james_85Z28

So it was only Mike, Martha, Raul, Vin$ent, and myself at the drags all day with Jerry stopping by during the last trip down the strip. Raul and myself made the first passes in our cars to make sure everything was sound. I tracked tested my linelock and heated up the tires well enough for the rest of the day. After my first conservative pass I returned with zero sqawks and handed the keys over to my cheif test pilot, who is as consistant as John Force himself, Mr. Mike P. While Mike handled the driving responsibilities I concentrated on the tuning issues. This allowed us to each concentrate on our duties and not feel rushed and compromise our time in the chaos. By the end of the day and several chips later we had backed up my theories on my PE problem and also knocked over a half second off the timeslip while having to shift below what we would have wanted to.

The turnout was less than 150 cars until after dinner which allowed a pass every 45 minutes or so. That is about ideal to make changes to the vehicles without being rushed or waiting around too much. The program was to make a chip change and then follow that up with two runs. Because Mike was so consistant we were able to prove the changes were indeed the correct one because the car always got faster with each chip change and the two runs with the same chip were always within a few hundredths of eachother. Working with that type of consistancy took most of the guesswork out of the results.

My car was in full commute configuration. I removed nothing from the car: started with a half-tank, had the spare tire, jack, mini-air-compressor, extra parts, jumper cables, front swaybar in/on the vehicle and used 91 octane fuel. The chip was my same commuter chip with just the PE fuel adjusted. Pointless to mess with the spark because with the 91-octane fuel during the shifts it would pull 2 * and almost give it all back before before it would shift again.

I won't post too much now. I'll let Mike, Vincent, and Raul add to this post if they want.

Starting ET: 13.615@104.11 (8.859@82.62) - 2.093 60'
Ending ET: 13.073@104.72 (8.36@83.34) - 1.815 60'

Highs:
60': 1.815
1/8 MPH: 87.16 (fell out of PE mode in run)
1/4 MPH: 105.09 (fell out of PE mode in run)
1/4 ET: 13.073

Throughout the day we had to be carefull on the shift RPM because I don't have enough injector for the higher RPMs and the ECM would go into a fault mode. This problem will be addressed in the next few weeks. The shift points used weren't necessarily optimal but allowed us to push the car the entire track without a problem.

Grey Goose

Well said James, it felt great to get behind the wheel of a joystick car. Oh and for those of you that can’t believe it, yes I’m just as lethal in a straight line as I am in the curves. The next time we go to the track, WE WILL be deep in the 12’s. So those of you looking to defend any records, bring you’re "A" game. Team Bunny will be on deck and dialed in.

Kevin91Z

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Hoooyah!! Good job James and Mike! So any ideas why its falling out of PE mode? And when do the 30lbs injectors go in?

james_85Z28

Driving hard and shifting at 5500 PM resulted in a complete run. Shifting at 6000 RPM resulted in falling out of PE mode. Mike and I varied the shifting points and technique from (my runs at C-Bad) and his runs yesterday to validate the high RPM shifting was causing the problems. Since the duty cycle is too high I believe it is the injector load that causes the ECM problems. I believe the injector driver has problems with the high duty cycle (94%+) at consective high shift points and causes the ECM to go into a fault mode. I call it a fault mode because the O2s drop like a rock, the BLM go sky high, the TPS is at WOT, the EGR and CCP activate yet no spark retard, which there should be under the high load/no fuel condition.

I'll put the bigger injectors in within the next couple weeks as I have to replace my intake gaskets anyways do to an oil leak in the back. The 30 lb injectors should get me to the low/mid 70% duty cycle like I was with the LTR setup.

BrandenCali

I don't understand this much but seems like 30lb injectors going to fix this PE mode with those type of problems that are happening. Seems Possible..

Dyno Don

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Fantastic...at least your on the right track.
Damn...who said Mickey (alias Big Daddy) couldn't handle a joystick! Good job guys glad to hear you're close (of course Vince won't Ha Ha!)

james_85Z28

Well Vincent did some tweaking and driving to take Raul's car from a 14.883@94.73 to a 14.001@101.05 with a 2.268 60'. Raul's car had no tricks done to it either.

Grey Goose

Yeah it was like old times aye Vince. He even tried playing with me on the line. Vince is one hell of a driver, he can really do some damage behind the wheel. But you’ll never beat me out of the hole!

I forgot to mention, I never used the line lock.

james_85Z28

you also won every race that day....

VincentZ28

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James and Mike forgot to mention that I also help them with my knowledge of helping get those e.t's to where are now. Remember James I told you to lean your chips and told mike to shift the car at 5800rpm and that had gotten the car to run 13.12@105mph. And the same thing was done to Raul car, turned the fuel pressure down from 50lbs to 42lbs and of course my driving skills from a 14.8@94mph to 14.00@101.25mph. Who else out there with stick cars need real drivers behind the wheel of their cars? Kevin, what about you? We need some fast cars to beat up on the fords. Some of you have fast stick cars but you're not driving them the way they should be driven.

james_85Z28

That's right, it was all you vincent

you are stating what was obvious to Mike and I. I knew I was running rich and that is why I started removing PE fuel- also to lessen the injector load as a secondary affect. How much, how soon and where was the first issue left for debate. I had discussed running too rich previously with mike. As for adjusting the shift points we were doing that all day to validate the high RPM PE issue- how much should we push the RPM but still try and get a full run (didn't want to waste runs) and get a quicker ET but still experiment the PE problem was the second issue for debate. We weren't going for the quickest ET, just making sure the changes were making us faster.


hmm, with all your knowledge why was my car gaining every run while Rauls got slower as the air got cooler

VincentZ28

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His car was running on fuems. It started to stumble on the take off on the last pass and too much tire spin.

Kevin91Z

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Some of us have other things to worry about right now... Dont worry, I'll be back out there soon. Just like Mike says, as soon as you become a threat, I'll throw some coin at my car.

james_85Z28

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89 TA

You also have to remember my front brakes were dragging, locking at times. In my opinion Vince did a great job.:hail:

james_85Z28

I was just ribbin' him. Vincent did a good job

BrandenCali

What is Raul running? A stocker?

VincentZ28

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For everyone of us, we all are doing a good job but we all can use some help to do a better job.

12secSS

Aww, you guys all sucked major monkey *****. Mike, consistent ... at sucking. I think he was more busy playing with his 'stick' then your 'stick' James. Oh wait, we are talking about racing at CA-speedway huh?

Hey, are you guys planning on going out again this weekend or the next? I can provide you with an even more consistent driver ... ME! Actually, James might be a good bit... uh, run for me when I re-install my LTs in a month. :sillylol:

Oh and to the blue bunny (not James ) ...

james_85Z28

that was just a test and tune session darling After the injector swap I'll need another test and tune. Then I'll put the game face on and take a few licks off the "Candy Cane"

Nothing next weekend, perhaps the weekend after that. I'll be pretty busy in the next couple weeks anyways.

VincentZ28

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I'll put my money on the blue bunny before I put my money on a 4gen SS. Bring it on and get whip. After I get through tuning Raul's car, It's going to whip your *** also. All rise to the 3rd gens!

VincentZ28

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I love to whip up on LS1's. How about you James, Don, Kevin, Raul, Mike, Nigel, and Dwayne?

89 TA

YEP! 383 Baby! but we had a couple of things slowing us down. My front brakes are dragging and at times locking up. I'm still running 3.08 gears out back with a stock clutch (kept slipping). And I have no relocation brackets, and a stock intake. So I'm making all kind of torque
and it made it impossible to make it hook. And Vince can tell you that.
Ohh, and I forgot to mention I hadn't driven the car in about six month's, and didn't notice till' Vince pointed out at the track that I had a ticking noise coming from under the hood. (loose rocker arms)

BrandenCali

Oh I see 383 eh.. I was wondering b/c those times are a good running stock 350 with a mod or 2.. But dragging brakes that sure will slow you down..

89 TA

It didn't matter though we were still faster than most mudstains there (except the ones with s/c). Seemed like everytime we heard a supercharger, it had to be a mudstain.

12secSS

:sillylol: :sillylol: :sillylol: Still trying to beat up on a 'stock' LS1 SS with your highly mod'ed 3rd gen. How much have you invested in your 3rd gen anyway, way more than I have spent on my SS (including the car and mods I bet).

Anyway, James if you want the top spot of the fastest N/A 3rd gen, Mikey won't be able to do it ... you need a pro ... and she is very willing to STFU of the would-be's next Saturday (not this one coming up). That 13.07 pass could have been a low 12.8 at possibly mid-106s. Weight reduction baby, weight reduction! I'll even bring out my 'stock' SS (only has three mods) to run against heavily mod'ed 3rd gen jolopies. :sillylol:

Headers will be going on the first week of September!

james_85Z28

Getting the record isn't a problem. Another run or two and the Blue Bunnny would have taken it at Fontucky, or I could go to C-Bad and do it that much more there. Hell if I removed some of the crap in my car (gave Raul an extra B&M shifter that was in my console most of the day ...you should see what I have in the driver side trunk) and put some gas in that would allow me to run some decent timing I could make serious gains right there. But right now I think Mike can grab the record with 91-octane fuel and no weight reduction as-is, but if he wants to drop a few laxitives the night before and take one for the team I'll support him on that too . Then if the heat is on I'll at least put some decent gas in, put the timing up where I think it should be, install the airbag, and maybe remove the front swaybar. But why go through that hassle when I can just remove the old fast-food bags from the back seat, top her off at ARCO and put them away as-is?

We had a better pass than the 13.07 with the eighth MPH at 87 instead of 83, but the car fell out of PE mode in 4th and we ended up at 13.2@105.5+. If the headwind had died down we might have got a 12 on the 13.07 run. The 13.07 wasn't the best run but had the best 60' which is why the ET was lower. We were running 104+ since the first run by moi

I would like to maybe borrow your front skinnies to see how much they help. Maybe they would be a good investment.

Are you sure jenn can hande my car? She wasn't to fond of the clutch and couldn't believe I drove it everyday. Once you get the headers on- maybe she can drive my car and you can drive the SS and we can see who crosses the line first

We can go to the track in a couple weeks. C-Bad or Fontucky? I just need to fix an annoying oil leak, install the injectors and then we can shift where the car likes it and then finish off the "Candy Cane"

The L's have been quiet lately......I wonder what they have in store?

Grey Goose

:nono:
Georgie, I would love to test your theory but I’ll just come right out and say it, JENNIFER CAN'T BEAT BE! Maybe in looks, but never at the track (any track). I think you and Jenn have just stepped to the front of the line. With my average light being a .507-.511 and my soon to be 1.7 60’s you will truly understand the meaning humility. I’ll paint a target on the back window so she knows which way to go on the track and be able to identify her assailant. The closest she will get to me is in the staging lanes, the next twelve seconds is strictly for educational purposes only. You both have heads up when ever you want it.

12secSS

blah blah blah ... Whatever.

Love, Jenn

Grey Goose

Careful sweetheart, grown ups are speaking in here. You name the time and place so daddy can show you how its done.

BrandenCali

Wow this is growing to become like Brutal.. Camaro's Vs Camaro's what will the out come be.. Hmm

12secSS

X, you and I can go heads up for RT and 60' if you'd like (I've been known to cut .501 lights and my best 60' to date has been a 1.723. :sillylol: ). That target will be where your new brown eye will be. Time and place ... 8/9: Fontana? Oh and I seem to recall a sexy blonde in a So Sexy black car at a chubby in a red brick.

'Huckleberry', Damn you! She said ... to that. She would love a race like that with me. Oh the shame of it all, to be spanked by my lady ... oh wait ... :rockon:

Hey, do you have ET Streets? Otherwise we can lend you ours (along with the skinnies) to cut better lights.



Oh, and to the on-lookers thinking this has become a flame-fest ... fear not, it is just friendly rivalry amongst friends.

JERRYWHO

Can I jump in on the RT and 60 ft action. Fontana on 8/9 will work for me.

Jerry

james_85Z28

The Blue Bunny wears ET streets at the track.

12secSS

No problem Jerry. Just so long as it is a grudge type race.

james_85Z28

I just want her to feel how a real car moves down the track and not some plastic-mobile

12secSS

Oh, are you renting out the Frank Hawley's Super Gas Firebird that runs 7.4xs @ mid-160s at Pomona, the same one she trained on? :lala: :lala: :lala: :hail: :hail:




:sillylol:

VincentZ28

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I see everyone is going to take a shot at George's LS1. Beating up on those is no problem. I don't give a damn who drives that car, it's still going to get it's *** whipped by at lease 4 third gens. They are comin' strong! So you and your girl get on your knees and..........................................after the race is over.

12secSS

Yup Vincent, you better have your jolopy ready by next weekend, cause this is the slowest the SS will be. In the next few months it will be running back where it was ... mid-low 12s. And unless you have a cage, you won't be able to beat it. 4 thirdgens that can beat on the SS? Besides Dwayne's, Jerry's and Jeff's, I haven't seen the timeslips to prove any threat or otherwise (less huckleberry's). :sillylol:

Horsepower is great ... if you can put it to the ground! That is the difference between a driver and a good driver. :sillylol:

Shut up Don!



Oh, and carefull with any comments about my lady. I don't take kindly to that. :nono:

89 TA

You also need to have the suspension set up right.

james_85Z28

I'm not knocking that car, I'm just saying I bet it's been a while since she's driven a real car


How much ET/MPH were the front skinnies worth?

12secSS

I really don't know, but I am guessing maybe .1/.5, guess we'll find out.

12secSS

Raul, all you need is tires and a good driver.

james_85Z28

Then you may need to put those on the SS when you race against the blue bunny :sillylol: :lala:

Grey Goose

It’s really quite simple, putting power to the ground happens to be my specialty. What anyone’s done, used to drive, or accomplished at any given time is of absolutely no concern to me whatsoever. What you do on the day we line up is what’s going to count, and nothing else. All things equal, and it comes down to driving. I will out drive you. Yes it’s that simple. Jennifer is an outstanding driver, however you (both of you) are simply outclassed and will be out driven.

VincentZ28

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I'm not trying to talk about your woman. I'm simply saying who so ever driving your car is going to get beaten up on. Of course we had to modify our cars to keep up with 4th gen LS1 cars but once cars are modified, it's a whole new ball game. It's like this, 4 gen drivers look at the 3rd gen drivers (get that slow car away from us) and have a big chip on their shoulder and need to be brought back to reality because 3rd gen started this TPI sh*t and this is the thanks we get. We 3rd gen driver's just want to have fun, and talking mess is part of it.

Dyno Don

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Speaking of cheap talk, that all that 's been coming from your camp lately. All this talk about time slips and no real article. I have joined the fray in the form of assistance to all 3rd Gen jalopies in need, so the plastic cr*p goes down hard "again" and you know what the silver Fox can do
So bring it on "rookie" and get your lesson with your "Pro" driver Ha Ha!

Kevin91Z

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George, I'm surprised at you. You've changed and become one of those 4th genners who look down their nose at older cars and think only the LS1 is the real engine. What happened?

Dyno Don

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Hey....read between the lines. He is saying I miss my 3rd gen real bad so come and spank my a$$ real bad because I need it!

BrandenCali

Well, he does not have a 3rd gen no more didn't have the space for it. So he has his only option of a 4th gen.. I feel like he is saying are 3rd gens are junk and we should not even invest money into them.. Then there is all this talk about drivers.. Who gives.. A good driver is Nice but fastest car wins..