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i say we spread the word this is a great thing we could have going here.
these are the best runners on the market, and we can have the chance to get them cheap. are at least as cheap as the "normal" runners
I will research tonight and let you guys know tomorrow. They look good to me. I just bought a 89 IROC w/350 and this is just the kick in the pants that it needs. Mine is bone stock, so this should help and give me room to grow, right?
There are a few guys I'm talking with now that might be in, no promises yet. But I'm in for sure!
__________________ 1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 - "Venom" - Current 1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC - "Reaper" - Sold 1987 Pontiac Trans Am GTA - "Demon" - Sold 1986 Pontiac Trans Am - "Beast" - Sold My CarDomain - My FQuick
It didn't die, we're waiting on the reply from Fast Toys.
__________________ 1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 - "Venom" - Current 1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC - "Reaper" - Sold 1987 Pontiac Trans Am GTA - "Demon" - Sold 1986 Pontiac Trans Am - "Beast" - Sold My CarDomain - My FQuick
Alright guy's, I just got a response from FastToys, and they've got the go-ahead from AS&M themselves, to do a group purchase with the members of thirdgen.org.
Every-day price is $415. If we can get 10 or more members to place an order, our new price is $349.
That's actually a better discount then what I had inticipated so I', happy about that.
Now the next part is important so read carefully.
- We have 2 weeks to gather 10 or more orders.
- All orders must be submitted together
- It will take 3-4 weeks for AS&M to build us the runners
- When you place your order, be sure to submit the Thirdgen.org G.P. price ($349)
These are the best performing runners available for our cars. If you plan on sticking with TPI (as I am) you won't find any better. Further more, $349 is a great price and you're not likely to get another one like this any time soon, try and take advantage of it if you can.
We have 2 weeks to get our stuff together and decide when we're going to place our orders. Remember, they all have to be placed at the same time. The 14th of this month is good for me 'cause I get paid that day and it leaves me time to pay the bills I have to pay from hear untill then. That's a Thursday by the way, 1 day short of the 2 weeks we have to place our orders.
I've done my part. Now that we have all the information we need, it's time to see who's in it or dot. Please post and let everyone know whether you can make it or not so that we can get a final countand see if we qualify for the minimum amount of orders or not.
If you can't, it's no big deal, don't worry about it.
Thanks.
By the way, here's a copy of their email.
".......Hi Phil,
Here is some pricing based on a minimum of 10 orders in total. The cost per
unit would be 349.99 per set + shipping. We can give you 2 weeks to gather
the orders but they must all be sumitted together. AS&M said it would take
3-4 weeks to build the runners once the orders were received.
If that sounds good, let us know and we can start the GP. Orders can be
placed directly with us using our online catalog. Just ask the members to
put Thirdgen.org GP price and we will automatically give them the correct
pricing.
WOW!!! That is a heck of a deal. The guy I know that recently got a set had to pay the $415 price. That is better than 15% off which is more than I would have thought. If I was in the market for runners I would be on this in a heartbeat.
__________________ Best et of 12.12 and best mph of 111.27 mph. Motor specs as follows: 355ci, Dart Pro One 200cc heads, 10.72:1 compression, 8.5:1 dynamic compression ratio, TPI with highly modified 1st style SLP runners, moded GM plenum and First Injection TPI intake manifold, Mike Jones 228/228 cam, Yank SS3600 converter, Dyno Don 1 3/4" shorty headers with excellent Dyno Don custom exhaust, custom cold air intake, AS&M monoblade throttle body. Race weight 3760 with driver. Meziere electric water pump. Mufflex 3.5" exhaust catback. Magnaflow 3.5" muffler#12909. Kevin91Z Tune. 4L60E installed.
Standard correction/unlocked 380RWHP, 371 RWTQ. SAE numbers are 370RWHP, 361RWTQ. Switched to MAP. At the motor that is 462HP SAE.
A 370 cubic inch motor based on the Dart SHP block is under construction. Using AFR 195cc Comp Heads.
also...depending on price and whether one of the two offered fits my 85 Corvette, I'd be interested too...I'm a definite maybe.
yea they do, it's actualy the same part# for the vette as the iroc
ive got the 85 vette motor as well. if you put the thirdgen.orgGP youll get the discount.
That, I couldn't tell you as it'll most likely be different for everybody since we probably all live in various states/provinces. FastToy's doesn't have a say as far as setting shipping costs. That's left to the individule courier (ups/fedex/post/ etc. etc.)
I'mm 99% sure I'm in for it. But like I said, for me, I'd like to place the order or the 14th (not this upcoming Thursday, the one after that) 'cause I'll have paid my bills by then, and also collect a paycheck on that date.
Is that okay with everybody else?
Another good thing about waiting till the 14th is that gives members the maximum amount of time to come up with the money.
sounds great to me. i guess there is no spacific time we have to put in on that day right. or do you think the day even maters as much as just having all the orders in by that day?
Demon should be happy to hear that we have two weeks.
It says "all orders have to be placed at the same time"
Does that mean we all call (or go online) and order them the same day, (or by the same day) or how exactly does that work?
Do they simply "hold" the orders until they see if we qualify for the GP buy price?
p.s. I've never been in on a GP before, so sorry if it's a dumb question.
I'm assuming what they mean is, we have 2 weeks to get 10 or more people to place their orders. ButFastToys won't submit them to AS&M one at a time.rather, they send them all at once. They'll wait until the two weeks are up until they place the order for x amount of runners.
Atleast, that's how I understand it.
Makes sense though, as AS&M need to know how many sets of runners to build and they won't find out untill all the orders are in.... the same day.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I'm seeing it....
I was pointed to this thread by one of you guys from a thread I had going elsewhere, cant remember who, sorry. Anyway for $350 Im in. Just post up how we need to go about it, call in order or website. How will shipping work since we are all in a bunch of different places. Will they charge us different shipping cost for different areas? Let me know. Im in all the way...
I was pointed to this thread by one of you guys from a thread I had going elsewhere, cant remember who, sorry. Anyway for $350 Im in. Just post up how we need to go about it, call in order or website. How will shipping work since we are all in a bunch of different places. Will they charge us different shipping cost for different areas? Let me know. Im in all the way...
it was me.thanks for helping the cause.
we'll be ordering sepritly, but as long as you put thirdgens.orgGP when you order it will be done.the direction are in a post above(buy LT1FUN)
once again thanks, but remeber we need 10 people to make it work. i think were close.
Probably going to go w/ a catback system and some headers. Havent decided w/ setup yet. First Im going to give the car a full tuneup b4 I starting adding mods to it.
So these runners w/ match our intakes perfectly? I think it was mentioned some porting may need to be done.
it isnt needed, but if you want to see any performace ganes. then yes some small porting is needed.the bolts match perfectly and no other mods or needed.
wow, mike your mods are like a mirror of mine.whats it run
Anyone got any ideas for me where to go w/ mods from here since this will be my first? Probably going to go w/ a catback system and some headers. Havent decided w/ setup yet.
yea good start. hookers are good, thats what i have. MSD 6al is good, then maybe a chip. but we all have our opinions.
it isnt needed, but if you want to see any performace ganes. then yes some small porting is needed.the bolts match perfectly and no other mods or needed.
So I wont see any gains from just adding the runners? I will need to port the intake?
3rdgenZ, you damn right I'm happy about the 2 weeks. I just dropped $1k on my engine yesterday and will be selling a few stuff to get by over these 2 weeks coming. I get paid on the 15th so this works out perfectly. I would assume we have to order with some type of credit card? If thats the case, LT1FUN, check your PM's.
$350 for AS&M runners?
__________________ 1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 - "Venom" - Current 1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC - "Reaper" - Sold 1987 Pontiac Trans Am GTA - "Demon" - Sold 1986 Pontiac Trans Am - "Beast" - Sold My CarDomain - My FQuick
wow, mike your mods are like a mirror of mine.whats it run
LoL! What's that saying about great minds?
Right now, I don't really know. lol. She ran a 14.2 in the quarter before I bought her (saw the time slips). My CarClub is planning a trip to one of the local tracks, Jackson or Darlington soon so I'll find out there. I'd love to have the runners by then. My next upgrade is to the the suspension, Spohn panhard bars and lower control arms, get the power to the ground better.
Hey LT1FUU, Has anyone asked if the gp applies to the polished runners add on option? Fasttoys doesn’t have this as an option on there website, but ASM does. I’m in if I can add on the polished option.
__________________ 1988 GTA L98, Gun-Metal Gray
ProBuilt Auto with PI Vigilante 2600 Stall
1997 30th Anniversary SS
SS Build #2375 30th Anniversary SLP SS Build # 0853, Auto
1999 30th Anniversary WS6 Trans Am Daytona 500 Pace Car Decals
30th Build #0703, M6
2003 30th Anniversary Grand Am GT1 SC/T Galaxy Sliver
"AS&M says independant tests have shows gains of 25hp and 30lbs of torque on STOCK L98's."
That's just with the runners?
Yes, that's just with the runners. But please keep in mind, that just like with any other performance parts company, AS&M probably conducted their tests in the best possible invironment with the best possible conditions to get the best possible results . (ie, think, brand new L98, being engine dynoed in a facility with a controlled room temperature) Those figures were all fly-wheel by the way, not at the rear wheels.
Obviously, not EVERYONE is going to get the EXACT same results on their car's as too many variables come in to play. Someone with 150 thousand miles on their motor that already needs an overhaul because the injectors are plugged, the cap and rotor are worn, and the catalitic converter is blocked etc. etc. etc. probably won't see the same results as those from AS&M.
Not to mention that no two dyno's give the exact same results, in all likelyhood, we'll all get varring results but so long as our our TPI's are in good working order, we should see very similar results as what AS&M advertised.
I've seen a few AS&M equipped cars on the dyno (not too many AS&M's out there)) and given the other mods these vehiles had at the time, the horse power and more importantly, the TORQUE these motors made, was way above what I've seen these cars put out with the same mods and factory runners which leads me to believe that these AS&M's do indeed perform as advertised.
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Originally Posted by navyCM
So these runners w/ match our intakes perfectly? I think it was mentioned some porting may need to be done.
Yes, they'll bolt right in. You'll still see gains regardless of whether or not you port them, but since the stock plenum comes out when you remove the old runners, why not take the time to port out the area's that need to be for best results? There's a pair of pictures in this thread (first page) that will give you an idea what I'm talking about. It's not a big deal, and it's the perfect oppertunity to take out 2 birds with one stone.
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Originally Posted by navyCM
Anyone got any ideas for me where to go w/ mods from here since this will be A # 1?
Well, honestly, normally I would'nt reccomend runners as the very first upgrade, but since we're getting such a great deal on them, it'd be silly to pass up the chance so in this case, I'll make an exception
Your first mods should always be to the induction (K&N filters, cutting out the air baffles under the filters) followed closely by the exhaust (headers/catback/converter) Basically, just allowing your motor to breath better will really wake up the car. I noticed you have a Camaro so when you install these runners, pick up a pair of K&N air filters at your local parts store and cut out the plastic baffles under the stock filters to allow them to suck up more air. You'll definetely notice a performance increase from 3000 and up. Once your exhaust is upgraded, these runners will REALLY shine....
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Originally Posted by 88GTAChuck
Hey LT1FUU, Has anyone asked if the gp applies to the polished runners add on option? Fasttoys doesn’t have this as an option on there website, but ASM does. I’m in if I can add on the polished option.
I never inquired about the polishing option as no one mentioned they were interested.
So you're saying you'll only buy them if you can get them polished?
Come on man, don't be that way
The polished runners weren't taken into consideration when FastToys spoke to AS&M so as far as they know, we all want the clear finish. You can always contact FastToy's and see if they can find out whether AS&M is willing to make a deal for a polished set for you, but they'd probably prefer to do everything the same (ie. all polished, or none polished)
This will actually be my first mod as well. Just sold the LS1 car and bought the IROC, so it is time.......
I feel this will be a great first bolt-on, as it will add power with the stock L98, as well as contribute to any future mods. After some research, I think these runners will hang in there with all the bolt-ons, as well as any power adders..... hmmmm.....good stuff. As well as a great price!!!
Now, I just gotta get all this LS1 stuff sold to fund this addiction.....
Thanks a million to those that did all the legwork on this. All the rest of us are reaping the benefits!!!
The 02 SS was done as far as bolt ons went, this TPI motor should be fun too.....as well as a little more challenging!!
Alright. If we want this thing to happen. We have to start getting serious. We have two weeks to come up with 10 people who are interested. Or more precisly, 10 people who are interested and are willing to spend the money.
Those 2 weeks are going to go by really fast and time will be up before we know it so we need to confirm within the next few days, who's in for sure and who's not. I still have to confirm with FastToys that we agree to the deal and I'd like to be able to tell them yes, we have 10 already here are their user names....
I don't want to wait until the last second 'cause they might think we turned down the deal since they haven't heard back from us in so long. I also wanted to confirm what the "all orders must be submitt at the same time" really means....
Please, if anybody has any doubts they can come up with the money, don't say your in for sure.
There's nothing more frustrating then having a bunch of people all calaim they're "in" only to get an email from the seller at the last possible second saying that they didn't even get half the required orders. It's happened plenty of times befor in other GP's I've been involved in and it's not really fare to anyone. All it does, is build up excitment for the buyers who have already placed an order, only to dissapoint them when their orders won't go through at the sale price because a bunch of other guy's never placed their orders.
If you can't come up with the money, it's no big deal. Stuff happens. But just don't say your in when you know there's a verry good chance, that your not.
I was thinking about strating a seperate thread just for those who are commited to this G.P. That way, at any time we could just visit that thread and see right off the bat, how many are in and how many more buyers we need, to get a G.P going.
What do you all think?
Should we start a seperate thread for the "comitted" ???
Yes, they'll bolt right in. You'll still see gains regardless of whether or not you port them, but since the stock plenum comes out when you remove the old runners, why not take the time to port out the area's that need to be for best results? There's a pair of pictures in this thread (first page) that will give you an idea what I'm talking about. It's not a big deal, and it's the perfect oppertunity to take out 2 birds with one stone.
[quote]Well, honestly, normally I would'nt reccomend runners as the very first upgrade, but since we're getting such a great deal on them, it'd be silly to pass up the chance so in this case, I'll make an exception
Your first mods should always be to the induction (K&N filters, cutting out the air baffles under the filters) followed closely by the exhaust (headers/catback/converter) Basically, just allowing your motor to breath better will really wake up the car. I noticed you have a Camaro so when you install these runners, pick up a pair of K&N air filters at your local parts store and cut out the plastic baffles under the stock filters to allow them to suck up more air. You'll definetely notice a performance increase from 3000 and up. Once your exhaust is upgraded, these runners will REALLY shine....[quote]
I was goint to start w/ what you mentioned but like you said I cant pass up a GREAT DEAL. ill probably hold on to them and do a couple other things first then add the runners. Im in 100%. I think it may be a good idea to start another thread just for the commited buyers so we know whos in and whos not. May be it would be a good idea to give them a list of names of commited buyers, after we have 10, so we can call or email and give them our shipping info. Thanks for doing all the work on this. W/O you going out on a limb w/ this it would have not got off the ground. Ill direct all my wife's striaght to you...LOL j/k.
Hey LT1FUN, your right I’m in regardless if fasttoys or ASM won’t honor the polishing option. It was early and the old brain wasn’t fully running at that hour. You can’t beet that price anywhere! I can polish them myself, just looking to free up some of my time. But thinking about it, 150 bucks is a lot for polishing. I’ll shoot fasttoys and ASM an email to see if they want to offer this as an option to anyone wanting to take part in the gp. I’ll post back in this thread letting everyone know. With the holiday weekend probably won’t hear thing until Tuesday. Thanks for getting the gp started up in the first place.
__________________ 1988 GTA L98, Gun-Metal Gray
ProBuilt Auto with PI Vigilante 2600 Stall
1997 30th Anniversary SS
SS Build #2375 30th Anniversary SLP SS Build # 0853, Auto
1999 30th Anniversary WS6 Trans Am Daytona 500 Pace Car Decals
30th Build #0703, M6
2003 30th Anniversary Grand Am GT1 SC/T Galaxy Sliver
anyways we can see if anyone else wants to buy them from my thread and just add them.
You can’t beet that price anywhere! I can polish them myself, just looking to free up some of my time. But thinking about it, 150 bucks is a lot for polishing. I’ll shoot fasttoys and ASM an email to see if they want to offer this as an option to anyone wanting to take part in the gp. I’ll post back in this thread letting everyone know. With the holiday weekend probably won’t hear thing until Tuesday. Thanks for getting the gp started up in the first place. 
