fattie92

thanks

TheLG4Whore

Cams intake and all that stuff cannot be considered a power adder cause they are internal and somewhat external parts wich are needed to run the engine if it's a four stroke of course.
Power ADDERS, see how they are called adders they are outside variables.
That's like saying cold @ss air is a power adder cause it is more dense therefore it fills the chambers more efficiently and combustion will also be too.
or another sh-t example would be saying that moving to a lower altitude is a power adder.

TheLG4Whore

Oops my bad I'm sorry I completely ****ed up on that last post.
I didn't carefully read what you said cause I flew through it.
Sorry if I came off as a dick head or somethin.

JoelOl75

Since we are on opinions, when I built my motor I file fitted the rings as spec'ed for "street nitrous" use just in case I feel the need to add it. Whether your car runs 16 secs and drops into the high 14's on the bottle or runs high 9's and goes down into low 8s OTB it's justified in both cases.

As for nitrous not being safe for the street, so is a low 11 sec car cammed to hell with a massive torque converter. If you like the speed of this and would like more street-ability, a milder combo on the bottle will acomplish the same seat of the pants thrill and save alot of gas whileputting around town.

Quoting from "The Fast and the Furious" winning is winning....

Second place is being the first loser.

There's only so much oxygen in the air, adding some extra and dropping the inlet temps doesn't sound like cheating to me, otherwise start ripping off cold air intakes and ram-air hoods....

Only gripe I would have is that the bottle needs to be refilled

Riley's35089rs+

Poll,,,,,,,how many people are running 11sec cars around town? I would think not too many. I have no experience with the stuff...but I believe it has its place.....street racing has caused alot of hurt as of lately. The local police have really cracked down around here...its no longer light to light stuff...these people have there own damn grand prix going on, and they are killing people.
We have a responsibility as "fast" car owners.
A Mod is a Mod....use it with respect...and live longer...race at a track....use whatever gets you there first.

robertg

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Many valid points brought up here.

I don't like the idea of someone saying that they are fast because they have a 100 shot. I consider nitrous a mod, but unless you're using it at the track for strip use only, what's the point?

It's not practical for street use, could grenade an engine in traffic, possibly hurting a bystander, or you could mistakenly activate it in traffic, and cause a severe accident.

Also, I'd get pretty pissed about having to fill that bottle after every 4 or 5 uses. Last I heard it was about 40 bucks a fill.

I'd rather see an engine that runs 11's on the motor, than one that has to run nitrous to do the same. It impresses me more to see an n/a motor, although I will give a turbocharged or supercharged car the respect it deserves.

And if a nitrous car beats me at the track, that's fine too. You'll be very unlikely to see it on my car, however.

chrimv

So what you're saying is that there absolutly no problems nitrous causes to pistons or piston rings? If you believe this and are telling people this then you shouldn't be building engines! The facts are, extended use of nitrous errodes the pistons and rings causing you to replace them. Does a female really have to school you? As stated before, the bottle is good on the strip not on the street and if it is used on the street more than likely it is on an unbuilt engine. It is an easy way to get horsepower for a shrot distance. So you need to shut you mouth before stating things that you obviously have no clue about. I also bet you're one of those guys that say you can't get any power out of a 305...LMAO, what a joke!

Intercepter

chrimv, Maybe you need to contact a few companies and ask some questions. No nitrous will not erode pistons or piston rings. Does that mean nitrous will erode your intake, heads, and cylinder walls? What causes problems is a weak spark or a poor fuel delivery system will cause a motor to run lean and THAT’S what causes problems. True cast pistons are weaker than hypereutectic and forged. And if you slap a 200 shot of N2O to them they will not live long. But the same can be said if you use cast pistons in a 500 to 600hp motor. In moderate use (150 being the limit and a good ignition and fuel source) you are not going to have excessive wear. As far as being schooled by a female, I have no problem with learning something from a guy or a girl. I have meet may a women who could run circles around some of the guys at the track. TRUE knowledge is a blessing from no matter where it comes from. As for my motor building skills, bring whatever you have and your checkbook. You’ll be going home broke. This subject has become boring. Goodbye.

BOTTLEDZ28

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ok guys. i use to hate nitrous. i thought it was a cheap way of going fast, but i bought a tpi nitrous kit for $300 because I was curious.i went from 13.2 to 12.4 for $300. i was hooked.
for all you guys that say its cheaping,, tuff shiitt. i like to go fast on a budget and nitrous helps that perfectly. AND YES I USE NITOUS ON THE STREET and love seeing the faces on the losing driver

383LT1intake

i dont see how nos is cheating for starters racing isnt always fair to begin with its all about whos got more cash im running a 383 that runs 12.4 with a lt1 intake on nuts im still running my chip that was programmed for my 350 i had last yr so i think with some tunnikng ill be in the 11's and yes i drive this EVERY day this is my only car now i cant do to much more to motor and keep it my daily driver so what did i choose to do? you got it nos. why not? if i wana run against others running nos or a big block or blower ive got it when i need it ive had my kit for 2 yrs and only put one bottle through it yes ill agree id much rather run on motor but if the other guy has a power adder of any kind or a bigger budget than me hell yeah im gonna use it the run what you brung has been quoted to me to many times. and i dont hide it everyone around knows i have it " small town hard to keep it quit if i wanted to" but ive never tried what really hate r the guys that try to be all secretive wont say what they have etc so i like i said racings not always fair anyway its all about whos got more xcash so why should a guy be stuck in the 15 or 14 or wherever jus cause they dont have the big $$ for heads blower turbo etc the way i see it is power adder is a power adder it all allows u 2 burn more fuel jus in different ways ive got over 5g's in my motor so im not saying this cause i dont have a decent budget thats why im now single lol she hated me being into cars she gave me a choice and u see she lost lol oh well jus thought id put my 0.02 worth in later:lala:

kfoley

I've never used it and never will. Besides it's more impressive if you do it N/A.

AJ_92RS

WHAT A HATEFUL, NASTY, MEAN THING TO SAY!!!!!

How can you say something like that to anyone? Regardless of any comments that have been made on this thread?

And as far as those saying "What if you are using it on the street and it blows the engine and hurts and innocent passer-by?", well......
WHAT THE F*CK ARE YOU DOING RACING ON THE STREETS ANYWAY?!?!?!?! For the exact same reasons that you're using to justify not using nitrous on the streets, you shoud not even race on the street. Ever heard of DRAGSTRIPS?!?!?!?

And to set the facts straight on bottle heaters, if that would EVER happen, then they wouldn't allow them to be used at a dragstrip. The worse that could happen is you'd wake up to a cool bottle, and a dead battery.

Some of you need to show more respect to others on this board. We may not share the same opinions on a certain subject, but there's one thing I think we can all agree on..... HORSEPOWER!!!!

That's why you'll NEVER see me knocking "RICERS" as you so label them. If I get beat by a 1999 Honda Civic, I go away mad because he beat me, not because he's got a different type of car that some don't think is a 'real' car. Then the next thing I do is find out WTF he/she did to get that car to do that.

Live an learn I guess,
AJ

SpeedCat86

I'm not anti-Nitrous. What i am against, is the guys who show up at the hangouts with these cars: "....Yeah, I got the cold air tube, K&N, Short-shift Kit, and a 150-shot....."

My usual crowd is all FourthGens. Most of the V8 guys are LS1s and most of them are modded, so I won't even think about keeping up. Even with the v6's, they're rated at 220 HP, compared to my LB9's 190 horses. I don't plan on doing much to my car besides the exhaust, ported plenum and new gears. (Although, I'm sticking some 1.6 rockers in to make up for my swizzle-stick cam) I'm an Autocrosser, so I want torque for launching out of those corners.

I figure, when I go to the drags with my blown, intercooled friends, I may strap on a 50-75 extra horsies, just to keep it respectable.


Of course, then there's the guy who showed up with a '70 Challenger 440 with a two stage plate / direct port system. No word yet on how fast that car is. You'd have to be dumb to mess with a 440 Challenger anyway, but that one would kill you.

RedFirebird

The thing i don't like about nitrous is the fact that it doesn't take long before the bottle needs to be filled again, which is why i'm not a big fan of these motors that are built to run entirely around nitrous. I guess if your car is just a track car thats okay but whats the fun of that? Now, as a "just in case" measure, nitrous can't be beat. I might throw a little 100 shot on my 377 after i drop it in my corvette if there's ever an instance where i'm in doubt.

chrimv

Intercepter- I have contacted many companies about the bottle and they have all said the same thing, extended use errodes pistons. I'm not stupid so quit picking on what I have said because there are a few people that have said the almost identical same thing! I built my own engine, thank you very much. I have a 305 that is pushing out 285 horses without being bored and without Nitrous. I did the set-up on it. I checked into putting a nitrous system on it and from what many people have told me about it and after checking the companies, as I did with the cam , carb, and intake I decided that the repair costs may out weigh the cost of the bottle. You need to take your egotistical self back a bit. He asked for an opinion and that's what I gave if you don't like it don't look at it. I don't think nitrous is cheating and don't really care if you have it or not, in fact I can care less about what you think or what you say. I also see that I'm the only obvious female that has posted on the bored, hmmmm you haven't decided to attack the guys, why is that? For the bring your wallet, I wouldn't let you look at my dogs a**! I DO MY OWN WORK! I don't need a man to do it for me!

Polecat

If NOS is installed right, it can last a long time. For instance, a 100HP shot can be added to a stock motor. 75-100hp shots are made for stock Mustangs, and Ricers. So when you get into the 150-400HP shot range, yea, you better have your system installed correctly.
But, people that put 300 shot at the track, don't care about long ring life. They pull their motors every couple runs. So we aren't talking apples to apples.
For street/race applucations, 75-150 shot is fine.
For example, I have a friend that has a Camaro ('67) with a 468BB. Motor will run 11.14's. On 180 shot runs 9.90's...and he has a 10" back wheel with Hoosier tires, and can drive one hour to another city to race, and drive it home.
Respectable, you bet! Anytime you see a street car into the 9's on a 10" wheel....has my respect.

Install the system wrong...BOOM!

So we really need to compare apples to apples when saying 'how long' a system will work......

Polecat

75-100hp shot will last along time on a stock motor...

If installed correctly, it will work fine. The mis-truths are the ones that say it's easy to install, or will easily blow up motors....but you can't slam someone for having another 'power adder'....

Patrick007

I'm done arguing about the nos thing... i just know i'll never be using it. I just think its more fun to always have the power under the hood instead of only having power after you press a little button. BTW what am I scared of? Or was this just another childish comment. Oh and its great that you know how well i can tune a motor... just from the two sentences i said. Smart guy you are indeed (can u smell the sarcasm?)

Patrick DeGrosse Jr.
Mechanical Engineer @ Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Member of the Rensselaer SAE Formula Racing Team
NOS Coward n Poor Motor Tuner.... ooo yea baby

shout out to Intercepter!! (now u know what sarcasm smells like)

ATOMonkey

My turn. Someone once told me, "Any monkey can bolt on nitrous." I thought, hey I am the Moneky. But there is also truth in just bolting on an ATI in an afternoon. I do respect a person more who has put time and thought into his engine. Junior who just bought a new WS6 and the first thing he does is put a plate on and then brag about being fast pisses me off. Anyone who says nitrous is just as safe as anything else is lying lying lying lying. How many times have you gone to the track and seen a nitrous engine backfire, blow up, burn a piston, etc. I'd say 50% of all cars I've ever seen on juice have malfunctioned at one time or another. Nitrous is also corrosive. I have never heard or seen or been proved otherwise. On the other hand I've seen lots of forced induction cars run street and strip all day long with no problems week after week. I've seen turbo cars with over 200,000 miles running 13s knocking down almost 30 mpg. These cars see a lot of full throttle driving too. Lets see a juiced engine last that long when you spray every time you go full throttle. Now that would be a true comparison. If you're willing to take the risk and don't want to spend a lot then $500 for a second or more in the quarter or edging out someone in a street race is well worth it. Myself, I would rather be blown than bottle fed.

Polecat

In the world of High performance, you take chances anytime you open up a stock motor. Kinda like the old saying, 'wanna play, your gonna pay"...but if installed correctly, and not trying to go overboard, which most do, NOS is a safe power adder.
Sure, you can have more constant power like forced induction, turbo, etc. But most don't have ther money for that exspense, hence the reason they opt for NOS...fast, cheap and there, 'when you want it'.
Not saying it "IS" the only adder, just shouldn't be misconstrued into something it's not.

TheLG4Whore

It's kind of annoying when so many people don't accept the fact that nitrous is an oxidizer and aluminum is the first victim in the engine when nitrous is applied.
I want nitrous on my briggs and stratton.
That'll be about what 32 HP at 15,000 RPMs and 12 ft/lbs at
6,000 RPM's
Sounds like a future ***** project, I'll be doin honda hunting anytime now.

92BlAcK_RSLO3

Ok the only reason I would like to put a NOS sistem in my car is to have a higher top speed like in a very long straight on a highway and being pissed of by some mama´s boys in a porsche or ferrari. But for the kind of driving I do aroun here (I go to no drag race, I dont race punks in ricers, etc) I would see no reason to put that thing on my motor, I would preffer to invest that money elsewhere, beign suspenssion, brakes, motor, accesories, interior, anything first. That would be my last option.

fattie92

looks like this thread died.....well thank you to everyone who posted here with there opinions on it. i know i learned alot more about nitrous then i did before. thanks guys!

brodyscamaro

hang out here and you will learn more

fattie92

thanks for the link

Ward

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I dont like nitrous because its not as practical as a turbo or supercharger, or just building up a motor. I would get very tired of having to get my bottle refilled. I would rather be able to bolt something on and not have to mess with it again.

chrimv

Only thing is that you da have to remember that nitrous is a chemical compound that's made by man and not a natural element. It may be safe for long periods of time when installed correctly but there are risks involved with its use.

Nitrous= Nitrogen broken down into a gas in which oxygen and AMMONIA are added. Uses include fertilizer, nitric acid, urea, hydrazine, & amines.

I'm not sitting here not knowing at least the compound and what it made with. Unless nitrous has changed it's compounds, ammonia remains a corrosive agent to metals. A little here and there won't do damage, it's long term outcome!

Not being a smart *** or anything, but has anyone had nitrous in their car for more than 5 years?

MX265

Nitrous is great for long naps at the Dr's. office but has no place in my car.

TomP

Someone should've told Pat Musi & Tony Christian and Mike Moran and etc about the "bottles are for babies" line. Then again, Moran's got a quad turbo car now, so he must really be a loser, eh?

I think I share the exact same viewpoint as Nate2 (and a few others) above. If you're modded up and put nitrous on, that's great. But if you've got 0 mods, a K&N, and a nitrous kit, then that's wrong- the money should be spent on the real mods (intake, exhaust, trans, rear, suspension, etc), and nitrous should be added near the end.

Fer example, Take me! I've got the 2.8 MPFI V6, and am about to run out of bolt-on motor mods. Not much is made for my motor, I've gotta hunt for things. You v8 guys can buy heads, intake manifolds, headers (none are made anymore for my motor/car combination, screw heddman for stopping production!), we have no emissions certified cams, etc. I've got 237,000 miles on it, and will rebuild it, and will put a cam in, do some http://www.sa-motorsports.com/diyport.htm porting, and any other little tricks (like a homemade crank scraper for an extra 0.5 HP)- but then, that's it! I'll have no more bolt-in mods- so that makes a nitrous system the perfect choice.

I refuse to spend $3000 on a supercharger or turbocharger for my motor. For $3k, I could put a V8 in, and it would hold up much longer than a blown or boosted 2.8, and probably put out more power, too! A $600 NOS dry system makes sense for me, because when I do buy a V8 car and build it up, I'll be able to swap the system over with minor changes. But would I buy a car, just put nitrous on it, and brag like a little bitch? No way.

Those "bottles are for babies" slogans are a prime example of ignorance... just like saying "imports are slow". For that matter, we could classify superchargers and turbochargers as cheating, too! All Nitrous does is add the extra oxygen atom, just like an SC or turbo forces more oxygen into the cylinders. The Nitrous just carries the oxygen, and adds a cooling effect. N20 doesn't burn, it's not like a fuel additive, or octane booster.

And for the "all motor" guys- imagine how fast your all-motor car would be if you added Nitrous? Wow!

Bobbyz

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I believe in nitrous only if both cars racing agree to it in a heads up race. not the race where im about 3 car lengths ahead of someone and all of a sudden swooosh goes by me on spraying. that only means the car can't and could not beat me without juice so i even though i lost i would consider it a win.

i beleive in 100% muscle but i might get juice just in case i am racing some ***** and i am a head of him like mentioned above and he hits the juice i want the option of saying o yeah hold on press a little button and i'll be back in front lol. now if it was the other way around and someone is beating me with out juice and i have juice i will not hit the button cause i do'nt see the point.

Polecat

when racing, wouldn't all bolt on mods count? I would check the car over before racing anyone on the street....because you never know. But racing for money, you better know your competition first..........because spray could make the win for the money.

Bobbyz

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What your saying is tru.

when racing for money on the street you better beleive im gonna tech that car over worse the the tech inspction at the track lol.

i've seen serious street races here in new york where two cars 68 camaro and 72 nova were racing for 5 g's. these were all out race cars. they agreed not to use nitrous, so they guy in the nova told the other guy in the camaro to disconnect his nitrous so he knows he's not using it. sure enuff the nova had a second setup in the car and sprayed. i **** you not when the race was over the camaro guys beat the hell out of the nova guys and burned his car right on the side of the parkway seeing nitrous explode was very very interesting.

fattie92

^^^^^^^that sounds like it was a very very fun night!

brodyscamaro

IMO, that is dead wrong. thats the point of it, to win. if you lose, no matter what, YOU LOST

brodyscamaro

IMO, that is dead wrong. thats the point of it, to win. if you lose, no matter what, YOU LOST

Bobbyz

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If you think it is dead wrong then that's cool. my point is if you need juice to beat me then your car is slow! because my car is not that fast.

brodyscamaro

naw, its just that i dont understand how people can say that they clearly lost a race, but since the other guy/gal sprayed they really won in their minds

Mark W. Winning

NOS is like the late Dale Earnhardt, you either loved him or hated him, there was no in between.

NOS is hard on parts because it hits all at once. No spool time, no lag, just one big hit. The bigger the kit the bigger the hit. No wonder cranks, trannies and rears check out.

I feel NOS is just another power adder. To me its a blower or a turbo you can turn on and off. They only thing about it is that it is fairly easy to hide. That is where the "cheating" tag comes from. If it is out in the open from the start, I am game, just don't pretend you are not using it if you are.

Also, like anything else, NOS changes with bottle temp, bottle pressure, fuel pressure and outside temperature. Not exactly what you want for consistancy. The big boys can get that consistancy with fancy computers and such that cost more than our cars!

ATOMonkey

See, the juice is evil! It makes people crazy from sniffing it too long. It's the dark side. Like everyone says it's the last ditch effort to be competitive.

I think Nitrous got the cheating tag, because in a lot of sanctioned events worth $$$ people will do the best they can to hide it and then spray to win when no one else is.

I agree that if you say your spraying and you've built the engine for spray, then it's just another adder. Just not my cup of tea.

TomP

Same here- but that would also go for a supercharger'd or a turbo'd car as well! And if we're talking the "real" races, where anything goes, you'd couldn't make fun of a nitrous car and take a supercharged car seriously. Like Mark said, both are power adders, simple as that. Why not "blowers are for babies", then? It's probably because most people think that the nitrous burns, like pouring gasoline onto a wood fire. Nitrous is more like fanning a wood fire with a piece of cardboard.

Haha, it's nitrous, not nitromethane!

Jer82Z28

Where did you hear that nitrous oxide has ammonia!????
LOL

Nytrous+ (the commercial grade N20 we use in our cars) is 99.9%made up of 2 parts nitrogen to 1 part oxygen and 0.01% of sulfur dioxide. sulfur dioxide is added to discourage substance abuse.
no, it doesnt erode steel or aluminum either.

The added power when using nitrous oxide still comes from gasoline.
the ONLY thing nitrous does is add more oxygen to your combustion chamber. It does it two ways, mechanically (lowers intake charge allowing denser charge of oxygen) and chemically(inert gas with high oxygen content, the oxygen is release when the gas reaches 575*F) with more oxygen, comes the need for more fuel for it to burn efficiently. this creates more heat and a stronger downward force on the piston, which means more power but also more stress on engine components. The power still comes from your motor, nitrous will release only as much power as your motor will handle. If that power level exceeded the strength of the engine's components, damage will occur.

added wear to you engine will only occur when you are exceeding the power limites of your engine components.


It is my opinion, that those who are strong against the use of nitrous, have very little knowledge about them.
Whats the point of adding nitrous?? oh I don't know... for the FUN of it maybe?
whats the point of adding a camshaft? honestly.. whats the point of alot of things we do to our cars?

brodyscamaro

DSaylor

"Run whatcha brung"

If you want everything to be 100% fair, go to nascar and race. If thats too expensive, hook up with the dodge neon racing series.

If an import owner puts nitrous on his stock car and beats me, good for him,
If I put 8 cylinders in my car and beat him, good for me.

Either way we have a winner and a loser.

Thats the main reason i quit racing on the streets, someone always had an excuse.

BTW, the time in my sig was without cracking open my bottle.

Mark W. Winning

Look at the bright side of NOS. Can you imagine how much longer the Fast and the Furious would have been without it! LOL

fattie92

lol, good one

chrimv

I think you have missed something. The base component of Nitrous oxide is ammonium nitrate (ammonia) in which some of it is burned out but some remains. Thus the reason dentisits are hardly using it anymore because sudden asphixiation and brain damage occurs due to the trace elements of the amonia. No chemical compound is 100% safe. You also have the percentages way off! Nitrogen= 63.65% and O=36.35% where as laughing gas is 50% of both
http://www.slider.com/enc/38000/nitrous_oxide.htm
http://www.webelements.com/webelemen...1-10024972.htm

Not being rude or anything, but I do know what it is, what the compounds are, and how it's made. I'm not arguing the point any farther, if you like N2O and use it great, but you will never see it on my car.

ede

i think it's time to let guido have this thread

Jer82Z28

by the time nitrous oxide and water is produced, and nitrous oxide is purified, any trace elements of the genisis element so so minute. They have to add sulfur in order create a displeasant smell after alll
(ammonia doesn't smell very good either, you would think nitrous oxide would naturally smell bad if there was a considerable amount of residual ammonia..)

and "laughing gas" is the scientific term for...?

I don't care if you like the stuff or not, I'm trying to clear up some missinformation.

B4Ctom1

I would first like to say that I have had many different types of nitrous systems on many different types of cars. I currently own a 91 Z28 and a 92 B4C 1LE. The 91 has a blower and the 92 will eventually. Niether is currently drivable (one is all apart and the other has the rod knock I purchased it with). My choice to run a blower has caused me to be without a personally owned running race car for going on two years now. I like the way that people compare nitrous to steroids. Steroids are not allowed in the Olympics but then again the six million dollar man wouldn't be either. I really liked to beat expensive cars with my little 355 rocket. It was extremely consistent as well running 12.00 with a 0 as often as it ran 12.01 (keeping bottle pressure consistent). I could hand you three dish top TRW's from customer 350's and dare you to tell me which burned out on a turbo, which burned out on blower, and which burned out on nitrous. It doesn’t really matter because the three power adders when used can be equally destructive. Too much, too lean or too much timing will have the same effect on any power adder. I only have broken one car on nitrous it was a 415 (3.835” x 4.155” x 5.7”) with hypereutectic pistons. It was built incompetently. Postmortem showed it with only about .009” to .018” ring end clearance (gap) and the rings butted. Now after many years I am tired of switching bottles between runs to maintain consistency (being older and lazier I suppose) I am trading my money for my comfort. But belt slip problems ruin the consistent blower performers I have seen (or belt breakage for cog cars). Turbo cars seem to do well but when faced with too short of a start staging to build boost, they lose at street races or at the track with the tree on auto start. In conclusion I must add when used sparingly with a few other common careful guidelines, nitrous can be a good street or track power adder. I did a I did a cost analysis based on a $3000 supercharger kit, if you subtract the $559 kit cost, it leaves you $2441, when I filled my bottle there was usually about 3 lbs left in it each time (ineffective without a heater except on hot days), refills at 7lbs at about $3.50 per lb = 100 bottle refills. That’s approx a bottle per weekend for two years (including wintertime and rainy days, yeah right) probably longer. As you well know EFI nitrous kits are closer to the mid $400- range not the mid $500- range. Even if I owned a car build like a NHRA prostocker going 6’s I would still wonder how it would run on a shot of juice (5 second doorslammer?) I will probably install the 5151 I have laying around on the 91 when it is reborn with its blown 412 in place. I have a sickness, and the cure is speed, I have no qualms as to where the power comes from. That is for old grandpas and has been racers to bitch about.

Pony Killer

I'm Pro anything fast.. Seen fast imports, fast domestic, with every concievable combination of turbo/super/nitrous you name it... it's come through our atco, or Englishtown.

What A lot of people see as faults of the Nitrous is for the most part lack of forethought fromthe owner/builder, or sloppy assembly.

Same deal with the fellas' that ruin headgaskets with blower's and Turbo's. If the motor's will hold X amount of cylinder pressure, as soon as you start exeeding that.. your tempting fate. I've seen it at least a hundred times... if it runs well with 8lbs of boost.. the next week it's running on ten... and so on and so forth until the head gasket or a piston lets go.

Realistic Goals,and assesments are necessary for any highperformanc motor, with power adders they are much more critical becaus the ragged edge is a razor blade. If you know your pushing your luck don't blame it on the power adder when you break something.

I've been poking around on this board recently because I've finally got my Z28 running, and a dual stage nitrous shot has been a part of the plan since i pulled it off the road two years ago.
After the rear goes, i'll be putting a 12 bolt in it, and then ad the nitrous.
A consistent 12.0 car off the bottle is often enough to win some of the local quick 8-16 runs on the weekend with a nitrous added.

Bottom line I like all power adders if well concieved, and the risks are weighed out. ... and most of all if the car's fast.