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I can give credit to a Supra as it's considered a real sports car. But I would rather push a Ford Mustang than drive a import sports car. Plus I think this would be a better video considering this is a American Car Club Forum!
I can give credit to a Supra as it's considered a real sports car. But I would rather push a Ford Mustang than drive a import sports car. Plus I think this would be a better video considering this is a American Car Club Forum!
wow, cant even appreciate a Honda that would more than likely destroy 99.9% of the thirdgens out there?
That car is the definition of anti-rice
Wow!
you must have been inhaling to much exhaust! As I said before anyone can make a car fast even a go-cart. Further more as I stated in a earlier post; stock third gen vs stock honda of the same year whats faster?
My first car was an 1987 prelude si with a b18 in it it was fast but there was a lot more to be puled out of that motor so i put in an h22 turbo charged it to my advantage my dad was a mechinest at edlebrock yes i cant spell it but you get my drift and he brought it to the facility and they did the install and tuning for free because they needed a test car al i had to do was by the non edlbrock parts and write feed back after i finished up the total costs were just over a few grand and 660whp was what i got i lved that car all the way up to when i got it imponded and crushed it looked like **** but i would smash anything fake or semi built that pulled up like stupid litle acura integras and crxs and hatch or my uncles 99 saleen cobra supercharged 5.3l he wouldent talk to me for 6 months and wouldnt pay the 1000 he bet me for a year thats my just for the record my camaro is an 87 too
Probably 85-90% of thirdgens are slow 305 cars. Hondas would give them a run for there money. S2000 is faster....honda civic SI would be a good run, the integra type r and rsx would give a 305 car a run for there money.
15's for a V8 'muscle' car....pathetic. 15's for a civic that gets double the mileage... not all that bad. How can a car enthusiast not appreciate that? Even comparing those late 80's models.. 112 or so hp from a 1.6 liter to an astonishing 230 hp for a 5.7L V8... come on..thats a joke. Those little motors are very impressive and in a car that light, they are a good race
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but for the price of a s2ooo or supra you could build a faster thirdgen with the money they saved.
For a supra maybe, for a S2000, well maybe as well... Compare the cost tho, what were those cars going for new.... thats how you got to look out it. COmpare a 20 yr old car that doesnt keep value to a less than 10 year old car that does...ofcourse there is going to be a difference. The supra is in a class of its own. Its bringing ridiculous prices already as its one the best cars ever made dollar for dollar. Those cars are going to bring stupid money like the old 60's muscle cars, just give it time.
But to make a thirdgen as fast as that CFT S2000?? you better have some coin. The cost wouldnt really be all that much different between the two in the end
Every time i see a automatic 4 banger i point and laugh because thay make alot of noise and no go theres a kid at my school with a 92 integra with a automatic and fart blaster i blow his doors of and the only mods n my camaro are summit racing injectors hes got the hole deal intake airfilter fart blaster and all he does is walk around and talk sh!! he sez oo he cheated oo he runs nos ooo his motor is biult on the inside crud my camaro is an 2.8 auto still smash i love haters if they didnt exist no one would no me any one want to give away a t5 or especialy t56 autos are power robers
To be fair, compare a mid 80s civic to a mid 80s third gen. Thats a different story. The new hondas benefit from almost 30 years of modern engineering.
I dont drive my Firebird because its fast, or even better then the new cars. They have traction control, ABS, more than one airbag, better brakes, nicer interiors, better stereos, the list goes on. And Ill continue to drive my 19 year old Firebird. Its what I wanted when I was learning to drive. Plus, for all their nice little gizmos, new cars look like a japanese cartoon. Even the new Camaro. They dont make cars with lines like mine anymore. They all look pretty much the same.
Maybe Im showing my age. But these cars were built for my generation. If you think they are lame, thank the government. But for the cost of a new, fully loaded, flavor of the month import, I can build my car how I want. So I guess the question is:
Can hondas be as cool as 3rd gens? And the answer is never.
To be fair, compare a mid 80s civic to a mid 80s third gen. Thats a different story. The new hondas benefit from almost 30 years of modern engineering.
I dont drive my Firebird because its fast, or even better then the new cars. They have traction control, ABS, more than one airbag, better brakes, nicer interiors, better stereos, the list goes on. And Ill continue to drive my 19 year old Firebird. Its what I wanted when I was learning to drive. Plus, for all their nice little gizmos, new cars look like a japanese cartoon. Even the new Camaro. They dont make cars with lines like mine anymore. They all look pretty much the same.
Maybe Im showing my age. But these cars were built for my generation. If you think they are lame, thank the government. But for the cost of a new, fully loaded, flavor of the month import, I can build my car how I want. So I guess the question is:
Can hondas be as cool as 3rd gens? And the answer is never.
Can hondas be as cool as 3rd gens? And the answer is never
This i can agree on
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To be fair, compare a mid 80s civic to a mid 80s third gen. Thats a different story. The new hondas benefit from almost 30 years of modern engineering.
I was. Those late 80's hondas can run on par with alot of the 305 thirdgens 15-16 second cars either way
I was. Those late 80's hondas can run on par with alot of the 305 thirdgens 15-16 second cars either way
Just out of curiosity why are 305 cars spoken of more on this site than the more powerful 350? I enjoy reading the articles & threads but sometimes I feel like there is more info & discussion on the 305 slow motor vs. the better 350. Anyone else feel this way?
I was. Those late 80's hondas can run on par with alot of the 305 thirdgens 15-16 second cars either way
ive seen stock 80's hondas run 17's at best, but to be fair they werent in really nice condition probably not well taken care of
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Just out of curiosity why are 305 cars spoken of more on this site than the more powerful 350? I enjoy reading the articles & threads but sometimes I feel like there is more info & discussion on the 305 slow motor vs. the better 350. Anyone else feel this way?
the 350 is brought up any time somebody wants to do anything to a 305, its always "why waste money on a slow motor" but there are reasons to build a 305
the reason you hear 305 more is because in threads like these any other car of the 80's/early 90's would barely hang with a 350 stock, and a modded 350 would be that much harder to catch
so in turn when someone says "can a honda be fast" the response is, if its racing a 305 maybe, but not a 350
Just out of curiosity why are 305 cars spoken of more on this site than the more powerful 350? I enjoy reading the articles & threads but sometimes I feel like there is more info & discussion on the 305 slow motor vs. the better 350. Anyone else feel this way?
Yes. Its pretty bad, but it wouldnt be as easy a comparison if they used the 350. The 305 was the most popular, and sold alot more than the 350s. But there was a gas crunch. Plus the cost of a new 350 powered nicely optioned 3rd gen was getting pretty high for the times.
And as much as I hate my L03s lack of power, its a rock solid engine. I have never had another engine so dependable. Try running that little aluminum 4 cyl at boiling for 2 hrs like I just had to do to my 305. It just takes it, and goes on.
ive seen stock 80's hondas run 17's at best, but to be fair they werent in really nice condition probably not well taken care of
the 350 is brought up any time somebody wants to do anything to a 305, its always "why waste money on a slow motor" but there are reasons to build a 305
the reason you hear 305 more is because in threads like these any other car of the 80's/early 90's would barely hang with a 350 stock, and a modded 350 would be that much harder to catch
so in turn when someone says "can a honda be fast" the response is, if its racing a 305 maybe, but not a 350
Alright, I see some of that myself. I see what you're talking about. I just figured it was because the 350 in the late 80's wasn't around very long before the 90's hit & then on top of it there aren't alot of 350 cars left around. At least none that are the original motor with matching numbers.
To be fair, compare a mid 80s civic to a mid 80s third gen. Thats a different story. The new hondas benefit from almost 30 years of modern engineering.
I dont drive my Firebird because its fast, or even better then the new cars. They have traction control, ABS, more than one airbag, better brakes, nicer interiors, better stereos, the list goes on. And Ill continue to drive my 19 year old Firebird. Its what I wanted when I was learning to drive. Plus, for all their nice little gizmos, new cars look like a japanese cartoon. Even the new Camaro. They dont make cars with lines like mine anymore. They all look pretty much the same.
Maybe Im showing my age. But these cars were built for my generation. If you think they are lame, thank the government. But for the cost of a new, fully loaded, flavor of the month import, I can build my car how I want. So I guess the question is:
Can hondas be as cool as 3rd gens? And the answer is never.
well personally, i think my 305 is pretty damn fast for a stock car. ive never got to drive anything with a 350, but until my z28 started having problems i haven't really found anything that could keep up. I think 305's are talked about more because most only came stock with a 305 anyways didn't they? theyre a little more common i guess.
well personally, i think my 305 is pretty damn fast for a stock car. ive never got to drive anything with a 350, but until my z28 started having problems i haven't really found anything that could keep up. I think 305's are talked about more because most only came stock with a 305 anyways didn't they? theyre a little more common i guess.
Yeah, I think so too. Same with V6 motors. V6 engines are standard for most folks.
I can give credit to a Supra as it's considered a real sports car. But I would rather push a Ford Mustang than drive a import sports car. Plus I think this would be a better video considering this is a American Car Club Forum!
lol no no, not a push mower, a rider lol, although those Honda mowers are pretty dag on quick lol, we got some that are fast enough to make you **** yer pants
well personally, i think my 305 is pretty damn fast for a stock car. ive never got to drive anything with a 350, but until my z28 started having problems i haven't really found anything that could keep up. I think 305's are talked about more because most only came stock with a 305 anyways didn't they? theyre a little more common i guess.
i agree, for the price you can get one(obviously i have the 305 TBI) i paid $500 for my car and it runs mid 16's, thats pretty good for an all stock TBI compared to what else you can get in the $500-$1500 price range
lol no no, not a push mower, a rider lol, although those Honda mowers are pretty dag on quick lol, we got some that are fast enough to make you **** yer pants
lol no no, not a push mower, a rider lol, although those Honda mowers are pretty dag on quick lol, we got some that are fast enough to make you **** yer pants
This thread really cracks me up. I'm a Camaro owner and an Acura owner (CL Type S). The cars were designed for different reasons. The Camaro was built as an inexpensive sports car, and for the 80's it filled that role fine. The Acura was built as a quick touring daily driver, and is faster than 80% of the third gens out there. And you know what, stock for stock the Acura is so much more satisfying to drive than the Camaro. Despite being 200lbs heavier its lighter on its feet, has better steering and braking feel, and has a quicker revving engine. Some of that is 15 years of technology and some of it is build philosophy. With that said, I've been trying to make the Camaro drive like the Acura on steroids for the last few years. Its coming along.
The other hysterical part is most newer Hondas were designed and built in the US. Whereas the new Camaro is built in Canada and partially designed in Australia. Does that make Hondas more American than the Camaro? The thought cracks me up.
Stock 1991 third gen (305 or 350) vs stock 1991 Honda NSX? The NSX has no turbo or other power adders, only a 3.0L V6 motor.
If your going to exclude price, and availability, and include a "supercar" then we have to go and include the 91 Firebird Firehawk. And we can include all GM products which also brings the Corvette, and the (91)ZR1 into play. Its not apples to apples. But neither was comparing a Honda to a 3rd gen either.
They werent built to be compared, or to even compete in the same market.
If your going to exclude price, and availability, and include a "supercar" then we have to go and include the 91 Firebird Firehawk. And we can include all GM products which also brings the Corvette, and the (91)ZR1 into play. Its not apples to apples. But neither was comparing a Honda to a 3rd gen either.
They werent built to be compared, or to even compete in the same market.
this is a 3rd gen board, not a Corvette board. the title of the thread is can hondas REALLY be fast? The answer is yes, especially when compared to 3rd gens (or Corvette's of the day).
Firehawks and NSX's did the 1/4 mile in ~13.2, both had top speeds of over 160 mph, skid pad over .90g's and 25+mpg and street legal in all 50 states. A '91 NSX is even cheaper than a Firehawk now.
Who cares what market they were meant to compete in? We are comparing them. None of the Honda's previously mentioned were ever meant to compare against a 3rd gen.
I'm actually back in the market for a 3rd gen because i like the performance per dollar, the fun to drive factor, and just pure love of them for what they are.
NSX's (and other Hondas) are also fun cars and can be made very fast for cheap as well. It's very easy to drop 300-400 lbs and add 30-40hp to an NSX which equals low-mid 12's in the 1/4 and even better handling/braking. It's just a different type of speed (high rpm and 200lb-ft of torque that goes from 2000rpm-8000rpm).
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Good looking, great handling car. However, it was always underpowered for its price-tag...
This was always the criticism of an NSX. Because of the weight, the power was sufficient until the early 2000's. Then they bumped the HP to 290 by increasing from 3.0L to 3.2L. They improved the gearing by adding a 6spd as well (both changes done in 1997). The thing about an NSX is it is a very balanced car which makes for an excellent track car. No one area outshines the other (power, braking, handling). I agree they are $$$ (I sold mine because of this economy...) but this thread isn't about $$$.
Who cares what market they were meant to compete in? We are comparing them.
Thats my point. They arent even close to the same thing. It just seems theres always a rush of people ready to compare a lowly 3rd gen against something totally irrelevant. An NSX?
Sorry, but if you can call that a Honda, and compare it, then I can bring in the Firehawk.
And I already said Hondas could be fast.
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After further study, the Firehawk isnt a fair comparison either.
Firehawk; $52k (new) , 0-60 in 4.5 sec, 1/4 in 13.2 @ 107, 160 top speed, .92 skid
NSX; $85k (new), 0-60 5.8 sec, 1/4 in 14.0, 160 top speed. Cant find the skid pad
A $30k difference, and slower. Im not a hater and I like the NSX. But Ill stick to 3rd gens. A few upgrades, and its perfect. And I have less than $5k in it.
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Thats my point. They arent even close to the same thing. It just seems theres always a rush of people ready to compare a lowly 3rd gen against something totally irrelevant. An NSX?
Sorry, but if you can call that a Honda, and compare it, then I can bring in the Firehawk.
And I already said Hondas could be fast.
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After further study, the Firehawk isnt a fair comparison either.
Firehawk; $52k (new) , 0-60 in 4.5 sec, 1/4 in 13.2 @ 107, 160 top speed, .92 skid
NSX; $85k (new), 0-60 5.8 sec, 1/4 in 14.0, 160 top speed. Cant find the skid pad
A $30k difference, and slower. Im not a hater and I like the NSX. But Ill stick to 3rd gens. A few upgrades, and its perfect. And I have less than $5k in it.
Feel like i'm put in a corner to defend an NSX, lol.
I think you found numbers for an automatic NSX that only came with 252hp and worse gearing than a 700R4. They are also not a drag car but are a track car made for balance. Some NSX's are running 12.8 sec 1/4 mile times from the factory and a few special JGTC ones (similar concept to the Firehawk as "low volume and made for people who will race them") are much quicker.
They were also $60k in 1991, the cost for a new one went from $60k in 1991 to $85k in 2006 when they stopped production.
NSX's are only Acuras in the USA & Canada. Everywhere else in the world they are Hondas. Engine plates and most logos on them are Honda. Only the airbag, radio, front and rear emblems have Acura on them.
Personally I am very excited about getting into another 3rd gen in the future. I cannot believe how low they are priced even for what I would consider very nice examples. I think the market and love for these cars will grow as they start to show up at places like Barrett Jackson, etc.
I think we all agree Hondas (or just about any other car) can be made really fast on a track or on the drag strip. Bang for the buck is another question entirely. I think Honda's do well in that category but it's hard to beat a 3rd gen or a fox-body Mustang that can be made pretty fast for around $5k total.
some of the dumbest people alive in this thread. people need to get their heads out oif their *******s. The thread sai can hondas really be fast???? did it say can a stock 80s honda keep up witgh a stock 80s camaro? no
people need to realize your thirdgen aint the greatest thing out there. stop having insecurity issues and have to find some way to make your thirdgen sound awesome.
and for the OP yes hondas can actually be fast
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Feel like i'm put in a corner to defend an NSX, lol.
Personally I am very excited about getting into another 3rd gen in the future. I cannot believe how low they are priced even for what I would consider very nice examples. I think the market and love for these cars will grow as they start to show up at places like Barrett Jackson, etc.
I think we all agree Hondas (or just about any other car) can be made really fast on a track or on the drag strip. Bang for the buck is another question entirely. I think Honda's do well in that category but it's hard to beat a 3rd gen or a fox-body Mustang that can be made pretty fast for around $5k total.
Yep. The market is good right now for 3rd gens. Ive even tossed around the idea of getting another one for another project. And thats one of the reasons I like them. Its easy to get one thats in good shape, and with money well spent, they can be stupid fast.
As for the arguments, and "stupidity", I guess its all in the perspective. Kowboy, you have a car that has hella power. There are even videos of the carnage. Im sure not too many people talk **** about that car. And if they do they are just going to get their asses handed to them.
On the other hand, my experience on the matter leans the other way. Ive even been in an f-body club that would rather go on a cruise with a couple neons, and hondas, that to hang with a bunch of lowly 3rd gens. And heaven help you if you like another domestic brand.
My opinion on imports is based around the attitude, and actions of the general owners in my area. Maybe in Florida its different, and they arent a bunch of douchebags, but Im not in Florida. I can agree the Japanese make very nice cars. And as far as Im concerned they make the best motorcycles.
But as for giving respect, and being cool, Ive tried. It doesnt work, and it never goes both ways.
So, yes. Hondas can be fast. Yes they are typically faster than a stock 305 auto 3rd gen. It isnt an insecurity. Its a difference of opinion. If I thought Honda made a better car, Id own one.
Oh yea? Well your turd gen will never be able to beat my brothers/wives/cousins/freind's SR-71, 'specally after I getz teh bigger tarbos and nawz! I be all blastin past vin deisel chillin-yo.
And you all will crash cuz of "lol cant turn murrican car"
Its all about horsepowa to weight to neon lights to stickers to noise to subwoofas bro-dog-homie-yo
Oh yea? Well your turd gen will never be able to beat my brothers/wives/cousins/freind's SR-71, 'specally after I getz teh bigger tarbos and nawz! I be all blastin past vin deisel chillin-yo.
And you all will crash cuz of "lol cant turn murrican car"
Its all about horsepowa to weight to neon lights to stickers to noise to subwoofas bro-dog-homie-yo
lol, i think with that statement, Vtec just kicked in YO!
And it is/was a valid criticism. Even 290HP seems weak for an $70K Japanese car when its more common/lower-priced rivals were at 300+HP for the same time period. I don't dispute that the NSX is a great car and by all accounts awesome on the track, but perception is everything. When Joe Sixpack's new 1994 Z28 can accelerate as fast as your new NSX for $50K less, it tends to diminish an otherwise excellent product. It gets worse at the same price point when you consider that ZR1s and Vipers of that era were toting 400+HP.
Again, good-looking and great-handling car and fairly bullet-proof from what I understand...
For all of you NSX lovers out there. Here is a video of a stock NSX beating up on E46 M3 CSL, 996 911 Turbo, 360 Modena, Gallardo, and Murciélago. Its amazing what 280hp can do in the right package.
For all of you NSX lovers out there. Here is a video of a stock NSX beating up on E46 M3 CSL, 996 911 Turbo, 360 Modena, Gallardo, and Murciélago. Its amazing what 280hp can do in the right package.
14psi, pump gas street tune 
just for the record my camaro is an 87 too 
