on 10 more psi lol get that turbo and ls7 heads working! Cars gonna be a monster

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Is this the car I seen at one of the mid michigan races years back? Maybe a M Event? Crazy setup man! Looks clean too. Wouldnt be suprized to see a 9.30 first pass out!

UR50SLO

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Thanks!

I have to read plugs as the RHS block doesn't have provisions for Knock Sensors... I'm going to do some research on that and see if I can't get some hooked up so I can use the ESC part of the Holley Dominator setup.

I really like that Holley system!!!!!!

Hope to switch to a stock style suspension and a fab 9 next year....
We'll see how what I have works next week
~Scott

Orr89RocZ

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Should beable to drill and tap block like the sbc are and put a sensor in down low near the water jackets

UR50SLO

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Yea... I'm not really sure what it'll run right now... Chassis work is next... but this is about as low as I can go on power so at least it's somewhere to start engine tuning and chassis tuning... (Crossing fingers)


Yep... That was my old setup... was going 10.3's-10..5's on pump gas ect..
(Previous setup)

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Mint! Single 98? Or 88? 98 is monsterous and the hp potential of that set up.... is rather high LOL. 1500+ Damn man, thats some badassery if there there ever was such a thing. Briggs... top shelf. TRACK VIDS!!!!! woot

Javier87z28

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Sweet, curious to see what this set up will bring once its done!

UR50SLO

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Thanks for the encouragement guys.... It's a single 98mm Precision with a 60mm wastegate. I have a 1.00 Exhaust housing on it now I have a 1.50 housing too.

As I said I don't have any idea if the chassis can handle what it has now.... One step at a time.... This coming weekend (October 13th) I'll take it down to the LSX Shootout and
see what kind of MPH and times It'll do. I'll set the RPM shift points about 5800 for now and see how it go's from there as I look over data logs and launch with no boost....
MPH should tell me where I'm at.
I'll let you know how it go's next weekend!
Thanks!
Scott~

NemeSS-TyranT

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hell yea!
that previous v6 cold side.looked super clean.

FSTFBDY

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always loves that v6 setup. New one is just as bad ***. I would love some more pic's of that new core support.Looks clean and frees up a lot of room.

UR50SLO

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Here is some "Along the way" build pic's....

The Intercooler is made by Sheerer Fabrication... It's two 3" Garette core's welded together so it's 6" thick with 4" inlet/outlet.. He designed it for the 4th gen's but with us making fresh stuff from the strut tower forward it was just a matter of making some brackets.
I also use a BeCool Radiator for 4th gen... so all the inlet/outlets are in the right spot.

FSTFBDY

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Very nice. I like the notched non a/c heater box. Thats what I need to do for mine.

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Looking forward to results, take er easy and remember to LIFT if it gets squirrely, better to take another pass than to try and drive through a risky scenario.

UR50SLO

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I'm hoping that It'll be predictable like it was with the V6.... But I think at this point I'm about 200rwhp above where I was.
I'd leave the line with 6-7psi with the V6 and go 1.48 60's off the foot brake with a Drag Radial.
I now decided to put the regular ET Street's back on it so I don't shake the tires and break the Detroit Locker in the rear end. (Crossign fingers)
The rest of the track with the V6 and drag radials was very streight... no wiggles or swaying... very good. I figured the ET Streets will give me a little more flex but should not be all over the place.?
I may have to get another set of rear rims ... bead lock them and have a set of Drag Radials ready to go too.... I do like driving with the Radials much better.....
With the radials with any amount of a roll on the street it would dead hook...
Stopped with boost launch was really not a good idea.... nothing but lighting them off.

Thanks for the suggestions ... I've not launched the car street or strip so this Friday will be the first time.... I'll try at 0 to 2psi first and see how it go's and where the boost hits... and how it holds once boost is there ... Should be interesting!
~Scott

Oh.. yea the car had NO A/C from the factory.. it was a heater car... weird huh...

UR50SLO

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I agree 100% Took your advice...

Drove down to the LSX Shootout at Indy.... It's about a 400mi round trip with the "True Street" cruse and me getting lost once... Lol...

First pass left pretty much at 1500rpm let it shift early around 4500rpm and 10.80-11psi 2.10 60' went 10.7@140mph

Second pass brought it up a little more but still no boost off line 1.87 60'
115mph 1/8mi and car kind of nosed over about the 900ft mark. (Later found the MAP sensor connection was not good. Dropped fuel out of it and felt like it shut off)
Went 10.300@145.59mph

If the weather is good this coming weekend Martin Mi has test and tune from Noon till 6pm... I plan on driving it up and actually using some boost to launch for the first few passes if all go's well I'll go ahead and try the Transbrake for the first time EVER! Never used it with the V6 setup and Definatly not with this setup!!!!
Anyhow the drive down and back was great... 1700rpm at 65-70mph with the converter locked up in Overdrive... DVD player on and heater to keep me warm...

First shakedown pass... slow but streight and no drama... how I like it.

Orr89RocZ

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Nice! Get a feel for it and let it eat! What boost was that, just spring 10-11 psi?

UR50SLO

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Yep... it's the 10.8 spring with no controller hooked up right now... most I saw it hit was 11.2psi... But about mid pass I think the MAP sensor connection was getting lost as it was boucing all over the place 8... then 2 then 6 then 10 back and forth till it finally dropped all the way off and shut down. 14deg of total timing in boost. Plugs look way safe on timing still and Intake Air Temps are very low.

The Holley system did a great job again and didn't drop fuel out till it really dropped off.
I can't believe how good that setup is... Saved my butt twice now. (Once fuel pump now MAP sensor)
Now to hook up my 3 Step (total RPM) (I already set that)
Low RPM (Going into staging beams) 3200
High RPM (Second set of bulbs triggerd by T-brake) 3800

Funny you said "Let it Eat" that's what the guy's with the Crusty Nova I hung out with all weekend said... Quit playing around and Let it Eat... Never head that before I was crackin up....
If you've not seen the Crusty Nova he go's 8.60's and drives it everywhere... He won the LSX Shootout in "True Street" on Saturday... Twin Setup on LS
Shane Mc Clelland is his name... Great guy and very cool car!
~Scott

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Looking good!!! Haha @ let it eat they been saying that on tech for a while now. That Shane guy is having allllllll kinds of fun with that Nova, stirring up #$%& and talking smack calling out pretty much everyone hahaaa fun stuff.

UR50SLO

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Shane is a normal guy.... Super fun to hang out with... Chilled all day Saturday with him and Blake... Glad they won it...!

They had to dissassemble the trophy just to get it in the car (Over 6ft tall Lol)

The Stuff on Yellow Bullet is just to get guys to read it and also you can't speak softly in that place you'll get eaten... Much the reason I don't post anything there
~Scott

Orr89RocZ

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Thats also why that site kinda sucks

Javier87z28

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Definetly not a bad run!

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True he is a good egg and lots of fun indeed. This site doesnt suck, its just different and has some real class and purity to it. Post up about other chassis than third gens here and expect to get killed and eaten quick :P

I like the integrity of TGO and Id have no issue with any kids reading the content here. Some other boards??? Ummmm id be worried until they were of age at least

UR50SLO

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There are several boards I frequent when I have time... I enjoy sharing info here... on TurboBuick.com Some of the other boards I've kind of slipped since I'm not doing V6 much anymore... Been doing mainly LS swaps now.

The Yellowbullet I found out quick that It's just best to stick with the Turbocharged section and classifieds... the rest just get's out of control and isn't for me at all.

Going to be nice tomorrow again so I'll be setting up the couple things on my "To Do list" and getting ready for Saturday's drive and Test-Tune
~Scott

FSTFBDY

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very nice. That thing is gonna be an animal when worked out.

haha, YB is a love hate relationship with some. The Tech subforums are good.
TOBT is a crazy free for all.

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We have Milan rented tonight from 5-10:30pm motownmuscle.com

$25 to test n tune come on out! I'll be trying to go 10.90 with this 6 banger! Weather looks nice and chilly!!

Be ready so scrape bumper off that trans brake!! I've seen too many friends do it....=»]»oilpan=«]\«°<crunch°=[{-°

cam-

If I didnt have so much to do today I think id make that tour. its about 5hrs from here but cest la vies. Have fun and keep er straight

vids pls

UR50SLO

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Well looks like that 30% chance of rain they had forcasted for Saturday is now 60% and it's raining here
I wish I could get paid to be wrong 90% of the time...

Martin MI CLOSED Saturday/Sunday

How did Milan Race go AutoRoc?

zx10rcobra

Hey man... If you don't mind my asking, how street able is that 98mm with a 4xx ci motor??? I'm building a 9.1-9.3cr 403ci stroker LS2 and definitely contemplating this particular turbo. where does this thing start spooling? Thanks in advance!

UR50SLO

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I'm still at the beginning of tuning but from the two
Dynos I've been to boost starts at 3200
And I'm at 10psi by 4200... That is with no boost
Controller at all. It will be quicker once I hook all
The Holley stuff up.
Driving around is no probelm at all.
Drove over 400mi to Indy and back with those
First two light test passes... Other than the MAP sensor
Connector no issues.
For your setup I'd run the 88mm or close to that...
It's a great turbo that supports plenty of power and will
Come on a little quicker with smaller cubes.
Yours should be great!!!!
Hope that helps
Scott

Orr89RocZ

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That spools quicker than my twin 70's lol i may start seeing boost by 3500, and depending on amount total, see full boost by 4400-4500. If low it will see full boost by 4000, higher stuff alittle later lol.

zx10rcobra

Good to hear everything's going well. I'm honestly pressed between doing the billet PT98 or a 94mm GT5533 with the billet wheel... I have a wicked th400 and a good converter with a 4200 stall... I'm not so worried about spool. I'd almost rather do the 98mm cause I know I won't have to kill it nearly as hard... I want to see 1300rwhp on kill mode what ever the case. only other concern is the stories about precision. How have they been to you?

UR50SLO

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If you've got a looser converter then go with the better flowing
Turbo... Keep your hot side short and 2.25"
To merge at t-6 flange.
I got my turbo used... It has done great so far
-6 feed and 12 return to pan.
1300rwhp will take about 22psi based on where
I'm at with low timing and 11psi.
I think this winter I'm going to do a actual custom EFI meth setup with
Lots of safety's available through the Holley setup.
I'm pretty sure I can trap over 150 on regular 93 and with this meth setup
Get over 160....
It'll take a good portion of summer and testing to get there but I really
Think it's possible.
Next is boost control.... Then set up the other two rev-limiters for staging and launching
Once I have those working correctly I can move on to rolling in more power
And see when the chassis is not able to handle it.
I'm pretty impressed with the LS platform so far and love the Rossler 4L80E
I've always been willing to put on a little bigger turbo and grow into it... They end up
Making more power at a lower PSI and much less intake air temps as the air is not getting beat up as much. Defiantly have it pull air from outside the engine bay!
That is HUGE for INtake air temps... Can't stress that enough.
Post some progress pic's!!!!
Scott~

UR50SLO

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Orr89... I spent Drag Week with Dave Henninger...
He's running a 400inch LS with two 65/52's
Very small turbos... He went 7.80@182...
Pretty amazing they look tiny with a 2 1/4 collectors
Your car being a Sbc engine makes more torque than
Our LS stuff ....wonder if a bit smaller exhaust housing might wake up
The bottom end of yours?

Orr89RocZ

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I used to run .68's on housing a/r but with new motor and hp goals i thought it would be restrictive. Spool is ok where its at, as it gives a better chance at traction and reduces boost onslaught at peak trq rpms all good things for street but it does feel alittle lazy. I got .96's now.

Havent tried this combo with new converter. Last year despite valvetrain issues, converter was 500 rpm or so below optimal rpm for the boost threshold for these turbines. I ran as is and used nitrous to get me goin as quick fix. Didnt want to take car apart mid year for a converter. Now that its stalling properly i bet my response will wake up
However new age turbo wheels are doing extremely well. Big flow thru smaller diameters. My mp's are old and outdated. A modern 60 mm seems to produce as much as my 70mm. Someday when i can afford it i will consider "good" turbos lol but for now i will be happy with the results

zx10rcobra

which back housing do you have again? is yours journal or ball bearing??? thanks

LastGTA

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Awesome. I'm working on a turbo LSX set up in my T/A. I'll look for you at the shootout next year.

UR50SLO

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Cobra.... I'm using the 1.00 housing on the exhaust side right now. It's just a journal bearing turbo. I have a 1.5 housing up above the office that came with the turbo.

GTA..> That's great... I really like the LS setup so far.. It was tough to switch from what I'm use to and know but I'm enjoying learning as I go with the LS platforum.

Orr...I think I read on your thread about the valve train issues... Hope that is all behind you now.... It's nice when the bugs get behind you and you can enjoy it again!

UR50SLO

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First Full Pass on car yesterday at US131 Drag Way...

9.84@147mph

Still on pump gas through the mufflers on wastegate spring only 10.8spring (was making about 12psi max)

Left the line soft with a 1.7x 60' time.

Second pass 9.804@147mph same 60' time...

Drove 160mi round trip and got somewhere in the 17-20mpg range

cam-

Nice approach. Workin up safely.... damn... I cant even guess where that thing will end up at max effort MPH or et wise. 8's at least id have to guess. Sheer badass!!!

UR50SLO

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Thanks!

It took me a bit to dial in the Buick setup that was in the car before... I just went at it one pass at a time.... Watching plugs and Datalogs.... This is no different... same process needs to be done.... Rather be safe and bring in the power one step at a time.

I should have it ready by spring with the launch stuff enabled and a few other things on my list for the winter to change/tweak. It'll come around and I'll be able to turn it up by Drag Week 2014!
~Scott

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Aha! Drag week plans already eh? Thats one hell of an event, definitely on my bucket list as well. Looks like all kinds of fun/adventure that tests the will and stamina of most all who attempt it. Except of course LS boost guys hehe

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Shooting for 7.99 would be a good goal! nice hits!

UR50SLO

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I really like Drag Week... Great group of guys/gals that go on it... Best event I've ever gone to (Twice now)
Once in 2009 In this car with V6... (Got the quickest six)
and this year in a Mustang with my old V6 in it (Quickest Six again)

Hopefully I'll have good luck again this coming year with the Camaro... Working the bugs out now so hopefully I won't have to find them going 1200mi and working my tail off to finish the event.... I'd rather help others out... More rewarding that way.
~Scott

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Yeah true. Its a lot more pleasurable to offer some aid then to be stressing how your going to get your own junk back together to get "out of here" lol. Reminds me of snowmobile trips.... Getting "out of here" has a whole new meaning when your junks broke and your 100miles from heat and its -40 out. Work fast, clever, and effective, or you can get into trouble real quick. Crazy sport.

Anyways drag week this year I was at BG for LSfest all weekend and Sunday was DW beginnings so I saw Cappy grenade that Jerrico and a few others make runs. Left about 5pm though and most DW guys were just kinda rolling in, not sure if you were there or not but I did watch some of the runs.

UR50SLO

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Yep.. I was there Sunday for registration... it was hot.... I didn't make any test passes... Just dropped off truck and waited in line forever... Left for motel about 4pm... It was darn hot all week...

Never thought about Snowmobile's getting stuck somewhere in the middle of nowhere and freezing... Huh... kinda scarry! Lol...
I encourage guy's to try Drag Week... it is great... truley some fantastic guy's that go and support each other ... Very special event!
~Scott

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You mean truly insane guys that understand each others plight? Agreed lmao jk yeah its a purist thing, for sure. Plus hey man its a lot of time work and money to win a jacket

But thats what keeps it legit more than likely. If it ever turns into a big purse thing, it'll be lousy fun and just plain work. Anyways its def on my bucket list but I need to build something for it first. Next project maybe the one after.

I'd also like to do Pikes Peak one day too. Purpose build something insane for it. As you can see I have plenty of dreams, hope I have enough time, money, and health to see them all through. *goes back to work*

UR50SLO

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Pike's Peak! Now that's a entire new level of crazy... Watched many of those guy's come close or go off the edge... I'd do it on a motor scooter that go's 30mph! Lol

The guys at Hot Rod do say exactly that.. if money go involved it'd get messy and the entire thing would go sour. As you said it's not really about the money it's all about the people and cars .. Love it!

Here's the ticket from last saturday.

cam-

Thats cool that the HR guys agree with that point about keeping the money out of it. Thats classy and very school playground type thinking where we play for the love of the game, the sweet satisfaction of participating, chasing victory, and nothing else. Money changes everything, and sure takes the fun out of a lot of things that were fun before the dollars became the focus.

I like those HR guys, I had no idea who Freiburger or Finnegan were before Roadkill debuted but they are purists and seem like cool dudes ( aside from the obvious Mopar influenced brain damage ) Boys.... dont drink the kool aid

As for Pikes Peak? Yeah it is one of the pinnacles of hardcore motorsports for sure. Its a shame its paved the whole way up now though, takes half the excitement out of it.

Anyways as for your runs at147 mph? Dayum.... Wonder what the MPH will be at 20+ lbs Need a test driver? hahaha

UR50SLO

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Freiburger and Finnegan are pretty cool cats... (agree with mopar lol) With the event growing in size and popularity every year it's tough to contain. There were 230 cars this year and being that hot out 59 dropped out.
It was a very good test this year for sure.

The MPH at 147 is good for wastegate spring pressure only. Just need to work on my 60' times. I'm calling MadMan Fab today to see if I can get my Fab9 started so I'll be able to install that in the spring and get the set up dialed in. Physical for NHRA Licence... Do my Licence passes Re-cert my chassis again ... scatter shield install and a few little odds/ends and hope to be very ready for the spring!

I didn't reailize they prepped pikes peak with road... I don't think if they used superglue it'd be safe at any speed... yikes!