Quote: Originally Posted by 89IrocZ350TPI You beat ls1 cars in your 305? hehehe. Is it supercharged? On another note my full bolt on l98 would run side by side my stock ls1 until about 75 mph. After that it was game over. From a roll it wouldnt even be close. tpi has one place and thats at low rpms. Yes, Supercharged, check out my F-Quick page in my sig. Yes, Thats my point, until 75+mph its a Thirdgens race. Most steet racing were im from goes from a stop to about 60-80mph. usually a bit shy of an 1/8th mile. By the time the LS1 guy stats pulling the race is over, then comes the r*cer flyby. lol

Thank you, I think

i beat a 08 civic in my 88gta 305 all stock i pulled on it all the way till 115 tehn it passed me cause i was at red line

I beat a Saleen(fox body) in my 87 GTA when it was all stock.

As has been stated already. Its alot to do with who's driving, what year the 2 cars are, options, ect. There are WAY too many variables to say X is better than Y. I personally have owned 5, 3rd gen F body's, and 6 fox body Mustangs. Bone stock, the Mustang is a faster car....in a straight line atleast. The Camaro handles MUCH better though. Any road or track with curves the Z will take the win. The Z's handling is good even by todays standards. I call the Camaro the better overall car. Because of its looks, and handling, and it still wil perform close to the stang going straight. As far as staying stock atleast. It takes very little to make one beat a stock 5.0 too. Going modified, I have to give it to the 5.0 though. Bang for the buck(as far as performance) there is no car that can beat a fox mustang.

Really? Hmmm maybe if I pulled the sterio an got rid of the passenger I could get a mid 13!

WOW! Really? My boss has a saleen fox body, i need to make a statement then lol.

This is true if the ls1 is stock, or only has a few bolt ons. The tpi on my l98 was completely maxed out too.

Yep really. It was all because he couldnt drive though(ofcourse). I could smell his clutch from a mile away.

Figures, my boss's has an upgraded cam, and just exhaust on his saleen. Other than that its stock, I doubt i can beat it.

Back in the day, I had three 5.0 Mustangs. My main 5.0 was bolt-on built, it was an 88 and I knew how to drive it. There was a guy in a white 91-92 5.7 that I never beat. He would get me shortly after the hole and walk on me pretty good.

My buddy just got a new 5.0 mustang with full exhaust. Ill race him with my little 346 and let you know how it goes.

Yeah, the 91-92 cars seemed to be a little quicker than the older ones. I think they gained some HP in 91. Not positive on that. The 86-89 stangs definately dont respond to mods as well as the mass air cars either. Thats usually the first mod they make to them. A mass air conversion. Thats another example of why you can really say which was faster. It really depends on what year/model/options each car has.

Sorry, ran across this thread late. I have an 84 z28 with the l69 305 and a t-5, stock 3.73's. I don't seem to have a problem with the 5.0's. I can't say I totally dominate them but the fact my little 190 hp engine can beat one makes me happy. Now the 4.6's are a different story. That was back before I had my 670 holley, Long tubes, 3 inch exaust, and performer rpm intake. It's not much of a race anymore.

i like this thread lol. all other ones iv been to talking about stangs and camaros, just get overwhelming with damn near EVERYONE saying stock camaros cant hang with stock mustangs. iv smoked fox bodys in my 305 iroc. hell i might have posted in here already lol.

You're right, 4.6's are a whole different story, a very SAD story.

"I have a 96 gt 5 speed. with a bbk cold air intake, trickflow 75 mm throttle body and plentum, npi intake with alum. crossover, underdrive pullies, jet performance chip, steeda short throw shifter, 3.73 gears and 315/35/17 BFG Drag Radial.

60' 2.022
330' 6.029
1/8 9.374 @ 73.70
1000' 12.263
1/4 14.701 @ 92.42"

Stock, they top out at a whole 140 miles per hour, with a drag coefficient of almost .37, and weighing in at over 3,400 pounds.

EDIT: By the way, that's the actual quote from a real Mustang owner, and forum member of http://www.moddedmustangs.com/

Better than my top speed. According to the magazine on here my car tops out at 136. I have no idea personally if my car reaches that due to my spedo only going to 85....sigh

That's weird. The 4.6's around here are all decently modded and I have to admit the are decently fast. Most of them are around lt1 status. I can't believe with those mods you only pull 9.3's. THat's crazy. If I could launch hard I'd be able to match that easily I bet. Unfortunatly I can only run a 9.6 before the LT's and exaust. Stupid t-5 can't handle radials or 3K launches.

......as with 3rd gens, fox body's,and about every other car. The 4.6 stangs are not created equal. 96 was a bad year....very bad year. On the other hand. If you want to build a 1000 HP mod motor stang, you have a REALLY strong block. The rods, not so much, but your block is about,if not the strongest one out there.

i know my user name is 89454, but i'm still running the stock 305. the only thing i have done to the car is get rid of that bulls*** tbi, and put on an edelbrock 650 carb, and a hei distributor. i raced a 94-95 cobra on the highway from about 50-100 and seriously drove around this car. i was actually just messing with him to see if he'd jump. there's no way that should have happened but i was very pleased with my car. especialy since i've only got $700 in the whole car including getting the car for next to nothing since i traded an 81 ford courier that was basically given to me. in my experience camaros stock for stock beat mustangs everytime

Wow this is a 2 year old thread... and damn man you almost stole my name . On topic The LT1 was the answer to the Mustang they may have been late to to party but they sure as hell crashed it ever since. Aka LS series.

wow thats crazy. it was the first thing that popped in my head, since 454 is my near future plan anyways. i dont know if that cobra was 5.0 or 4.6. i dont keep up with them all that much. but i do know he had nothing for me.

Whenever i had my 305 69,000 miles on it, i raced my buddys 98 mustang GT 4.6 105,000 miles, all stock for stock and he had me a couple of cars. Was probably a v6 tbh if he was even racing with you... especially if your in a 700r4 and 2.73 gears. TBI is the V6 of the 80s. 4th gen V6s will beat TBI 305s. First hand experience. cheers

mine is not tbi anymore. it wasn't a v6 i can tell the difference and he jumped. it could have been a gt with emblems. i actually think something was wrong with it. had a horrible smell, but still he went home pissed and i can brag until the next one beats me. i ran a 92 camaro tbi last week, and i pulled on him like 3 car lengths. kinda makes me wonder if the guy who had my car before me done some internal work.

Hmm if it's not a tbi and a carb you might want to make sure you have a 350 l98 block by chance. And welcome to thirdgen.org the site that will lure you to the ltx ls1 forum and will make you want an ls1 or the little brother lt1. read read read my man you will learn from this gear head paradise.

Just don't go around thinking that you ACTUALLY will beat the next one you run into. The 94 and 95 cobras had around 285 or so HP. The 96+ cobras had 300 HP. Far faster than a mostly stock 305 car. I have driven a 95 cobra with the weaker engine and even that car was very quick for what it was. I'm thinking you beat the driver, not the car...that or it was a GT with cobra emblems which apparently a lot of mustang guys do. Personally I think thats pretty stupid though. Like a sheep in wolves clothing lol.

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i've already checked. i got my hopes up too. i got my big head behind to look at the block. it clearly says 5.0. LT1's are awesome, but i think i'm stuck with the idea of a big block. only because you dont see that at all really where i'm at. plus there easier to come by here.



as for me beating the driver, i was thinking that too. that, or it was a gt with emblems (which either way looks good for the whole camaro vs mustang battle). i agree with you. i think thats stupid. i'm actually the other way. i'm gonna keep my rs stuff and stick the big block in and try to keep it quiet to go for that sleeper effect.

Big blocks are sweet. I personally wouldn't do one just because of how heavy they are but they do MOVE with some work. Would be a great motor for drag racing. Either way, good luck with whatever you decide to do with the car!

yea i know they're heavier. i plan to do some work with that and lighten it up some. but thanks

Vote to the Foxbody...

Isn't the 5.0 stang aslo considered a fox body? I've just heard it called that before.

yes it is. ours are mostly jus refered to as third gen

hmmm.

1982-1993 is foxbody mustang, 94-98 is sn95, 99-04 is new edge 05 up is s197
Also called F-body not fox body for the camaro

Lulz... I was going to a Foxbody or an F-Body and I came across a Formula Firebird rotting in literally a forest so I picked it... When I hear 5.0 Stang Foxbody comes to mind... In my honest opinion, SN95s, S197s(4.6), they're all "just there" and don't deserve the "5.0" name... Though the Mustangs with the 5.0 Modular motor are ingenious and will smoke a Camaro any day... I've always loved F-Bodies but I may be a teeny bit biased, just the Foxbody is synonymous to bolt-on 600+horsepower beast that the Camaro/Firebird isn't...

That is cause 94-95 are the only 5.0 in that body style and then they go to a 4.6. btw stock block 5.0's are good to 400-450. they are only fast cause they are light not cause you can 'bolt on' horsepower. no car you can do bolt ones and do that. also the 4.6 is a way better and advanced engine. they can make awesome power. It's also EASIER to make power with the camaro/firebird cause of the more cubic inches.

Yeah, I know that... (To the first part.) The 4.6, is a engine I absolutely hate, Out of curiosity, how can you declare a 305 GM engine to be better than a 302 Ford engine as having "more cubic inches, thus faster?" Yeah, technically the 5.0 Ford engine is a 4.9 if you really want to get into details but no way in hell it makes a 305 any better. I don't like the 305 much either... (As I own a 305 equipped vehicle)

I don't really expect much support for posting this Ford love on a GM fan page but that's just my honest opinion, not sound logic, merely my opinion like many others.

I didn't say the 305 was better or worse I'm just saying at the SAME weight in the same car the one with more cubic inches always wins and I was directly referring to the 305 chevy had the 350 also and fords biggest was the 302 which is fine in a car THAT weight. The camaro is heavier and needed the bigger inches. I'm just saying mod for mod at the same weight in the same car the bugger cubic inch wins and yes the 4.6 is a wonderful engine. I know of a twin turbo 2v gt that makes 1200 rwhp and is a street car. He also has a 04 cobra making 1300 with a big single turbo.


And as for this being a chevy site. I drive a chevy yes. But I work for a mustang shop that has built some fast cars. We also hold world records in extreme street and efi rengade classes :thumb:

SN95's and S197's are not called 5.0's in the first place....because they aren't 5.0's. And in all honesty, the old 5.0 is a crap motor. Sure, throw some GT40 heads and intake on and you can be happy with 275 HP for the rest of your life, but I sure wouldn't be happy with that. They blow up at 500HP max because they have a weak block. You could do a 331 or 347 stroker...but then your just limited again by the junk block. I had a 2008 GT. Intake and exhaust (not even headers) I put down 284 RWHP and 305 RWTQ. Hardly a junk motor compared to the old 5.0. Ran a 13.5 at 104 mph with the car on stock 235 tires. Now the new 5.0 stangs...they are a very respectable car. 412 HP stock and respond excellent to mods.

me and my roommate are waiting to get time off at the same time, he has an 86 mustang, short throw, headers, intake, chip, and i got my 86 camaro 350 rpm airgap 600 edel, headers, distributer, clutch, short throw.... i think should be a good race, if i didnt have a dying lifter id probably get arrested for rape lol

I'm pretty sure your thinking of the Cobra R which was basically for track use only and had the 351 in it. The regular cobra had a slightly warmed over 5.0 with 240 HP and still got killed by the lt1's of the day and with a few small tweaks and mods an L98 will kill one too.

I wasn't thinking of a cobra R....I just figured the 5.0 cobras had a little more than that, but I'm not an expert on them so I guess I estimated a little high lol. And in all honesty, the stock one I drove felt MUCH faster than even an L98 F body. Don't know why. I ussually have a pretty good butt dyno. Maybe it's the fact that it's a stick, the engine revs much higher, and the gearing combo all working together.

Ford sucked at rating and making HP back in those days and even had to recall cobras at one point for not putting out the HP they said it would. I've been in a brand new 95 cobra 5.0 and it sounded better, but just was not that fast compared to the 95 lt1 Z28 and Trans Am. My dad was shopping for a new car in 95 and I got to ride in a little of everything over the process, so I have a pretty good idea of what was what back then, especially in the whole mustang vs. F body debate. My GTA would kill a stock or even mildly modded cobra 5.0 and all I have is typical bolt ons more or less. Plus my 91 is rated for the same HP and more torque as i recall stock as a 95 cobra.

The 94-95 cobra was rated a 14.0 1/4 mile and I'm sure with better tires it would break into the high 13's with no problems. Technically, you would need more than a few boltons to run that time in an auto L98 car. Whats done to your GTA to be able to kill a stock or mildly modded cobra?

I think the biggest downfall to the L98 cars was the crap auto they all came with. Replace it with a tremec 5 speed or T56 and I think it would add quite a bit of performance, even without touching the motor.

Actually the 94-95 cobra was mid 14s just for correction maybe low 14s with a good driver. I could see a l98 beating that pretty easy even in an auto and 3.23 gears.

I don't believe the times posted in that list all the time, some of them seem inaccurate. If you look at the newer cobras where it went to 305 hp over 240, you'll see they still ran the same 14 flat. Does that make any sense to you?
I also found a thread about dyno results for them and they seem to make between 210-230 WHP stock in the 94-95 cobra and then you have to consider factors in all those different results like the weather and the dyno itself. Chances are it is making the 240 it was rated for and not underrated.
My GTA was rated for 240 HP and 345 lbs. ft tq. from the factory, which is the same HP and 60 more lbs. ft. tq. than the cobra 5.0. It now has the following performance mods:

Accel/Lingenfelter SuperRam intake
24 lb Bosch design III injectors
Accel 58 MM throttle body
Adjustable fuel pressure regulator
PCMforLESS tuned chip
160 degree thermostat
Hedman headers
Hedman Y pipe
Flowmaster 80 series muffler
Milodon high flow water pump
March underdrive pulleys
Goodyear hi miler hoses
EGR deleted
AIR pump deleted
Cats deleted
TB coolant bypass
NGK G power plugs
Taylor 8MM wires
Hypertech cap and rotor
Hypertech 53K volt coil
K&N air filter

Agreed.

Didn't say they were... I guess it seemed like I did so understandable confusion. GT40 heads and intake are not worth it, junkyard parts. AFR 165s are just fine. You seem to forget about the 351W? How bout a" Clevor"? I'm a huge fricken 302 fanboy I guess though. Take it over a 351W or 305 anyway. *coughs* *Points at sig*

Ah ****, part of this is directed to someone else but I only get on at like one am, so too damn tired and lazy to really read...

Well I know from experience that my old engine setup in my TA made 230 RWHP with a 5 speed and 3.23's and I ran a 14.0 at between 96-98 mph. That was with a pretty crummy launch too and a 95 mustang cobra is right around the same power and weight as my car.

I also would not call your setup just bolt ons because of the superram intake. Taking off the TPI makes a world difference on an L98, and after seeing your mods it seems you would beat a stock cobra rather easily. I still don't think it would be very close if it was just an air intake, header, exhaust (etc) L98. Maybe off a dig but they just choke out so bad up top with the stock TPI that I think the cobra would pull ahead.

The 351 based engines are excellent motors....I was only reffering to the 5.0 based block. I am just not very impressed with the stock block 5.0 motors and they all seem to make crap for HP (at least in my group of freinds). Most I have ever seen out of a 302 based motor was a freinds cobra with a 347 stroker, trick flow heads, intake, cam...fully port matched. And he put down 400 RWHP with 10.5:1 comp on that thing. For all the thousands of dollars he spent on it, he should have made MUCH more power.

If you like the 5.0's so much, a freind of mine has one he'd sell for cheap out of a 93 fox body. The car is getting an LSx transplant as we speak.