hihighost

Exactly! I seriously doubt you bought the impala for it's drag racing capabilities. You must have had other priorities when making the purchase...the fact that it can move relatively quick is just an added bonus...But certainly not the main focus of the vehicle.

Treys_IROC

Your incesant bitching has angered me, run your car at the track, i think you will be very dissappointed.

okmaro

GM cars suck lately, except the Z06 of course. The foreign car companies redesign almost every year, GM does every few and that sets them back. Isn't is surprising how as soon as the American car companies take heat about gas mileage the mpg goes up, if they could do the change so quickly they should have done it earlier like the foreign cars did, who didn't know gas would eventually go up? They needed to take one for the team so their customer base wasn't being screwed at the pump. All that hydrogen research stuff the foreign companies are pushing annoys the heck out of me, you don't get something for nothing, just because the car runs on something that from the car standpoint doesn’t release emissions, you still need to produce the usable hydrogen (compression, filtering, actual refining), and that requires the same amount of energy and releases the comparable emissions. The power sucks too. I'm glad the american companies are bringing out respectably powered cars, but style wise, they blow, who the heck thought the HHR (I'm not saying the HHR has good power) was a good idea?

stu

The HHR does suck. What a terrible idea. They can add that to the list of the Aztek and the Thunderbird.


Anyway, please expand on why you don't like hydrogen. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

sasser43

The aztek reminds me of a crx mixed with a minivan.

I just wonder what it was like at GM when they we're looking at the concept drawings and which people thought that car would be a hit.

stu

One thing that GM is doing right (although I'm not interested at all) is the Hummer line. All those suckers wanted the H2 (12 mpg? give me a break!) and I actually like the H3. I commend them on making a smaller SUV that people still cream their panties over. Now if they would just do that with their cars they'd be alright.

84L69TA

You are seriously the stupidest person Ive ever seen post on this site. Your car isnt fast! If you think low-mid 14's is fast, then Im sorry but you are a bigger idiot than I thought. And dont get too cocky...when my L69 was stock, you wouldnt have been as far ahead of me as you think. Come on Mr. Jet Fuel, why dont you take that boat out to the track? Dont have the ***** for it? Dont want to come back here with a stack of 15-sec timeslips and tell everyone you really are a moron? Everyone that has replied to this post thinks the same way....youre a joke. Lkie I said, do yourself a favor and get the hell out of here.

TraviZ

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haha i agree i bet you wont click off any 13.xx times.

PHAT89TA

FrankA320 If only u lived in cali i would race ur azz. I would owned u

CaptPicardsZ28

I haven't been watching the hummer line too close except to know that GM was supposed to put the duramax diesel in the new ones. If that's the case then I would agree the new hummer is kick ***. The duramax diesel is the only thing that saved the GM truck line. It is by far the best diesel engine available anywhere. I have driven different American diesel trucks and there is no comaparison. The duramax hauls *** and pulls like a mother.

stu

Having experience working at a lot that sold new and used Hummers, I can for sure tell you that the H1 sucks a ****. Well, just the motor I guess. It IS, hands down, THE stupidest personal vehicle you can buy hands down.

hihighost

Wait. More importantly...What's wrong with the consumers actually buying the HHR? 144,717 HHR's were sold in 2004. That's 144,717 people driving one hideous SUV.

And next year doesn't look so hot either. The "redesigned" Aveo? Looks like a chevy-fied Ford Echo. Don't they have the cobalt? Do the really need another car just like it?

stu

Ford Echo?

Toyota Echo
Ford Focus



Speaking of Toyota, it's not just a coincidence that they are in position to be the largest auto manufacture in the entire world. Something to think about.

ScottyRS

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I almost completely agree. Except for the Monte Carlo SS.

Now that's a decent looking car, healthy V8, pretty nice interior. Only real drawback: FWD. If they put the axle under the gas tank I wouldn't mind having one as a daily driver.

hihighost

I wanted to mesh the three together and clearly effed up, lol. Either way, unecessary and a step in the nowhere direction for Chevy.

okmaro

What I am trying to say with hydrogen is that in order to make the fuel to run them, hydrogen, it needs to be processed at a plant, typically natural gas is burned in the creation process and that emits pollution as well, they act as if hydrogen can be sucked out of the air and into your car, it can't, it needs to be refined and purified just like any other fuel source. Any type of car is going to create pollution, whether it is from the car as its running or in the creation of the fuel that runs it. Electric cars are the same way, fuel is burned in the creation of the energy used to run them, the pollution may as well have come from the car itself. I personally believe that the only way to go is make cars efficient, your going to have waste products no matter what (electric, hydrogen or gas) but at least a person with a moderately priced gas based car can light their tires up once and a while and still feel eco friendly. Any alternate fuel source car is insanely expensive if you want power.

stu

Water and wind power have no emissions and are replenishable.

Which car company just came out with a hybrid that has over 300 hp and does 0-60 in under 6 seconds? I can't remember what it was, but I've seen the commercial. I think it's either Infinity or Lexus.

okmaro

1) Hydrogen must be pressurized and it takes energy to do that, and although water and wind type power plants work on a small area, or in some cases large like the hoover dam, there is not nearly enough resources to create all the power plants to meet demand, and that on its own takes power to produce the parts and the construction process involves waste as well. I recently looked into the actual output of those wind turbines and there just isnt enough energy production there, if there was most cities would have switched already.

2) Hybrids are a different story, they take the good aspects of both gas based cars and electric, I have no problem with hybrid based cars, they are many times less powerful but they are not weak, especially new ones being released. Again though, look at the companies you listed, not too many people want to fork out the cash to buy a lexus or infinity just to be able to do what a normal gas based car can do, you have to make it desireable for a consumer to buy and make the switch. Many people will say that they want to do their part for the environment, but when push comes to shove if it takes away from their lifestyle they won't go for it.

stu

I understand all the production costs that you are talking about, I majored in Economics, I spent 4 years talking about all that stuff.

I also know what you mean about the Infiniti/Lexus deal, but for 300 hp you are looking at $30-40k anyway, unless you want just a cheapo car like an SRT-4.

okmaro

Are people willing to spend $30k-40k for a car with power that is comparable to a lower priced gas car? I think the only way that truly higher powered hybrids can be worth it to the public is if they figure out ways to cut costs, just like anything else when something first comes out its expensive, prices just need to drop and people will get on board.

superGMman

It's the lexus suv the 400h. Pretty cool commercial too.

FrankA330

Ok you dumd*** greasemonkey, were YOUR cars fast when they were new? Yes they were! And don't give me that BS that they were made 20 years ago. Numbers dont change that much. So OBVIOUSLY this one is also! Is the SS VERY fast? Is it gonna beat "WORKED" cars? Most not but SOME it will, stock. Now I KNOW you CAN'T make sense out of that beacuse YOU ARE JUST A greasemonkey ASE and I am an A & P!!! What that also means is that I was trained in piston engines as well as turbine engines. And you weren't trained that well at all, expecially in READING! I can also fly a circles in a 757 around that 84whatever!

P.S. No disrespect to knowledgeable "good" mechanics but this guy just can't read whats in front of him and is a bit quick with the name calling, no big deal, just need to let him know where he REALLY stands!

5.6 sec 0 - 60 STOCK, pretty quick! Thats all I'm saying.

FrankA330

True

FrankA330

1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z28 7.0 15.2
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 6.6 14.9
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z L98 6.8 15.3
1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 7.0 15.5
1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 5.8 14.4
1990 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.5 15.0

Dissapointed in what? The numbers on those stock ROCS are HIGHER than mine. Do the math. First of all where we race is not quite a quarter mile. Also your car is probably somewhat worked. My car hasn't been touched yet. Im also not gonna race until I do SOME work at least. Would you race your stock ROC? My car does 0 - 60 in about 5.7 secs. After I do some mods, I OBVIOUSLY will lower that number depending on whats done. No?!? - YES!

stu

"Are you guys brothers?"
"No.......YES! MAN!"


Why wouldn't you race a car just because it's stock? Sounds like you are doubting how fast it is. Plus, haven't you ever heard of bracket racing?

TraviZ

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yup he's scared. dont talk until u have numbers yourself!

okmaro

I can't wait to see how much cash he pours into his impala just to try and prove a point that doesnt exist. Dollar for dollar in mods a third gen will beat him. Isn't the point of this site for third gen owners to converse, not unsatisfied impala buyers?

Orr89RocZ

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i agree that these are some weak numbers for stock L98's. the earlier ones might be abit slower but the 89+ ones were mid 14's. my car with just full exhaust and 2800 stall did 13.8's on street tires. and with slicks/drag radials, it will do ALOT more than that.. probly 13.5's. i'll be finding out soooon. LOL]

and yes there are 5spd 305 cars that will do mid lower 14's well driven, just like the L98's

TraviZ

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whether its an auto or manual stock for stock made quite a difference if i remember.

urbanhunter44

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That's what LT1 fbodys did back in '93

someone close this thread