MarkB

didnt know i was invited? as far as dyno'n....if im invited,,i will be flogging the hell out of my 455 sprint {elcamino}will have the exhaust,ignition,cam,intake upgrades done way before then,next month hopefully if $$ permits.

and my 86 T/A

MarkB

lmao..*puts on flame suit* hey sean....you have no idear how big of a can of worms you just opened.... you dont have the cashflow to compete performance or suspension wise with a few of the crew guys...*cough..dewey..schultzy* i know theres more,but i know you guys have sick suspensions.

as far as the 700r4 thing, i converted my 82 transam from a 4spd stick to 700r auto,it had been fully rebuilt with the corvette servos and the 3/4 throttle OD switch{forgot the actual part name,sue me! }

it would not stay into OD at anything more then about 3/4 pedal,they just wont do it,its there so you dont burn up over drive.even if you ease into full throttle it will downshift back to 3rd. i had the red car upto probably around 130 MAYBE 140,and it was scarier then ****! your 83 z has/had the same suspension my red 82 t/a had and they handle like ***....so either you have big brass ***** to take a early turdgen car to 160 like you say...or your just misinformed.

btw i beleive a stock 7004 will OD-3rd kickdown at 1/2 throttle.

i have access to a radar gun,and plenty of long flat straight roads,,,i wanna see the 160 flyby

rjmcgee

LMAO at Sqeekers, I'll run ya.:lala:

Dewey316

i'll run you in the twisties with the stock l03 in the car.

and there are a few guys who actualy race their cars who i am sure would be more then willing to let you join them at the track for a whoop down. now i am not going to get into a pissing match about who's car will handle better becasue it is useless, there are so many things that you just can't take into consideration, that really make a car handle. and until you understand all those little things, you will be looking at my car wondering how it handles so well with the factory springs/shocks still on the car. now dont' get me wrong i am not doubting you were driving fast, but we all know how fast 160 is, and we all know thirdgens, and it is a hard pill for us to swallow.

Squeeks83

Hammer: ok wait till i get my stuff done and ill run ya, i bet it will be close, what numbers are you throwing down now if you know, or what are you planning for?

john: im not doubting that others know more then me on a few things, but you dont understand with me, i wont stop until i get it to where i know its the peak, i know for sure that my car is going to handle close if not better then yours, im not saying yous is crap, but you just dont understand the research i have done and the things i have orderd to get it there, in the last few weeks i have made/ordered more then 3k worth of suspention components, i just have to start to put back together my engine, and put everything into the bird.

give me till the end of next summer and everything will be fully tuned and rearin to kiss some ****.

mark: you know i may be wrong, i stated that i was going 160 by what the information i was provided, it may be wrong or i may have entered it wrong, but if not then thats what i was at, im not doubting that i wasnt going slower then that, im just stating that that is was i was told by those calculations.

SO BEFORE ANYONE ELSE REPLY'S THEY SHOULD READ WHAT I HAVE SAID, I MAY BE WRONG BUT THIS IS WHAT IT SAID SO ITS OK TO STOP SAYING IM WRONG, when i have stated that i may be, if my instramention is off.

MarkB

your instrumentation goes to 160+ mph? lol

and im so hella curious about this high revving engine you have with plenty of power...

i my self am building a DZ302 clone for my 86 transam... yunno 283 crank into a small journal 327...i beleive most of us know the capabilities of the dz 302

so do tell us about this high revving powerplant yua got...im curious.

rjmcgee

What does the DZ stand for?

I think Squeaks is putting one or two or maybe a dozen turbos on his 305. It will make 12,345 hp at 16,000 rpm's. We will all be owned.

Demon Z28

Shean... I'll take you on in my Beretta if you're talking about corners...

Doesn't take power to drive a car to its limits, it takes driving skill.

Demon Z28

Food for thought Boyo.

currently, every last person who has replied, would stomp the everlovin **** out of you car for car.

by the end of next summer, they'll STILL be able to...


hell by the end of next summer I have every intention of having a 3800SC in the beretta... so I'll take you on in both the straights AND the twisties... :lala:

MarkB

rodney,to be honest im not totally sure exactly what the "dz" stood for,i beleive it was an option code in 69? anyone else know?

the dz302 was used primarily for the transam road racing series goin on back in the late 60s early 70s,very high winding,powerful *** motor,450hp to 500 isnt unheard of for these motors..

4 inch bore with a 3 inch stroke...revs to 8k plus with some arp studs and bolts,and pulls like a heard of oxen al lthrough the powerband

only reason im doin this,is because i like high winding motors...i know i can squeeze power out of it,and its something yua dont see every day,plus i got the 283 and 327 dirt cheap

btw the stock 69 dz302 came with a 4 barrel intake,and the "crossram" intake with 2 4 barrel holleys,ive read chevy included this with all the 302 cars,and left it up to the buyer to install,was in the trunk or something {again if im wrong any one feel free to comment}

MarkB

hey aaron...yunno i was thinking...i can get you a northstar v8 for your beretta for 600 bucks that 2.8 5spd bellhousing will basically bolt right up btw,whenever you need to get those motor mounts done.lemme know and we can do them at my house.

Demon Z28

I got the motor mounts done over the weekend, thanks though, I was working on a roadster with Mer's father and he said he'd do it if I helped with the roadster and did some work for him so I went that way...

a northstar won't fit, its dimensions would require some extensive work since its too wide and a bit too long as well...

I'd love to, but to do it would cost loads more

MarkB

well they got a 3800sc from a bonneville there for i beelive he said 600 also.complete...

btw anyone wanting a COMPLETE LT1 4L60E,30k mile motor with harness,air intake,trans a/c system from a 95 t/a 2k bucks would take it.

Demon Z28

at the moment all I need are some GTZ or Z26 seats, big side bolsters, ones that can keep you in your spot...

black or grey...

find me some

Schultzy89GTA

Well I know better than to respond but I just can't help myself. Squeeks, you came off alright in person but you continue to look like a real wiener online. You are talking some serious smack my young jedi!

One of the reasons that we all hang out on these boards is to learn from others and to share our experiences. Please enlighten us as to your new found suspension expertise. Perhaps we will learn something.

LMAO - I am ready for my **** to be kissed! You name it and I will be there. Hopefully you will not be like so many others who have come and gone only to be so much BS in a bag.

Good luck on the project.

-Schultzy

Demon Z28

arguing john's knowledge of suspension and research is like arguing my knowledge of severe depression and its effects on you and those around you...

you'll be hard pressed to top john in knowledge for a suspension that works

CanadianCamaro

Hey Aaron, if ya need any help with that conversion (when the time comes) klet me know... I'm looking for a cheap Beretta and so I can do that exact same swap, the experience would be great!! Kelly want's a Beretta to replace his Corsica

Dewey316

man we are goign to have all these little hopped up berretta running around. hmm you guys know if a 4.3 could get stuck in there? then at least you can say that your 3/4 of a car, has 3/4 of a real engine

Demon Z28

no a 4.3 can't be done... atleast not to my knowledge...

the only northstar or other v8 swaps I've seen have involved some extensive modification to the point where its not really a beretta anymore

rjmcgee

Thats a bad thing??????

Demon Z28

yes... I rather like having a light car

rjmcgee

What sucks is knowing that you are only 20 minutes a day, 3 days a week on a treadmill from shaving a couple tenths off of your ET.

Demon Z28

I've come to accept the fact that regardless of how much i work out, I will never be under the 225 mark, because I do weight lifting as well

but atleast I won't look as much as I weigh (I dunno if I look as heavy as I really am to begin with though)

Squeeks83

schultzy: i will take you on, im just tired of a few people in the CC group constantly saying things and not thinking of how they effect the other person, look on the boards more often, your seeing a few people drop off here and there, i bet there will be more because of that.

i am just stating that i would love to have some people coem and challenge, because if all permits i WILL have probally one of the fastest and best handling cars in this club.

but you know your all right, i dont know **** about ****, im just a lil jedi that doesnt know anything even though i put down what numbers with how cheap of mods done to my car.

you people dont know me, i come off differently in person as i do online, you should NEVER question my knowledge on engines unless your pulling more numbers then me with less cash into it.

it may be only 213RWHP but thats still kickin the **** out of most the people in the club.

so i guess ill contact you all if we have a meet at the end of the summer when im done and we can see whats up.

and you know that if i am wrong i will admit it and give props to the person/persons who show me up, but if you all keep talking **** about me and i kick the crap out of you i will never respect anyone of you in any way.

you dont know my knowledge because i dont reply on tech boards, i ask advice and sit back and learn while others open their mouths.

so just wait and have fun spending your cash on expencive and useless crap.

Demon Z28

Doubt it, most people have thicker skins and know how to take some ribbing here and there....

Again, doubt it. You're making a challenge for a year and a half in advance. You should be making a challenge NOW for what you have NOW. Not later. Plans change. We know you Shean, you can't keep a damn project going for the life of you. In as little as 6 months, you changed your ideas and what you wanted to do how many times? What have you done to prove that in the next year that nothing will change? There is a lot of factors to think about within a year ...

Oh but we do know you... because every last one of us has been there and done that. We can question it because there are a lot of folks who know better. Its not just numbers that make the driver sweetheart, its time you realize that. we will ALWAYS question your knowledge on engines ... becaues anything you have done, I can almost guarantee someone else has done it for less.

I suppose that is possible... but 213rwhp seems to be about on par with more than just a few people here... and way less than a lot of others. You keep running that mouth Sheanboy... we'll just keep watching.

you won't admit it or give props. You'll still have some smartass remark like "yeah but mine still cost me less" or "you've been driving longer" or something lame like that. I have no doubt in my mind that I could make a list of people who'd show you up. currently, and in the future.

So who are you talking about kicking the crap out of?
You talk about respect but you sure don't seem to care to show any at the moment.


we know your knowledge because you HAVE opened your mouth. You just don't realize that you have done so. asking advice is one thing. Actually building a high horsepower motor from what you have been told? thats completely different.

However... since you're bringing up the cash thing again. Have you ever wondered why people spend so much? Its so things don't break. so things are guaranteed. its also because they want things done right the first time, and they want specific things that cost a bit more.

it's a whole new ballpark when you start talking bigger numbers.
I hope you realize that.


by the way... since we're on the subject of money...
who bought your cars again and who's name are they on?
and, just because i'm curious... what entails $3000 worth of suspension parts? hmm?

Dewey316

ok shawn you are on, both bang for the buck, and all.
i'll even do it with my 305.

how much did that pretty little 350 cost you. i have just over 1k TOTAL into heads/intake/ect (that is including tools) and i am willing to bet money that i put down a he11 of lot more than 213 HP on they dyno in january.

but hell, what do we know, we are nothing to compared to all mighty squeeks.

on a side note, since i am willing ot admit i don't know a whole lot about engines, and rebuilding them . . . but i do know quite a bit about suspensions, and they way they work. i want to know what you spent 3k on, either you don't know as much as you do, or you just bought everything, everyone sells. with 3k to blow on suspension i would be taking on C5R's. you will soon learn, that there is alot more than just a few fancy parts, that is needed to make a car handle, i bet you have no idea about tuning corner weights, sway bar tension vs spring rates, adjusting your end-link lenght for swaybar pre-load. alignment, and how all of that works together to make a car handle.

in fact i am rather insulted that think with a 'research' that you think you understand suspension, and think that you know more than i do. you want to talk about respect kiddo, you have to earn it, and right now you aren't doing that.

BTW, what happened to your attitude of 2 weeks ago, when you told me to F-off, and said the crew could F-off, ect, ect, ect. you seem to be posting here quite a bit for having the attitude that you did when you msg'd me to cuss me out.

Crusader

iTrader: (1)

Well, from my stand point looks like you should put yourself in that group. Seem's you've been exploding quite a bit in this thread, people are trying to show some facts and you come off with the I'm right and your wrong and I'm not going to listen attitude. Thats not going to make you any friends around here....

Quote:

look on the boards more often, your seeing a few people drop off here and there, i bet there will be more because of that.

I had a bunch typed out for this but my computer crashed and I don't recall it enough to retype it

Quote:

i am just stating that i would love to have some people coem and challenge, because if all permits i WILL have probally one of the fastest and best handling cars in this club.

Thats a pretty bold and arrogant statement

Quote:

it may be only 213RWHP but thats still kickin the **** out of most the people in the club.

Congradulations, your worked over 350 put out a whole 29 horse more than my stock 305, and 16 less than Mike's internally stock 305. That doesn't make kicking the s**t out of people in my book.

Thats all I have for this thread, keep it civil if you want it to stay open.

Dewey316

actualy, IIRC mikes car had stock runners, and itake base too.

Demon Z28

the only thing mike ever did to that engine I believe was an air filter and obviously his beautiful exhaust

considering the fact that shean hypes up his 350... he sure seems to have a lot of 305's in that same hp/tq area that he was at

Squeeks83

ok well for one, i am defending my self because people dont ask well how do you know that, they just call bs, i was stating what was shown to me by what i etered in that equation.

i dont care about the past and how much i did spend because i jumped into things without really thinking ahead.

now i am thinking ahead and figuring out what will be eeded to be done to be able to handle the power of the engine and to able to take corners like others.

im sorry that i come off as such a dick or arrogant at times its just that i dont like people calling BS on me when i am just relaying what i was shown, right or wrong.

but if you do check i did say that it could be wrong, and ok so i was.

aaron, check the RPM's, it stated 4,900. ask josh, he will tell you that it still pulls there expecallt at WOT, we found this out a few weeks ago when i took him and 2 others for some fun in the camaro.

ok then everyone please tell me what the hell i should do to not sould like a dick. i have just grown up with people constantly making fun of things that i am prowd of and im just tired of it when people call bs before they really ask why i think it was like that.

john: i dont think i ever said that i know more then you with suspention, but i i did say that then i ment that i would like to, it just came out that way.

you all can should be able to understand my feelings for my car, its my first car, yes my dad did buy it, so waht, its in his name because im not 18 so it cant be in mine. so what.

also i ment by having 3k to spend on suspention was that was my budget for everyhing and anything that would be needed to handle like johns car, or if i could better. geese i may just spend $500 and have a kiss *** suspention system.

but then all if i am wrong about you all then please HELP me rather then rip apart my thoughts and ideas. i would like to learn more but when people are saying im dumb and dont know **** like aaron is it aint helping ****.

MarkB

1987 Firebird Formula WS6
all new suspention
high reving engine with plenty of power
G-Forse T-5

FOR SALE:
1983 Camaro Z28
$3,000

STUFF FOR SALE

i STILL want details on this high revving engine with plenty of power...

and how killer could your suspension be,if you cant even spell suspension right?

sean from now on,id pick and choose your comments wisely,i myself have learned this very lesson.

Dewey316

here it comes, you want to know how to get us to respect you.

BE HONEST!

Quote- in the last few weeks i have made/ordered more then 3k worth of suspention components

Quote- also i ment by having 3k to spend on suspention was that was my budget for everyhing

So shean which is it? 3k spent, or 3k to spend? do you have the parts, or don't you.

the reason people call is because of statements like that. we aren't impressed with people who can talk big, or hype themselfs up, we are impressed by people who are straight, and honest. we don't care how fast your car is, or how well it handles, cause in the end it is just a car. we care what the person behind the wheel is like.

and you come across as a dick because you come across like you are talkign down to everyone.

ex. "i would love to see anyone or you keep up in the corners and/or straits, that would be a fun sight seeing you try."

that is a VERY bold statement, and comes across to us as a better than you attitude. ya know, the fastest guys in this group that i can think of have never even come close to making a statement like that. because they don't have to, we know whos cars are fast, we don't need you to try to run anything in peoples faces. especialy when we all know what you car does. we all saw it dyno.

Demon Z28

well I can always attack your spelling, can I do that?

Shean, people attack you because you come off as an arrogant know it all, and now you're backpedaling, and you're leaving yourself open for more attacks.

People call BS because they want truth, not just some numbers you plugged in...
A little bird told me you couldn't have been going more than 120-130 tops because they were only going about 90 to pass a semi...

I don't really have to ask Joshy anything.

No one is making fun of the things you're proud of, unless you're proud of having a big ego. No one has made any fun of the cars you have owned with the exception of me and the ownership of those cars. Not once has anyone talked trash about your 83 until provoked, and only then to prove you wrong. No one has said a word about the firebird yet. Everyone starts somewhere. If they do poke fun, its just that, POKING FUN. Don't take it so seriously... they poked fun at my camaro all the time for a lot of reasons, as well as poked fun at me because I didn't have my license for so long... but I dealt with it and I rolled with it. No big deal.

What will be needed to be done to handle the power and take corners? Better driving skills would work. That is a MUCH larger part of it than just having the power and suspension to do so. You can make all the power you want to and have the most expensive and extensive suspension in the world, but if you don't know how to use it, you're as good as dead. If you don't believe it, fine. Just don't go touting your skills and numbers when there are people all over the world who do things professionally that involve more power, more tuning for suspension and FAR more skill than you will ever have, and die or put their cars over cliffs all the time. You're playing a dangerous game and from what little you have posted, until you have a higher degree of skill, you're a danger to everyone including yourself. You may not think so, no one really ever does, but its true.

I'm lucky enough to have been riding with the guys in Cascade long enough to know how they handle THEIR cars, I am an observer and learner by nature, and I've been very greatful to be able to ride with the guys I've ridden with (lance, jess, dewey, schultzy, etc)... They've been driving a lot longer than I have and I am thankful to be able to watch how they handle their cars with the cars in various stages of completion. They've also had their cars a LOT longer, and have re-learned how to drive their cars with every modification, and it shows. Its called experience. You just jump in both feet first and try to be the fastest or the best and you have NO idea how to handle what you're putting yourself into because you had little to no prior experience with the cars before then. You had nothing to learn or improve upon, you just up and tried to be the best and it showed. You scared a lot of people doing what you did over time.

I may be completely off my rocker, but I've got enough sense to know that you have to base your experience from a lower standard for a starting point, otherwise, you improve nothing and continue driving like an arrogant kid.

Now, I am lucky enough to have a roommate who has been racing for 15 years of her life on and off, who's parents have been racing since before she was born. I have so many people around me to learn from as far as handling and learning my car, combined with the guys of CC I've spent time with, and I am willing to take the knowledge they can provide and put it to good use. I leave myself to no limits with this nor do I intend to.

I have the car I have now because I want something to learn. Something to grow with. The camaro was NOT something I could learn and grow with. It was a project, One I drove maybe three times in three years, and got tired of it, because it was not helping my position in life at all.

But I gained so much from not doing things the way others have. I have had to re-learn the beretta time and time again in the 3 months I've owned it because I do what is required of me to re-learn my own car in its low powered stock form. Every thing I do to this car from now own I will constantly be bettering myself to improve on an improved car.

I refuse to jump in head first into a beast I have no prior experience with aside.

I believe Dewey will agree with me on this, as will others. Build it up gradually, don't make a beast out of something you cannot control already. John has done things the right way and so has Mike... they did a lot of suspension work, and gave themselves a lot of experience with what it was capable of, then worried about the engine later as time progressed. And they have issued no challenges for things they did not have. They never said "WHEN" ... they say "Lets do it NOW" if they're going to challenge.

This has nothing to do with your thoughts, wishes, plans, ideas...
This has to do with safety of you and others.
Learn what you have
Then improve it.

Squeeks83

john: i have the 3k and i am currently spending it here and there, i just bought and recied the hotchkis rear suspention kit. the rest of the cash i am going to keep for a while after reading aarons post, he is right.

none of you just bought everything at once and went out and learned, you took it in steps,a nd thats what i have to learn how to do, i have the cash but im very impatent.

aaron, you are very lucky to have been able to be around these people longer and be able to experance things with them, i have been around them for a totl of about 72 hours in person. it sucks for me, but you are right, i need to take it easy and go in smaller steps.

but i am going to do waht i had planed with my engine, BUT, to start out just the bottom end, intake and carb, then later a cam, then heads.

and ill just stick with the hotchkis suspension kit for now since i have it, i might as well put it in now so i can get the bird rolling around the drive way atleast.

again i appoligise, you guys are right, i am a arrogant kid and i need people like you all to help me change this. so please try to forgit my past and help me learn what you all know.

davyboy04

Ok people who really cares. Not worth argueing about. Let's just wait and see what happens at the end of the summer!

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I got my 95 grand am pretty fast. Not sure how fast but it was pegged at either 105 or 110... i think 105. It's been a while (sold it). Anyway it pegged for like 2 minutes and still felt like it was pulling faster. Man that little DOHC quad4 was strong.

Haven't gotten to take my bird out to fly yet. Still working on it.

Dewey316

hey davyboy04,

are you from the NW??? just wondering, since you have no location in your profile?

CheezX

Squeeks, do you still have the SFCs? Thats the first thing I would put on if I were trying to beat me

Squeeks83

yep, still got them, they are waiting for me to weld them in the bird, i decided to not put them on the camaro since its going bye bye and i dont wanna waste cash on a new set.

so when can you come on down and weld them on for me, you can have a place to crash and hang out for a while and meet soem people. or after i get the bird running in like a month or so i cna drive like 1.2 way and meet ya and we can weld them in and hang out or get a mini gathering together. hows that sound??

davyboy04

Im from northern Illinois.

CheezX

I'd have to install them here, cause all the tools needed are here. And hey, if you come all the way up here I can hook you up with a nice emissions legal x-pipe. And also get your ride height down to where it should be. And whole crapload of other stuff I'm working on.

rjmcgee

We may have to change our name.:lala:

Squeeks83

well **** it is summer, when could i come on up, it cant be until i get my firebird running and the tranny rebuilt which wont be till the end of summer, but what if i came up there and picked up that X-pipe? your car is just like mine, could you hook me up with your exhaust system that you had on the formula. but with different mufflers? something cheaper? like spintec's

CheezX

I don't know when, I still need that exhaust till I figure out what to do. I definiteley need dual 3" for the 400, I will have to figure out how to get it over the axle. When I do finish that (I have no idea when) you can have the x-pipe I'm using now.

Dewey316

oval tube

CheezX

Yeah, I was thinking about that. If I just took a normal 3" mandrel bend and stuck it between 2 pipes in a vice, would it be the same as the oval tube they sell?

RSFreak

Hey, my uncle owns the Chevron service station in Sherwood. I thinks its called 5 corners Chevron or something. Stop by if you are in Sherwood and need gas!

90RSRocks

That's cool, I worked for at the Sherwood Safeway for a couple weeks right before they opened it to the public, only a block or so from that station (if my memory serves correctly).

Charlie's87

Hey, that's my neck of the woods!

The route you describe is how I get to the U-Pull-It in Tigard, lol.

See that little town of Laurel in the lower left hand side? That road is a blast to drive..... from 1600 ft elevation on Bald Peak to 100 ft elevation, straight shot in a mile. Can catch some serious air in a couple places at 90 mph!

red90bird

so where are these places that have no speed limits? I thought montana had put speed limits in place. I'd like to find a place where I can see what my car can do...once its done that is

RSFreak

Wow, another thread brought back from nearly a year in hibernation!