Blue1989RS

That can't apply to all cars. My RS came with 15x7's and I put the 16x8 GTA crosslaces on and it doesn't rub at all, even being 4" lower than stock. Do you have part number proof of this? It would be great if I had a limited gear box cause then I could get a new box for more angle since I drift my car as well.

soultron

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I think that's only for the early pre 85 cars, but I've heard the same info.

Blue1989RS

Do you have a picture of the nissan modified steering arm?

McDeath

back from the dead again. i just put a jeep grand cherokee box it mine, drilled out the stops on the a arms. drifted it at the KMS event in Charlette NC on saterday. way better. i will pull the box again to kill the internal stops, but i need to make longer A Arms first. i also spent a good 2 plus hours in advance auto checking every idler arm and pitman arm they had looking for something longer that would bolt up. no luck. did not have and jeep GC parts though so i will crawl under one in the parking lot and check that out later. i am not worried about the shock mount and negative camber either. i destroyed the outsides of my front tires on saterday because i didnt have enough neg camber (maxed) also spohn sells camber bolts with 3* a pare. run two pair, and strut mounts with extra camber adjustment, we should be good and then some. cut and welded spindles are normal in drifting, why are we more worried about idler and pitman arms? notching the frame should not be that big of a deal either. FD rules say the cage cannot go though the firewall, but you can run it to the firewall, put a plate on both sides and bolt the plates together making a firewall sandwich. run a little more tubing to reinforce the notched portions.
look at dia yoshihara's car http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_artic...la-d-ride.aspx

Luv2Drift

46* more to come soon.

Luv2Drift

here are some that i do for the S13.



this is what they look like stock. not my pic just one i found on google.



and this is what i get with my S13





that's 62* of lock.

soultron

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Not bad... but will you be sharing tips?

Luv2Drift

yes i will share what all is involved with what i am doing. i can also do the parts for who ever is interested. this is the first camaro i have done. but i have bean doing S13's, S14's, And FC RX7's for quite a while now.

so far with this camaro i have extended the LCA's 2" and shortened the knuckles considerably. i will be shortening them more soon. i think i can get more out of it. there is no need to do anything with the steering gear box to gain more angle if you do the knuckles and the LCA's correctly. but one big upgrade to the steering would be to do a rack and pinion conversion. i have a 4th gen steering rack that i was planing on putting on my 2nd gen. the tie rods fit perfectly on the 3rd gen steering knuckles. so that's something to think about. and for anyone who is thinking about modifying there knuckles them selfs, consider that they are made of cast iron on all Camaros. so you cant just weld it with a standard Mig welder. there is a lot more involved then that.

Luv2Drift

well i played around with the control arms a little more today and managed to free up enough room for 54* of angle. tomorrow i am gonna shorten the steering arm a little more and see how far i can go before the tie rods over center. i am also hitting on the caliper again so i will have to trim the LCA a little more for that. and i picked up some 2" extended tie rods to go with the 2"s i extended the LCA. once i know i have as much as possible i will make some jigs and do the other side.
these pics are with everything on except the coil spring.

90firebird

Neat stuff, drift. I see that you have alot of experience with this stuff and work on other platforms as well, but aren't you worried that your geometry isn't exactly ride-height without a spring in/loaded? Potential rubbing/interference/binding when everything is assembled and on the ground?

I'd like to hear a little bit about your car and what sanctioning body you run in. Any profile pages?

Neat stuff. There are a handful of us that are interested in drifting, and an even slimmer few like you who dive in.

Luv2Drift

not worried. i check for clearance by jacking up the bottom of the LCA with the spring in until it begins to lift off the stands. then turn the wheel lock to lock to make sure it has plenty of clearance. also the may i make my jigs i will be able to cut and weld both the knuckles once i am done then take the car for a test drive to check everything. if there are any issues i can make small adjustments to the jig and cut and re do them. starting out with a new car is a slow process. but i really enjoy it. i have always bean a muscle car fan and have had a 2nd gen since o4. i only got my 240 in 07. and i have done a lot to it and used it to do a lot of parts for others. so it's really nice to actually be getting to use what i have learned from don't that car and other drift cars on the kind of cars i really enjoy.

"I'd like to hear a little bit about your car and what sanctioning body you run in. Any profile pages?"

what do you want to know? this Camaro isn't mine. it belongs to a guys who has seen my work on other cars and asked me if i could do it for his #rd gen. i was more than happy to get to work an a Camaro.
right now i just drift in local grass roots events. but i was building my 2nd gen to compete in Formula Drift. i hit a road block when i discovered from a friend of mine who has bean filming for Formula D for a few years now and knows a lot of people involved, that there may be an age rule which will exclude my car. so i have bean looking for a 86 to 92 Camaro to build instead. long term it will be better anyway because of the stock weight, more ridged body design, and suspension design.

DBLTKE

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In another thread I had heard the idea of using G-body lower A-arms. Apparently they are a direct fit option and are 1" longer than stock 3rd gen F-body A-arms. This may make it easier to reduce the scrub radius.

Luv2Drift

that's good to know. if that is true you could just bolt those up an gain a little clearance and some negative camber. i have a friend with a Cutlas. i might see if he can take off one of his arms to let me se if it fits... no pun intended. lol
but for what i am doing you need at least 2" extended arms. once i have my own 3rd gen to play around with i will make some fully adjustable tubular arms. that will make it way easier and much more tunable.

DBLTKE

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Wouldn't the use of longer a-arms also create an issue with running wider wheels (say 10") at the same steering angle?

Luv2Drift

no. a longer LCA give u more clearance so u can run a wider wheel. the only thing u might have an isue with is the wheel sticking out past ur fender.

Luv2Drift

well, i shaved off a a little of the LCA to gain more room for the break caliper. but now the tire is starting to hit the break line. i could relocate the break line. but it would be a lot more work and i don't think the customer will want to pay for that. right now the car is at 54* at full lock and -5* of camber. here are a few more pics just for fun.

soultron

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Cutlass arms are not longer. 1st gen camaro arms are about an inch longer, but run a different ball joint.

83 Crossfire TA

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yea, I asked someone to measure some g body arms and just some quick ballpark measurements if anything they're the same or shorter

Luv2Drift

so i finally got the car on the ground today, and everything finished up, minus the coating. did a half assed alignment with a straight edge. with the camber plates all the way in the car is at -7* of camber. with them all the way out it's at -3* i think that should be perfect for now until the owner gets used to it, then he can play with the setting a little. it will get a real alignment before he drives it home. i took it out for a test drive it feels amazing. with the steering arms being so much shorter it is so responsive and tight it almost feels like it has a steering rack. . very happy with the results. i have finished the jig for the knuckles. now i just need to do the jig for the LCA's. once everything is coated i will post up some pice. and with the camber pushed out it freed up some room for 1* more of steering angle without the tires rubbing, and since i made adjustable bump stops i changed the setting on them and now it's at 55* at full lock.

Bullydawg

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How much would a setup like that cost?

Luv2Drift

$475 is the price i have settled on right now. if the production of parts ends up being easier and cheeper than i expect it will be a little less. but if it ends up costing me it will be a little more.

Pablo

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Very interesting. Do you have any pictures of the thirdgen spindles completed? I take it you cut and re-welded the arm, how long are they now, and did you change the angle of the arm? Finally, were these properly welded with respect to welding cast parts?

Looks like a neat project.

Luv2Drift

they where shortened quite a bit. and yes i changed the ackermann angle and the are welded correctly for cast iron. much different than welding steel and much more time consuming. i don't yet have any pics but i will post them up as soon as i get them coated.

dannyboyemt

wow amazing work drift! plz keep us posted i would definatly be interested in purchasing a set in the future once u have everything streamlined.

Luv2Drift

well it's all finished. i was unable to make an efficient jig for the LCA's do to time constraints. so i am only going to be offering the modified knuckles. modifying the LCA's to accommodate the maximum amount of steering angle will have to be left up to you. i do have a very precise jig for the steering knuckles and will be doing them for $275. feel free to use the LCA's pictured as a guide to do the work your self. i have extended them 2" and trimmed them considerably to allow for wheel and tie rod clearance, the sway bar endlink pickup point shouldn't have to be changed the way i did it if you cut around it and leave it in the stock location. i had removed it completely when figuring out all the angles and stuff so i had to make my own. i also boxed in the portion under the LCA where i extended it to ad some strength and keep it from flexing do to it being so much narrower. as soon as i have my own 3rd gen i will make some adjustable tubular LCA's and start working on many other parts. if someone want's to donate a 5 speed shell that will accept my 350 i would be more than happy to do all there parts for free with them just paying for the materials. i really need to get me one of these now. lol

Luv2Drift

this car now has 54* of steering angle both ways and a 8' turning radius.

DBLTKE

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Oregon plates? You plan to ever come up to any of the drifting events at PIR?

midnightfirews6

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Looks sick! Good work and the pieces look great. Do you have any pictures of the car just sitting on the ground with the wheels straight? I'd love to see how -7* of camber looks on a thirdgen lol.

Luv2Drift

it's not my car. but i am sure the owner will. hi lives a lot closer than i do to PIR. although i do plan on drifting at PIR my self once i have a little more $ saved up. i will probably just bring my S13 though.

Luv2Drift

thinks. it's not at -7 any more. i have it closer to -3. this pic is with the wheel at ride hight. i have a jack holding it up.

joecamaro

oh it's my car i was at the first event at pir in the camaro and ill be at the next one in it.

Pablo

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Looks good. I love what this does for wheel clearance and ackerman. I am just apprehensive about the strength.
Can you go into some detail about the process used for welding this?

I'm really wishing I had some spindles like that.

Luv2Drift

bout time u piped up. lol

well i tested the strength by welding a similar size spindle i had laying around i cut it in half then beveled the edges all the way down from worth sides, then filed it back up heating it slowly then letting it cool slowly. i put it in a 12 ton press and tried to break it with the press pushing down directly on the welded joint. i nearly blew the gaskets out of the press and i also beat on it with a 5lb sledge while it was in the press. it survived that so i felt confident enough to take on the task of welding these knuckles.

Luv2Drift

@ joecamaro_ once you ge to test it out you should post up some pics and stuff maby how it felt to you.

Pablo

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good to know. Out of curiosity, are the spindles cast steel or are they iron?

Luv2Drift

they are cast iron. that is why it is such a pain to weld them. i have welded many cast steel knuckles and they are much easier and strait forward.

joecamaro

i will i can't wait to drive is it's going to be fun

Luv2Drift

small update: got the car back from alignment today. also did a "slight" adjustment to the break line bracket location with a hammer. now the car can run with the bump stops all the way in with no rubbing at 58* on the leading wheel and the trailing wheel is a 48* and the car is now back in the owners possession. i really need my own now to continue creating parts. i have big plans for this chase. cant weight.

joecamaro

ok i just picked up the car this morning and i can't get over how amazing the car is now it's crazy how tight the turning radius is with these parts i can't say enough about them soo soo happy with it i would recommend these to everyone even if you don't drift they would come in handy all the time insanely tighter turns!!! and at a great price i could see it costing 2 to 3 time as much luv2drift is the man!! thanks again you rock

DBLTKE

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I didn't see your car at the last event, did you run on saturday or Sunday?

Bullydawg

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Any updates? Just curious if you are going to make any more sets... I am interested.

Luv2Drift

i am still selling the knuckles. but i dont have a jig for the LCA's. i am not gonna be getting a 3rd gen for quite a wile.

Nickh07

Any update on LCA production? Would you consider a combo package of LCA and spindles? What is shipping looking like? Also what is the wheel specs? Is a crazy offset or certain width more suitable or can an OEM wheel work? Spacers used? Also I would be concerned a little about bump steer or does the modded spindle negate that? And instead of longer tie rods would it be easier to make a custom 2" longer center adjuster out of hex stock and thread it? Also what strut mounts are those? And when on the ground were the fenders heavily pulled/ rolled? I am very interested in near duplicating this setup and I'm not afraid to ruin some fenders haha... Also does that cosmetically make the rear end look lacking? Thanks! Great write up and great pics and awesome work!!!

Luv2Drift

well like i said. i didn't make a jig for the LCA's so i am not able to re make them. but i do have a jig for the knuckles. so i can still do those. shipping is $15 in the US. $25 exported. the wheels on that camaro where like 8" wide with a 0 offset. there is absolutely no bump steer with this knuckle set up. the adjustable sleeve is the part thats longer on the car i did. u can usually pick them up at ur local race shop that deals in circle track racing. i did not change the strut mounts only the knuckle and LCA. with the LCA's i did the fenders didn't have to be modifies but the inner fender skirt was removed. the rear wheels definitely did sit in further but it didn't look to wearied. if u just ran spacers or different wheels out back to make them flush with the fenders it would look perfect.

Nickh07

Haha sorry! I thought this thread was old! Didn't see you had posted a few days ago. Anyhow... So the stock strut mounts were able to give enough adjustment? I was for sure if you moved the ball joint you would need spherical castor plates... Also would you consider doing those lcas again if I sent you a set? And I didn't see one but did this car have a wonder bar? And what is the best castor angle to setup for drift? Have you been able to take this car out and test it??? I'm chomping at the bit for info here!!!!

Luv2Drift

i couldn't get everything perfect without having a car to do the work with thats why i am only offering the knuckles. because i only have a jig for them. its not my car so i didnt get the chance to drift it. i did drive it around a bit though and it felt really nice. much less understeer and it felt a lot more comfortable in the corners do to having such a wider stance and way more negative camber.