383firebird

Honestly I thought people on this site were better than make and model bashing. If you want to bash a cocky person fine, but bashing the 5.0's I think is just dumb. No I don't own one and never have, but its hard to ignore their track record for whooping up on third gens, and damn near everything else.

SKELITOR117

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I don't think anyone is bashing 5.0s. If you want to see some model bashing I can direct you to some properly ridiculous threads. And I don't remember seeing a whole lot of 5.0s on the track. Lots of em on the strip, but not on the track. Seen lots of thirdgens on the track though.

383firebird

To me the strip is the track. No I don't want to see any threads that argue make and model. For me the title of this thread said it all.

383firebird

I am going out on a limb and assuming we are talking drag racing. Here over half the cars at the local drag strip are 79-92 fox bodies.

robertfrank

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I found this article interesting. They took a bone stock 5th Gen and a bone stock 2013 5.0 and made mod for mod runs with them. even with basic bolt ons these cars run damn near neck and neck with each other. if they pulled out even 300lbs out of the New Camaro it would pull away from the Stang quite easily due to more torque production. They didn't mention what was done as far as tuning goes but none the less both cars are impressive.

http://www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/en...-on-throwdown/

BlackenedBird

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This thread has gotten WAY off topic. It started as a discussion about Chevy 305s, not Ford 302s.

Let's get back to topic & stop talking about Mustangs.

383firebird

pretty sure it started out as a guy saying he is tired of the 5.0 mustangs. Start at the beginning.

BlackenedBird

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It was a mistake (ever heard of those?) on my part, thinking it was the thread about the Chevy 305s being **** on but you don't hafta be a smart *** telling me to "Start at the beginning." If YOU had looked first before saying that part, you would see the I was the 2nd post. So actually.....I did very much "start at the beginning"

ZONES89RS

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Actually he was pretty civil letting you know his opinion. You seem pissed for nothing.

BlackenedBird

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2 things.....

Funny that he thought I hadn't read anything, yet I was the Second post (first reply) to this entire thread.
Funnier that you felt the need to post to defend him.

But I'm not going to get into a pointless internet pissing war. Unsubscribing to not to read junk posts!

ZONES89RS

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No, was just funny you responded as if he got in your feelings. Just saying, you seemed pretty offended for pretty much no reason. The reaction was pretty serious. Lulz

383firebird

I thought his reaction was just a litte extreme too. Despite his last post I got the impression an internet pissing match is exactly what he wanted, and wasn't going to go there. More on topic, I wish I had a 5.0 liter mustang kill story. I run high 10's and can barely keep up with the slowest ones at the track I go to.lol

Orr89RocZ

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I dont know what that lsx tv article shows but bolt on new 5.0's walk all up and down the 5th gen ss.

ZONES89RS

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We talking the old Fox cars? Those running away from you? Most...well, all of them i have seen, if they can whoop my truck engine, have allot of money, way more than i, and or are boosted/spraying the snot out of them. That is why i am going to do a 6.0 in a coupe eventually, then LOL at them as i will probably be 9s all motor on 93 octane.

Some did come up close actually, depending on the models, but the stripped down 6 speed 5.0s are 4-500 or more pounds lighter and that is a ton of weight in the performance department.

I have seen tests as such, then others the stang was putting it down. The SS with a auto? Dont get e started on that torque management neutered paperweight.

DeltaElite121

if he's talking about a fox, then most of us had a few tricks up our sleeves. I was building a 408 stroker for my last GT that I had. Outside of the deck height and oil pan, everything else is pretty much the same. You'de never know it was a stroked 351W unless you knew what you were looking at.

Newer 5.0's? Haven't seen too many at the track here; but to be fair - I've missed the past few meet-ups. They seem to be running fairly healthy times, though. Competition is always a good thing in my opinion.

84firebird383

There's still unboosted 5 liters out there?lol.

84firebird383

You wouldnt believe how fast this mustang is, and he drives it eveywhere, including to and from the track. Not to mention he is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQo09...ature=youtu.be

84firebird383

Here's another pair of fox bodies that run at the same track I do .

84firebird383

we do have one pretty fast 85 camaro.

84firebird383

those fox bodies have some type of boost, and the camaro is an NA 400 4 speed, but the mustangs do have the camaro covered by a second or more.

ZONES89RS

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This is how you pull the tires:


This is how you run 9s all motor on 93 octane:


Yes, driven to the track and went on the power tour. Has gone 9.2x since the 9.4 video....

A mustang can be allot of things, but as good at they run, they are still light as hell being a Fox body. I was impressed usually till i found they can be 2400 pound easily, then i lost respect for them pretty much. Heavier cars going just as fast in some cases.

The have 2 advantages that are strong for the usual camaro VS mustang game, 1 is weight, 2 is the way stronger rear ends. 3 for me is you can chop the headers flange and weld LS1 flange and you got headers, LOL. Cheaper than any real third gen swap pieces!

84firebird383

Awesome cars

the209bnr

I'm joining on this, when running right, my 1984 L69 Powered Trans AM has beaten (btw my car is almost all stock except for the exhaust and hi-flo cat)

(I only race against stock vehicles)

1 1980's 5.0 Rust-ang
2 80's Iroc's (A 5.0 and 5.7)
2 Honda B20 Civic Si's (yes I know this and the next car isn't a 5.0 but they put down decent power like a stock 80's 5.0 would)
2010 Camaro V-6

but got my butt whooped by a 1991 (might have been 92) Iroc.

its not all about the car but about the driver as one night (when I still had my 1984 Monte Carlo that had the grand national block in it non turbo a cocky sob in a viper pulled up next to me at the light and i had a gut feeling to race him so i did for the hell of it. of course he got me on the start but he put it in neutral and started to rev when he stalled the viper and i beat him by two car lengths)

06GT85Z28

I'm just gonna say that you are just as bad as the cocky Mustang drivers.
I have had atleast a handful of 3rd Gens pull up on my 2006 Mustang GT and all of them got smoked badly, and I've pulled over and talked to each of them and of course theres always some Ford, Chevy smack talk, like there always is. Now since I have owned my 85Z28 I have yet to have a Mustang owner pick on me. The only ones that try to start something they can't finish are the damn ricers. I personally don't think it should be domestic VS domestic but domestic vs import since they think they can hang with the V8s(and some can). I understand the chip on your shoulder comment, for some reason I have one against 350Zs.

Anyways I'm proud to say I own a Bad A$$ Mustang GT and a Bad A$$ Camaro Z28.

Enjoy your car and don't let stupid people get to you...

ZONES89RS

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Hadn't had a stang beat me in my 89 before I had the accident last month, but I don't go around calling out twin turbo race cars either. I choose my battles small enough to win and big enough to matter. Beaten the almighty terminators with mods and the works, and they were upset at time, some accepted the LS swap, others in disbelief it was a cam only carbed truck engine. Then the respect comes out. Some feared the car so much they said "f that." if I asked to run. Lol

Orr89RocZ

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For what its worth I was talking about the new 5.0 coyote motor in the 2011-2013 stuff. Very nice motor.

Old foxes have lots of potential. My local shops pro street car runs 8.5's at 170mph with just 15psi of boost on a 505 big block ford and twins. Basically a junkyard turbo build and a basic stroked truck motor.... lsx what?

SKELITOR117

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There's a thread for that.

06GT85Z28

You happen to have a link? Or know the name? I'd like to read that

DeltaElite121

If GM is smart - they'll take the hint from the 5.0's and stop focusing on making power and start losing weight. Cars like that have been monsters for awhile now, and I think it's time they start shedding a few pounds. This whole "MAKE MOAR POWER" in a car that weighs the same as some of the older trucks is just silly.

When I (finally) graduate, I think I'd like to pick up a Cobra as my first "new" car. I think they're well designed cars, but I'm not sure what they did to change things so drastically in naturally aspirated form. I think it's most likely a large combination of changes, as displacement alone would not render such a gap in performance.. particularly when the cars still have some heft to them.

I guess it's something I'll have to dig up on the internet more about. I'm curious if they did any cylinder head changes as far as port flow characteristics are concerned.

ZONES89RS

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Last I checked, the camaro sales are through the roof and the camaro handles better. It is not all about hi is faster with a new car. It also is a way better ride quality. Is it optimal for drag? Hell no, but she is a bad beast for a daily driver and can carve the corners over the stang any day, so it is still a stout performer.

Billy flantos on ls1tech went 9.9 with a stock 6.0 that was cammed and carbed, 799 heads that were only milled .040, so I say lsx that. Those cars are shitboxes, retarded light weight. It is as you would suspect, light weight and power.

Orr89RocZ

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So? last i checked 8.5's with junkyard diesel turbos and a crank swapped 460 ford is faster than 9.9's 9.9's isnt that impressive considering its a light fox body. there are 9.9 "cam only" 5.7 ls1 fbodys...
Throw a modded coyote in that same chassis and weight and I bet it will turn some heads! Full bolt on new 5.0's record is 10.88. A lighter car and better air it would see mid 10's easily. Go with some cams? It could see high 9's i bet in a small lighter platform...

ZONES89RS

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I hope eleventy billion cubes and boost would do something , lol. A pushrods truck engine with a carb running 9.9 is impressive, some don't believe it. I would hope a engine from a new GT would run better, it is only 14 or 15 years newer technology. The cam only ls1 cars are gutted to hell in sure, they seem to get lighter than the third gens honestly. I am in the position of low budget, and for not allot of money, I bang heads. You just cannot run with the setups I use for less money, that is my reason I am impressed with these. Let's compare to a TBI 5.7, lol.

Orr89RocZ

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Agree there that bang for buck ls works best. But cam only in a light car i dont see a problem with 9.9's. Sounds perfectly logical. Ive known a few great drag setup foxes run mid high 10's with mild 302-347 ish inch 5.0 based sbf's. They only had high 300's whp. Big cam 6.0 lsx would put 100+ hp on that and i can easily see a car go 9's. However he did say 2000 ft da which makes it very impressive. Texas feb air is -1000 ft at best. East coast can hit near that as well. That car could pick up 2 tenths in mineshaft air

mw66nova

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haha, i like floating around town like this:



then meet them at the track like this:

SKELITOR117

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Hah. Awesome.

kmcn47

thats the way ford and gm want it

kmcn47

i beat one in a 2.8 firebird thing looked like a real pos, young idiot kids shouldn't own cars period unless its grandmas old ford tempo

ZONES89RS

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I envy you not worrying about GFX getting scraped everywhere you go

brando54009

fox body's are undeniable and the 5.0 is an awesome motor but i don't care much for the attitude most of them have

ZONES89RS

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I am proud they are American, but i still hate dodge... Lol

DeltaElite121

Most are the foxbody owners are fine around here (with a few exceptions, but there will ALWAYS be a few bad apples.. even with our cars). It's the modular crowd that generally need an attitude adjustment. Spend 10 minutes on the Mustang Forums or the Corral and it's like nuthugger central. For some reason - most of the 4.6 owners think they have the fastest thing on the planet when they're still running mid 13's. It's about as close to being an ignorant "*****" without having the body kits, neons, etc.

Orr89RocZ

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I'd say the same thing about the new 5.0 owners and LSx crowd

ZONES89RS

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All around, I love the boosted guys that act like they are end all be all, there are nitrous cars and even NA cars that will bust that *** as well out there. I will do turbo one day, but as long as there are 9 second and 8 second boosted guys that act untouchable, I will continue to build faster on motor and a shot of gas for back up. Love the torque output from nitrous. Turbos are nice, but I think I will probably never use them, a procharger is in my future I'm sure, lol.

SKELITOR117

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https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/theo...da-import.html

Haha. Have fun reading all 1500posts and 31 pages of complete stupidity.
Its actually pretty funny if you don't take it seriously.

Orr89RocZ

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There are some boosted guys that are like that....I know a few. I even know one guy that said E85 fuel or nothing for a few years because of all the hp he made on it.

Seems like there are ppl like that for just about anything out there....brand loyalty to parts loyalty

mw66nova

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ls1 ftw

ZONES89RS

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No, FTMFW...lol

Phenom-1

I'd get a fox body 5.0 if it wasn't for the Jock style macho attitude they think it gives them. I still remind them who's superior Everytime I run into them with my 5.7

84firebird383

Not a third gen or mustang, but since you like fast N/A street cars, this guy also runs at the local track. When this article was written he was running bottom 10's. I believe he now runs 9.7's. I thought the car would be completely unstreetable, but when I saw it in person, man it is unbelievably docile for the parts that are in it.

http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicl...g_to_be_small/

big hammer