kylez28

I have a full bolt-on L98 with 150 shot of NX nitrous(110-111 mph traps). My dad just recently traded in his fox-body and is now the proud owner of a black 03 cobra. Well yesterday I was just jokin around about how Ford needs a blower to be fast and he said well lets run my blower to your nitrous(his car is bone stock down to the filter). So I said alright if you really want to get beat that bad.

So we take it out to the country on a two lane road and line em up. We decide to go on three honks(still feel kinda weird racing my dad LOL) and I get the jump by about...i'd say a fender. I could hear that supercharger nice and clear right at my window and it sounded badass as hell. He hit 2nd gear and started to edge me out, then almost as soon as he hit third he puts me back about a car easily and just keeps on pulling.

On the way home we kinda had one from about a 55 mph roll and he completely destroyed me even with my 150 shot.

MidnightBlue07

cool run, those cobra are mean with blowers on them, ur L98 sounds pretty stout, that make me thinking of one day running my LB9 to my dad's 383 Nova. lol

aren't 2003 cobras around 390hp / 390 ft-lbs stock?

freestylzz

Do you have heads and cam work??

With a 150 shot, makes me wonder what kind of "full" bolt-on work you've got done.

kylez28

91 corvette L98(250/350 stock) Hooker longtubes, ported plenum, exhaust with no cats, engine bored .060 over with forged internals, 3.73 gears, 1.6 roller rockers, shift kit, custom tuned chip, bbk throttle body, SLP CAI, nitto drag radials, some "weight reduction"(no back seats, spare tire jack), SS hood(lighter than original) and a 150 shot of nitrous. Oh and MSD Ignition. 102 trap off motor.

gta31

my friends 03 cobra with the kenny blower would prob beat me to 100 if he let me start at 50 lol they are fun cars to race, since u know u will lose its all for fun, I love racing my dad in his mach 1, prob one the most fun things we do, we are heading to auto cross in august hopefully it will be close since a drivers race and I have lost to fieros plently of times lol

89TPI350

I really like the 03 cobras alot. That is the meanest 4.6 I have ever seen with that dang supercharger sitting on top.

Sidewayz28

theres only 1 car id ever sell my SS for and it would be an 03/04 cobra.. those things are sick
and im not going to be TOO scared of those things for long.. next month = heads/cam

Blu91Z28

That's surprising, considering the majority of stock blown Cobra's I've seen at the track run high 12's-low 13's.

Willie

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....aren't 2003 cobras around 390hp / 390 ft-lbs stock?

Exactly! BUT from dynos of many owners, these cars put down 360-380 rwhp. That's less than 8 percent driveline loss. The typical accepted value is 15 percent so Ford obviously underrated this 281 CI motor. On my '03, with just a CAI and Borla Stinger catback, I'm putting down 420 rwhp! Ford (SVT) finally got it right in 2003....

urbanhunter44

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im really unimpressed with their performance down a drag strip, mostly due to IRS.

I'm not really that impressed with them anyway.. they have a blower lol..

for the cash there are faster things I could get.

stu

Like?

25thmustang

Brand new for mid $30s, there arent many options out (speaking from 03/04 terms) there that will run mid to high 12s (if you know what your doing) will get mid 20 mpg, hold 4 people, and have all the potential in the world to go fast and handle well. I have never been huge on the Cobra bug, but you cant knock what they are.

'86 350

Your kidding right? Your telling me you could round up a car faster then an 03/04 Cobra for 30k?

Hell even if you wanna give me only the money for a used Cobra I'll build a much faster and still streetabe car for that price......

25thmustang

I was talking in 2003 buying a brand new never driven before new car with a warrenty. What out there could you buy that ran 12s, got good gas mileage, sat 4 people, handled well, and could be modded as easily as those cars (hello 450 rwhp with a pulley and filter). Im not saying its the best car ever, or if I would even want one, but for the money and what they did, they were great cars, blower or not!

'86 350

I wasn't talking about what you had said, I think LS1 cars were pretty close, but not in ease-of-modding.

But for some reason stu seems to think that for $15k-20k a car just is fast can't be built.

EDIT: I just noticed your in CT, what part?

kylez28

What does any of this have to do with me racing my dad's 03 cobra? The guy before my dad that owned the 03 cobra said it dyno'd 363 rwhp bone stock.

Hijackers

stu

Quit rolling your eyes at me you dumbass. I was asking what car can be bought for $30k that is faster than the Cobra. Of course you can build one faster, but that's an entirely different argument altogether.

'86 350

Really? Let's go back and check shall we?


He said for the cash there are faster things he could get, you questioned him by saying, "like?" You never specified what you vcan buy, or what you can buy new, etc, so stop whining.


Also, if you wanna make those the requirments, then go for it. For 30k I can think of PLENTY of cars that would puke all over that Cobra. Let's compile a list shall we?

1. Modded/used LS1 F-body
2. Modded C5 vette
3. Modded 3rd gen (wow imagine that)
4. Modded Nova
5. Built Fox body
6. ect, ect......

The list goes on and on. I don't neccesarily have to modify or build up a car, cars that are much faster can be bought used too. I'm sure I could find plenty of modded cars on ebay that I could buy as-is and not end up touching them.

If you want just stock cars, there's some there too, C5 z06 just to name one.

F&Ybodlover

hmm.. I'd a thought you'd be able to beat him with a 150 shot. Your car is probably puttin over 275 at the crank, +150, thats about 425hp. Those Cobra's are a little under rated and have over 400, but your car should have significantly more torque. I raced 1 in my stock 94 auto LT1 vette, beat it both times from a roll(I thought it was going to smoke me) but a chick was drivin. Are you sure that Cobra is bone stock? Its easy to do a pulley change and raise the boost.

'86 350

Plus the 3rd gen is much lighter.

urbanhunter44

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I could buy a 4th gen LT1 car for 5k, put 25k into it and it'll stomp anything on the street, including bikes. solid roller 410 c.i.d. stroker LT1, fully forged, supercharged. AFRs top of the line heads (closing on 400 cfm, to be released very shortly) with a sheetmetal single plane intake, backed by a 500 shot of nitrous running through a built Th400 with 5000 stall into a ford 9" rear with 4.56 gears. that and supporting pieces are close to 25k if you do alot of work yourself. A cobra would stand no chance. A Hyabusa might give you a good run on the highway.. but in the end I bet the maro would pull it.

Or just dump all 30k into a thirdgen.. bet that **** will be fast.

honestly im just not hugely impressed with 03/04 cobras, and that was my whole point. Cool for what they are, but if you're buying it simply to go fast, your money would have been better spent on a used Fbody.

'86 350

Exactly, but apparently "built" cars aren't allowed. I could still buy a car that's already modded and walk all over a Cobra for 30k.

I agree their cool cars, but I also agree that money can be better spent.

urbanhunter44

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why buy stock when i can buy aftermarket?

when comparing power to money ratio, to reject the addition of built cars is pure nonsense.

LT1FUN

Sorry to the origional thread starter for being off topic, but I just need to ask be off topic, but I just had to ask urbanhunter44 a question about this comment.

urbanhunter44, where did you hear about these 400cfm AFR LT1 heads?

I am planning on getting their raised runner LT4 215cc heads for my all-forged 396 build-up and have never heard of a newer head design coming out from AFR.

The raised runner 215's are the highest flowing LT4 heads AFR makes (have been for a long while too) , and they top out at aprox. 325cfm. I was about to drop a SERIOUS amount of cash on these heads, but if what you're saying is true, I'll definetely wait for this newer design.

400cfm?

Thast's insane!

Could you provide a link or give me a little more info on where you got this information?

Thanks in advance.

urbanhunter44

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Yes these are an entirely new design.

The thread I read in the LT1 section on LS1tech was deleted after a LOT of **** talking went on in it, but in it AFR announced the heads. Afterwards another thread was created asking why the old one was deleted, and once again the announcement was made. That was the most I had heard about it. I know the current bad boys are raised runner ported lt4 heads.

I tried searching through LS1tech but I'd recommend simply emailing AFR to verify the information. I know the flow numbers were a good amount higher than anything they have now as they're an entirely new design of head. im 99% sure I read the numbers were "near 400 cfm" but AFR declined to state the actual numbers as the heads aren't in real production just yet.

this was a few weeks ago i read the threads.

if im wrong, substitute my choice of heads in my post above for the 215 cc LT4 rigs that flow 325.

kylez28

I put 252 rwhp without my roller rockers and borla exhaust, plus the 150 shot I'm not sure what I would be putting. It's my dad's car so I'm pretty sure its bone stock. From a dig he barely beat me, and from a 60sih roll he put a hurtin on me but it's not like he completely destroyed me. Plus with my 3.73 gears I pretty much ran outta steam and he went right on by me.

vipershark11

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its always fun when your dad wants to race you but you know you gotta lose cause hes the man always just like in my case its a little ackward but when we raced his L98 owned my LO3 so hard it wasnt even funny.

stu

Like I said, you can't buy a new car for $30k that'll waste a Cobra. Too bad you wasted all that typing.

stu

I'm sorry you're too stupid to realize what's going on in this thread.

You can go to a car dealership and finance a $30k and drive it off the lot and be fast.

OR

You can put $30k into another car and it either won't be fast, or you won't be able to drive it for however many years it will take you to actually put $30k into some project car. Get real fellas. You can't even get an unsecured loan for anywhere NEAR $30k.

I hate this stupid argument, used by unrealistic people, that you can just "drop___K" into a car and it will be faster. People in real life have a hard time putting $5k into a car let alone $30k. In the mean time, the guy who financed a Cobra is out kicking *** while you're at home jerking off with your nose burried in a parts magazine.

****ing please!

slohand

"You can't even get an unsecured loan for anywhere NEAR $30k. "

gee stu, speak for yourself. one of my credit cards is worth 25k. and they want to increase the limit.

now, kyle, it takes ***** to run the cobra. you did well.

i ran one again the other night, it wasn't stock. he jumped but the ol girl started pulling back he hit second and started barely pulling again then there was traffic in my lane and had to let off. would have loved to run from a dig again. ya, he was gonna reel me in sooner or later but just the look on his face in the mirror would have been worth it.

go get em kyle!!

urbanhunter44

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This is a worthless topic.

My opinion is that Cobras don't impress me. That's what I said in the beginning, and that's how it stands.

They're cool cars sure, but if I'm really serious about going fast, and I really have 30 grand to spend, I can guaran-damn-tee you that I'll rape a 03/04 Cobra that isn't heavily modified as well. That was what my whole statement was about - for the cash I can go FASTER. And I can and there's no way you can logically deny it without lying.

rx7speed

I get confused here. you guys rant and rave how 30-35k for a cobra is a waste of money cause you can buy a cheap car for something like 1-5k bucks then put 30-34k in mods on the car and beat the cobra.

but then later on go on to how the wow the Z06 is such a wonderfull car and blah blah blah. isn't that kinda the same thing. I could prolly spend couple bucks buy something cheap and then spend the extra 60k or so putting mods on it to smoke the zo6 right?


you want to compare a car that has many more miles on it and compare it to something fairly new that hasn't had much of a chance to depreciate in value and thne go on to say because your car has depreciate in value so much it's a much better car?

so in that case why are we even buying new cars? shouldn't we just forget new cars and all buy something used?


and btw why spend 5k on a car then spend and extra 30k in mods. to me that is a waste when I can maybe pick up a bike for 10k run near 10's in stock form then spend 25k in mods from there and smoke you even more right?

so doesn't that signify that ALL cars suck now?

and what if I bought a used bike?


so shouldn't we buy used bikes now and forget about cars all together cause I just established cars suck be it new or used. and so far at the top of the chain I established the z06 sucks the most
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sure it can cause your comparing an older car that has lost a lot of it's value.

**** lt1's don't impress me either. I can buy a l98 for cheaper then your lt1 and make up the difference in mods and beat a stock lt1 right?

25thmustang

For $30,000 if done right you can go 8s without even breaking a sweat, if were talking speed only. I was thinking more along the lines of buying a new stock car, and leaving it that way. There arent many if any options out there in 03/04 that were comparable...

stu

I never challenged that. I asked what other cars there are on the market that are faster than a Cobra for the same price. Everyone keeps changing the subject and going off topic, but no one seems to be able to answer the original question.

2QUIK4U

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what about an 02 SS Camaro? Some guy from a Ford magizine supposedly ran a high 12 with a bone-stock test mule.. Those Cobras are pretty bad-@ss machines.
SLP has a kit in the Summit catalog for $2200 (pulley, retune, CAI, headers, exhaust) That guarantees 575 HP!!!!!! Thats impressive in my book.
They sound sick too..

'86 350

Once again, your wrong. You asked what he could get that was better than the Cobra for 30k. How about you specify all the "guidelines" next time? That way I don't have to spend 2-3 posts proving you wrong.


Then I'd get a goddamn used Jet.

stu

I'm not wrong, I know you can build a car to be fast, but we're talking about spending $30k here. None of you have $30k to put into a car. One guy said he had $25k in credit, that's cool dude, if you want to finance $25k at 12-21% instead of $30k for 1%.

No one has yet answered the question.

'86 350

What question is that?

stu

What car can you buy that is faster than a Cobra for $30k. I'm not talking about building a car, because that is comparing apples to oranges.

I'm sure there is one out there, but I want to hear what it is.

F&Ybodlover

this answer your ? AutoTrader.com - Cars For Sale: Car Details

stu

I bet that is one of those fake ads. If not, I'll go pick up a ZO6 when I pay off my debt. No really.

F&Ybodlover

Fake? 01-02 Z06's are everywhere for under $30k, I've seen them for 25k with mid miles. They run between 12.4-11.9. A stock 99-00 hardtop(GMHTP got 12.6@111 bone stock most are high 12's.)or 01-04 6spd coupe are a drivers race next to a stock 03 Cobra and the hardtops can be had for less than $20k. A stock 94-95 ZR1 can be had for under $30k, and they will give one for it's money on the street and pull it on the highway. 96 LT4 vette's are up there as well, and well under $30k.

stu

You do realize that the depriciation and lack of warranty changes things, but I won't argue about that. One thing that changes things for me is the altitude that I'm at. A Cobra up here should be just as fast as a C5 ZO6.

Seriously, a ZO6 for under $30k with around 30,000 miles? Why doesn't EVERYONE have one?

WAIT. What year did they switch from 385 hp to 405 hp?

25thmustang

BRAND NEW in 2003 what could be had for $34000 that was as good or better than the Cobra? I just want to know?

LT1FUN

Depends of what you're reffering to. "Better Straight-line acceleration?" Can't really think of anything that could compete in that area. But when it comes to handeling, well, let's just say that taking corners isn't one the Cobra's strong points.

Regardless, Cobra's are pretty cool cars. They can make some serious power with just a pully change and exhaust. Enough to out-power super-exotic's costing 5x as much. Gotta respect that. Currently they're still the best "bang for the buck" pony car on the market. Then again, it's the only pony car on the market, so that's not saying much.

Let Ford have it's time in the lime light. When the Camaro comes back, you can count on the fact it will tear the Cobra a new one......without the need for a power-adder either.

But, as other's have mentioned, if you've got $30,000 to spend, ZO6's can be found at that price range with relitively low milage and some still under warrenty. I'd take a Z06 or standard Vette, any day of the week over a Mustang.

F&Ybodlover

If your talking about faster? Then nothing sold in the U.S. That was never the question. The question, (I think) was what stock car today worth $30k or less, are as fast/faster than a 03 Cobra. Of the top of my head, I know of the Corvette's and maybe even a 97 SSLT4 and 92 and 01-02 Firehawk. All those cars can run very low 13's high 12's also. it' a moot point, because everyone mods their cars anyway right?

kylez28

Who cares it's not like you even own one. The only reason it is worth a **** is because it has a supercharger and everyone knows that. People say it's a tired argument but it's the truth, that car would be nothing without the blower.

25thmustang

Haha, here we go again. No being how young I am I cannot afford an 03 Cobra. Even if I could I wouldnt get one, Id grab a Mach 1 and go 11s all motor, but I dont have that kind of money. You are one of the 3 people or so this week who dont like me. Should start a little army, and try to get me removed from the site. Might make your stay here better... then when Mustang questions come up you and those 2 guys can try and answer them with your wealth of knowledge...

urbanhunter44

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To answer your question stu, in 2003 the Cobra was a good choice for performance on the dollar, but imo the left over 2002 F-Bodys have it beat when all is said and done money wise.

But it's 2006, and there are no more new cobras.

My statement was, for 30k I can go faster than buying a cobra, and I can. Probably handle better too.

And that Z06 ad is real imo, I've seen them coming down in price. A Z06 of the same year as the cobra will beat it without a problem. Z06s have been ran into the high 11s stock.

The real fact of the matter is if I had 30 grand laying here right now that I could blow on a car I'd buy something cheap and make it fast as all hell, rather than buy a cobra.

Manic Z

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Hey, 25th, are you refering to me?

No offense, but I've worked on a few 5.0's.
All in fox bodies.
They're not THAT complicated.
Damn, I'm in the middle of one right now. Just yanked the motor out yesterday.

And I never said I don't like you. I just think your constant rehashing of pro mustang facts is tiring and annoying in an all thirdgen fbody site. Maybe YOU should get over the fact that some fbody guys aren't going to like you and your comments. Did you expect any less?

And you bring up your 'reputation' over and over and over. Who the hell cares? You, obviously.

Do you want to know the true secret behind the 5.0 mustang's performance?
Here it is.....popularity. Yes, popularity. Back then, the 5.0 was the 'import' of today. Everybody had to have one, and build it up. Thirdgen's unfortunately, went the way of the 'hick mobile'. But slowly that stigma is fading, and more and more high po thirdgen fbodies are showing up. And for cheap, just like the 5.0 was always praised for.