well ive only raced one of these and from what i could tell i had him. we were coming from an off ramp and i heard him rev behind me so i accepted his challenge and reved back. on a side note the 3rd gens sounded a hell of a lot better than the gt's. so i hit floored it while turning left so my rear and was in the right lane while my front was in the left lane (i still had the car under control by the way i just love doing that) well the retard decides to come up on where my front end was while i was drifting on a sence so when i straighten out i almost hit him well because he doesnt know that a rear end will straighten out when sideways he got pissed so we get to the next light and im laughing cause he has no.... well brain lol. so the light turns green and we floor it i shoot out about car length and keep a slow and steady pull. but it was a short distance between to lights so it was quick but he never pulled back i did see a puff of smoke from him i think when he shifted but either way he cut infront of me when the light ahead was red and almost slid into a car infront. i was laughing my a$$ off. but after that we got beside each other on a two lane road farther down with a good distance and no car but he didnt want to race. now i want to race another gt to see where i stand or if he just didnt know how to race. but i have 305 tpi that has 200 wheel horse (now the dyno i was on was dynoing 30 less horse than what the car actually makes from what the evidence with other cars has shown) with a really lose driveshaft that hit the bottom of the car. so i know im hitting a higher horse than that now that i have a fully connected drive shaft and 278 tourque. but like i asid i want to take another one to see if that was just a fluke. i know that my motor was bored over some and might have a cam. i have to find the guy and ask what was done.

.....My dad could beat up your dad....... I knew this thread was going to be trouble from the start..... Im going to get popcorn...... ........ 3 pages from 1 question and 90% of the posts have nothing to do with it. ...... oh yeah I forgot, Im building a 305 instead of a 350 with a $5,000 budget,, what do you guys think. .... will it be able to beat airplane?

of course it would, its a ford v.s. GM post these always turn into that. a guy talks crap about a GM vehicle now the guy with the GM wants to put him in his place but doesnt know if it will win.. people are going to tell stories that were related and posts that say the beat a rustang...
if it were me id race him see where you stand if he wins then he wins take the blow. improve on it and race again see where you stand the closer you get to beating him the more nervouse he gets.

Ok I owned 2 mustangs so I guess I can rant. Mustangs are wannabee musclecars. If its over 1972 it sucks. I owned a 1986 that was pathetic and a 1992 GT 5.0 brand new. The 92 seemed fast after driving around in a 1978 Trans Am with a blocked cat.(figured out later what was wrong) Then I drove around in various POS until I got married. Then mini vans, then 87 Formula now a 02 Formula. The 87 was ok after I dropped a ton of mods into it, but the LS1. Second fastest car I have ever driven!

I meant Nitrous Oxide but that will work. New Years Eve a co worker put a smoke bomb in the back seat of my patrol car. I paid him back by spraying pepper spray on his door Handel. He got a hand full and drove off. Down the road he rubbed his eye and that was all she wrote.

the ls1 are an awsome motor. GM made a wonderful motor there. ever since they came with the ls1 they have based their v8's on that motor. and they love mods. the gains for those motors with an ad on were sick.

lmao owwwned but kinda dangerous if he goes blind at speed

huh

I think that sums up the racing idea between the stang and the 'Bird....Race and find out then u'll know for shure...
Now we went from what could be a good race to this dumb Rice/Import/retards Argument AGAIN..... I agree with these 2 post IMO a R I C E R is a dumb punk who just slaps the Laughing gas on his car and spends the rest of his money on lights and retarded looking body panels with a fart can..... Imports I have respect for those guy IMO have NOTHING to do with Ricers and hate Ricers just has much has we do (or should).

Now back to the topic of 'bird/'stang racing... IMO just up line up and have at it... You get beat then mod ur car and DO IT AGIAN! If ya lose ya u'll get ragged on but hell no matter what u do SOMEONE will beat you.

So get over the losing factor and RACE (perfrably at a track) if u want a muscle car then fluant it for it's looks AND power if u aint happy with the power then upgrade it IMO

by they way.... who won? Didn't race? Then get back in the car and go to the store and pick me up some beer, I got work to do on mine. (Don't get scared by the "Big bad" 'stangs) If ya did Race Did ya win? Lose?

Matt

I guess the import scene is different wherever you are from. I did say it was my observation, and mentioned its also a demographic problem. Respect them, hate them, thats your prerogative.

Me, Ill stick to rear-wheel-drive and muscle cars.



But I do say just race him. Im sure its just the ford vs chevy rivalry. I have a friend at work who drives a mustang. We exchange cheap shots, but Id help him with his car, the same way he would help me with mine. And yes, his car is faster than mine, and he knows it. But he also knows it wont be forever.

if you need me to explain something i can do that. it was 2 in the morning and i tried to shed some specs on the matter with my car. but it all kind of backfired.

I like any rear wheel drive V8 American vehicle (and a few turbo 6s). Fords, Mopars, Pontiacs, AMCs, Chevys, they are all great.

I just hope the tradition of the American "muscle car" is carried on. Doesn't matter whether it's a Ford or Chevy. The tradition started here, in America. That's all that counts for me. Have fun guys.

mostly it was the fact that you were admititly sideways near another vehicle and that you had a drive shaft that hit your floor? never heard of that.

I know about drifting, and have my share of stupid instances but never near a car

yeah. i admit that it was stupid. but i wasnt thinking much that day anyways my car had just come out of the paintshop that morning so i was too excited to care. but either way it was just me and him at that point. but if it were me in the mustang (i cant beleive im saying that) and i saw that i know that i would keep my distance until her straightened out, and not get as close to them as possable.

Yea, i feel that completely. I've had my share of street close calls... trying to one up some guy in a car I know is slower than mine because he's with his girl etc... almost rear ended a celica i was racing cuz i got right behind him and he hit his brakes lmao...
but





I think a mustang stock running good, good driver will own a thirdgen stock running riight good driver

looking at the specs on the mustangs from 1990 to 93 the horsepower ranged from 205-225 and the tourque ranged from 275-300. these are flywheel specs by the way. yours should be 230 horse and 330 tourque stock. so compairing the numbers you should have him. it wouldnt be a kill by the numbers but like Saigon_Bob said the driver matters in this too.

what happened w/the race man, i used to run my 88 iroc with a catback and about 250 pounds of stereo against a 93 gt 5sp neck and neck to about 130 and then the extra cubes allowed me to pull away all the way up to 150, i was quicker than my friends 89 gta though with all that heavy electronic bs

oops old thread

I guess I will keep the thread alive this is what I do to mustangs, check out the link.....

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/9...-gt_194535.htm

to the op,im about 35 miles from ya and ill give your friend a run for his $.whenever this damn snow melts lol.

What times did both cars run? Nothing showed up on the boards, would also be a good way to indicate whether or not there was a good driver in either car!

I knew this wouldnt stop at 3 pages.....5months later ...... this is my take.. a stock 350 gta or trans am will lose to a 5 speed 302,,,, Ive seen more than 6 of these races and everytime the mustang has come out on top... traction and driver ability can easily decide the races cause there close but all things equall a fully loaded tpi fbody will lose..... no power option formula 350 should be the same or a little quicker.

The dude with the camaro said he went a best of 13.7 in another thread, so high 13's low 14's would be my guess.

Sounds about right to me then!

yep 13.7 at 99 mph my buddy is a damn good driver and so am I the reason he lost is because it's an mustang, to give back some credit I believe the new ones are hot garbage it seems like ford went backwards in making these, while the 80's camaro was heavier with less power and the fords were lighter with more power. now the fords are heavier with the same power and chevy are a little bit lighter with alot more power....

OK THAT WAS NOT A STOCK MUSTANG HE HAD HEADERS, FULL EXHAUST DIABLO TUNE, THROTTLE BODY AND PULLEYS

a 350tpi w/ 2500 stall/3.42/373..and ET streets will have a LX 5.0 t5

Don't waste your time on a cam swap or a race against a 5.0 GT. I'm a big camaro guy and hate mustangs as much as anyone. But that tpi setup gm put on those 350 only breathes enough to make power to about 4800 rpm's. If you want to go fast put on a stealth ram. What you have is the best truck motor gm ever built if they would have stuck it in a truck. Lots of low end torque good for smokey burnouts, but little horsepower, bad for drag racing. I sure hate it because those were some sweet looking cars.

A stock tpi 350 didint go 13.7 in a stock fbody.........no way.......no how.... theres either bolt ons or stuff was taken out of the car to make it lighter.... A stock lt1 with sticky tires and a good driver could get 13.7

WANA03SS WELL IT'S NOT STOCK IT HAS THE EDELBROCK HEADERS N10 EXHAUST WITHOUT THE CATS FLOWMASTER SINGLE IN AND OUT 40 SERIES MUFFLER PULLEYS AND A CHIPTRUST ME ITS FAST AS HELL YOU CLOSE TO ME IF YOU WANT YOU AN COME CHECK IT OUT AND i'M ABOUT TO START DOING THE SUSPENION. ONE DAY WHEN WE GO TO THE TRACK I'LL LET YOU AND YOU CAN TAKE IT DOWN THERE....

OH YEAH LT1'S ON A TIRE IS STILL NO MATCH FOR THIS CAR I RACED ONE HAD BOLT ON'S ON IT AND I STILL BEAT BY OVER AN CAR. LS1'S ARE TRICKY SOMETIMES I CAN BEAT THEM OTHER TIMES I CANTALL DEPENDS ON THE DRIVER CHECK OUT THESE LINKS AND ANY NEW MUSTANG EXCEPT COBRA'S ARE EASY GAS MONEY I CALL THEM

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/9...-02_190226.htm


http://videos.streetfire.net/video/8...-01_160473.htm

SICK... Id love to head up to the track with ya someday,,, I recently picked up a 94 lt1 m6 with a cai and catback,,I want to get it down the track to see if I can get into the 13s with some sticky tires..... Im no driver but itll be fun anyway.

13s should be no problem for an LT1 with drag radials. my girlfriends 94' Formula went 14.0 at 100mph completely bone stock with her driving. the car was an auto with 120k on the clock. with CAI and a set of DRs, the ET dropped to a 13.7... again with her driving

I can't believed I talked this much smack on a third gen board about tpi 350's a nobody defended them. I guess it proves what I was saying. They really are a truck motor in disguise.

That's because if you're into going fast TPI is a f'ing turd along with most stock parts from the 1980's.

Let the truth be told! It's hard to beat a Holley Double Pumper.
Codename 47, How fast is that 406? That is a good street bracket setup.

yeah that may be true but it's hard to beat me check the link I provided before

not all foxbody 5.0L are that fast....

in my old 95 trans am m6 car it took down a lot of stock to mild cars....

that being said all my old car had was a CAI and me drving(driver mod lol)

one night i did run into a opposing 1992 lx 5.0L/m5 car that ran door to door with me...and i was dumbfounded why he didnt blow me off the road.

We were sitting at a light when i hear a ungodly loud whining coming from to the light next to me. I look over and see a black mustang pull up next to me and he smiles and flips me off. I procede to open the e-cutout and rev up back to him and smile(knowing im gonna lose). We take off from the first light and its apparent he got the traction out of the hole and gets me by 1 car lenght to 90mph.

i then found out why my bone stock lt1/m6/3.42 car ran door to door with a foxbody

CLIFFS:Lt1/m6 runs door to door with jury rigged procharged foxbody

Now, we get the next light and he asks me if im spraying like mad and i tell him bone stock. He laughs and asks if i want another shot at him. I say yes and we procede to make another run and this time we run exactly door to door to 110mph. We end up pulling to local pizza place and talk about the races and end up agreeing to open our hoods to each other. Frist he opens my hood to see the moroso CAI and nothing esle. Then, i open his to see a procharger jury rigged on and using household silver dryer vent from procharger to throttle body.

I saw yalll were talkin about the SLO's and i hate those damn cars there pieces of ****. I beat a 5 speed SHO just the other day in my 98 buick regal with just a cold air intake on it. Also my mom has a 94 Impala SS with a K&N and a chip and she kiks the **** out of an SHO with an exhaust, cam, throttle body and i think hes runin some kind of drag radial. THere turds, the only thing worse then a ***** is a pimpled face fagot in a mustang.

Actually, I think those videos go a long way to proving davtracy's point. Looks to me like every car you race starts to walk you down on the top end, they just end up running out of time. If that pewter T/A could have actually launched right(looks like he bogged it down bad) he probably would've beaten you by a couple of cars.

No offense buddy, but when you're racing stock 13 second cars I would guess your hard to beat.

I guess I finally struck a nerve! If I have what I call a fast street car and all I can beat are near stock 5.0 mustangs, lt1's, and maybe (sounds like that one is not sure) an occassional ls1 I think I would trade it in for a honda or soemthing. Beating an ls1 is no big deal for a hot street small block. I have had 350's that would pull 20 inches of vaccuum (sucking through a holley carb by the way) that could walk on and ls1 SS by 1 to 2 cars in the quarter. Sorry guys, but I'm just not that impressed. It does look like you have a pretty quick street car though. By the way I have never been beaten by an lt1 with bolt ons.

location? your 13.7 car would be easy kill

I just looked at that link and it appeared to me that a modded tpi just got beaten by a stock ls1 TA. What was it I was supposed to be looking at? Those tpi cars can run, but not with the stock runners. Chevy built that setup to be a tire burner (and they do that well). They are not runners. Look up the old literature on the L98 third gens. When pitted against the 5.0's they lost. As I stated earlier, put a stealth ram on it, let it breath and it will run. Holleys are cheaper and they win races (street and strip) every night. I wasn't trying to start a fight, I think the tpi's are great drivers, but I won 't be caught at a Friday night Ford Chevy grudge match in one. I go to represent, and I do it with a carb and single plain.

thats good for a lt1 with DRs and cai.... the fastest Ive ever heard of a bone stock lt1 without DRs going was 13.8 and 14.0 is avg, so that formula was running pretty good with 120 on it...... the real test is how she wouldve done with an M6 in there instead of the auto..

meh ive went 13.6 on street kuhmo supra tires...245mm wide also

i sold it to my buddy and its still around...

but yah....throw dr's on a lt1/m6 and it can go 13.2(ill have to get buddies slips)

huh?

Mine 96 WS6 went 13.50 bone stock. That was the only time it went to the track that way in 96. Fastest I've seen/heard was a 93 Pace Car went 13.4 and that was an A4. That was in late 94 or early 95, can't remember the date.

There have a lot of cars doing better than 13.8. 13.8-14.1 is the average. Obviously, some are higher and some are lower.

Ive read alot of articles and threads on stock LT1s and 1/4 times,,,,,here, cz28,ls1tech and ls1/lt1... and I havent seen anything close to 13.5 without mods or tires,,,,, was it a ram air? either way 13.5 is a really really nice time for a bone stock LT1.

yeah that may be true but a win is a win and he told me he just payed like 20 something thousand for that car and my car cost a couple of grand with the work already done to it...

An LS1 might go high 13s, low 14s, but it better be going 106-110 mph at the top end, and spinning out of the hole. An LT1 car should be going high 13s stock, as should a new edge Mustang. A fox body 5.0 and a 350 L98 car should both be in the mid 14s stock.

Some of these posts are hard to read, damn!

I think it's ok for an 80's car with it's first attempt at fuel injection performance, of course an carb will be faster but sometimes it doesn't start up right away, doesn't get great gas mileage, and a holley is only good for one thing is going fast thats it... but I kind of like my car it gets about 24 miles a gallon, on the highway and if I keep my foot out of it has a/c rides smooth and quiet, I can drive anywhere
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with what kind of car "chicago" and trust me wouldn't be that easy

wouldnt matter anyway, youre too far away

trust me, ive owned several TPI cars over the last decade or so, and know all about their launch capabilities. you might jump out in front of me for a split second, but with your weak 99mph trap speeds, once i shifted into 2nd id blow by you like you were standing still

not bashing you or your car, just calling it like it is

We were on the F-Body mailing lists. Before any of the forums were around. Actually, the guys that started the forums were originally on the F-Body lists

Mine was ram air. The pace car wasn't. Like said previously, 13.8-14.1 were the average. To get that, some were quicker and some were slower. Hence average. But I can tell you that mine was 100% bone stock back in 96 the only time it was at the track.

In Jan 97, I put in 4.10 gears, HPP+, 160 t-stat, and K&N filter. Ran 13.18, still on the stock GSC's. Dynoed the same weekend at 274/307. So it wasn't making anymore than other LT1's with the same mods.

my old 93' 6speed Vette put down 266rwhp/306rwtq... 100% stock with about 80k miles on it. got it to run 13.3 at 107mph at Cecil in March 04'

Not an LT1 fbody, but still shows the potential of the motor. Fastest time ever recorded by a bone stock LT1 car that i know of is a guy named "Mr. Mojo" on www.corvetteforum.com. His bone stock 95' 6speed Vette ran 13.0 at 108mph. very impressive