Hello Everyone, Ok my buddy has a 1992 RS 5.0L. I have a 1992 RS 3.1L. Last night we were screwing around and i tried to pass him well to make a long story short it was a race. But I won, maybe by a foot I mean it was wierd we were head to head and at about 90-95 i slowly pulled ahead. We both have the same mods catback system and a high flow cat. I have an intake he does not. Mine is fuel injected his is TBI. When we got to my house he said "man that was sweet i didn't know a six could run like that". Is his car total crap or is it normal for my little six banger to be able to do this? Any input because if i can do that I can say im proud to drive my V6.

Well....little of both. You did good to beat the 305, since he does have around.....*** its been a while...40 hp more than you?

But yes, the TBI cars ARE crap. When you passed him, was he revved out pretty good? TBI's have really bad flow up top...they choke themselves to death so they run out of steam quite quickly.

Just laugh and tell him to get a REAL V8.

*cough* Hey! No V8 bashing here either.

Honestly, you've run across one of those weird flukes us TBI guys have yet to figure out... some of the LO3s run high 16s with a small army of mods, others run mid 15s bone stock + catback exhaust... we have yet to really figure out what's up with the individual motors, but some TBIs like to move, and others don't. Your friend is blessed with one that doesn't, or he doesn't know how to drive it.

[quote]Originally posted by TechSmurf
[b]*cough* Hey! No V8 bashing here either.




One of the reasons i swapped my tpi 350 to carb. TBI and TPI are a mistery to me as far as tuning and getting them to make any top end power seems to be a pita and takes alot of $. Although the tpi setup does look cool.


Also , (no bashing here ) Just because its a v8 doesnt mean its powerful or fast. Look at some of the old lg4's .

DISCLAIMER:

My sig in no way is ment to reflect on any v6 owner or their car and is ment to reflect how may v6 was dieing and a general POS.

Man.. what is this.. pick on every motor in the smurf's front yard day?

I've got no opinion on LG4s yet really.. haven't had a chance to drive the car yet.. still needs tires.. and an air cleaner spacer... and.. ... wow, I guess that's it now. Sweet.

As far as your sig, I've got no prob with it.. my V6 was a dying POS and got beat by minivans ... but hey! It's better to burn out than to fade away... (no more getting beat by minivans, but she's dying even faster )

a stock high mileage 305 is a pig. Ive embarrased them before, too. The MPFI is much more efficient than the TBI, and offers quicker throttle respone, plus alot of its power is in the high RPM range.

Ive beaten a stock 305 from a hole shot and a roll. The race from a dig was more driver than anything, though.

Something's wrong w/ your friends 305TBI or he doesn't know how to drive.

Chevy handicapped the 305 TBI, yet if properly tuned, it'll beat more than 1/2 the cars on the road today.

EDIT: the v6 was made for economy/cruising, not performance. So get over the v6 speed demon thing.

Um... 305 TBI beat ANYTHING? It's a 17 second ride, stock. tuning puts it 16s.

Unless by tuning, you mean a 100hp shot of nitrous, or a T76 or something along those lines

Get over the V6 speed demon thing? I'm just starting to get into it!

Got boost? :hail:

Mid 16 stock, Doward.. not 17.. that's the 2.8.. and yes, the LO3 is completely neutered from the factory. You can get 4-6 degrees of base timing added in on 87 octane without encountering knock on most, for starters, which was probably taken out by GM to increase the gap between LB9 and LO3 performance in an attempt to sell more TPI cars. Combine that with two 45pph injectors (90pph total.. 3.1 15pph X 6 injectors == 90pph total too... anyone see a problem here?).. cam provides a valve lift of .350/.383, all under 200 degrees duration (absolute peanut cam).. swirl port heads are crazy flow inhibitors.. but it's really hard to argue with that flat ~255 ft-lb torque band from 1800ish-4000ish for an econobox V8.

Ashkay, don't tell the V6 guys to get over the speed demon thing.. LO3s are almost as bad off, they're NOT fast, and they too were made for economy/cruising, as well as 'entry level' performance. Pony cars were made to be fast, so regardless of what was put in them, it's every F-body owner's right to follow that goal. My broken 5-cyl V6 will eat my LO3 for lunch on 5 psi with measly 13pph injectors... could I modify my LO3 to come right back at it? Yes... but I like its reliability as it stands now

That what I love about street racing. If you go straight 1/4 mile a 6 is slow but on the streets its allways top speed or who will lift. These 6'es kill in street racing which are a mile or longer.

Just try n pass me

I agree some of the stories you hear about the who v6 v8 thing are hard to believe but i'll give them this one. You gotta look at the whole thing.

Just because its a v8 doesnt mean its fast.

The tbi car was a turd performance wise and probably had turd gears also. It was seriously limited by gm.

The v6 car while isnt noplace near huge hp numbers or tq has good gearing.

Take a car, drive it with 2.73's, then drop some 3.73's in it.,Its like a whole different car.

The best thing for the v8 tbi owner to do is take advantage of the huge amount of aftermarket parts for the v8 engine. Switch the cam and even induction and the car would be much faster.

I seem to recall that My Generation Camaro in (I think) Hot Rod clawing to a 17.1 stock, down to the 2.73's in the back?

Sorry, it was Chevy HiPo, and it ran a 17.45 stock.

There was something seriously wrong with that car. They're mid 16 usually.

Seems like the v6'ers keep their cars in better shape than the v8'ers.

err... I dunno about that.. my LO3's in way better shape than my V6... but I've seen beaters from both sides of that argument.. really just a toss-up.

I took care of my 6 and it died, the prev owner prolly didnt though.


BTW i got 6 stiches today and my car is RUNNING!!!! WOOHOOOOO

Me and my friend used to race all the time he had a 90 with a 305 i have a 91 with a 3.1 His was modded so was mine. We also had the same engine milage as well. i would awalys beat him no matter what. WE were raceing on the freeway once we were neck and neck i was about a foot ahead of his front bumper then i pulled away from him because he had a govner at the time and i didnt. But our cars will WHOP *** on a 305. I also raced a 305HO camaro i think it was an 84 i killed that camaro and in the process blew my tranny i had a cloud of smoke behind me when i was done and had lsot all my tranny fluid.

I can understand beating a TBI car.... But you whooped up on a 5.0 HO? Back in 84, that was the L69 motor...carbed. Those things aren't slow....guess his must be though! My buddy had an 84 T/A with an L69 and he SCHOOLED me so bad it wasn't even funny when I had my Camaro.... Course he had swapped to 3.73 gears, had a custom sidepipe exhaust, and headers.

I agree,

Hey dude, you don't live in Monrovia do you?? I remember seeing a car just like yours a few years back but I haven't seen it in a long time......

Congrats to Brobert for making it breathe again! Have you driven it? As for the race, seen it happen, doesn't surprise me. A car out of tune can run like garbage. LG4 and lo3 tend to be slow when not tuned properly (that and the l03 has some issues).

Just because your 2.8 was a POS dont bag on our enignes. KED85 has been in my ride before. But hey if you wana real race i will race you for pinks and take your new 350 away with my little 455:lala:

Im not bagging on any v6. And dont try to make it seem like i am just because im on probation. Im mearly pulling out the flag on you.

And lets see, your v6 vs my 350.


My 350 did 13.50 in a trans am with lower gearing then i have now and a tpi setup ontop of it. I took this motor, dumped the tpi setup which has no upper rpm power, gave it an iduction that makes upper rpm power and bolted it to some nicer gearing.

Now it looks to me unless i fall asleep at the track i can not possibly do worse then the prev owner of this motor did.

Now lets look at some numbers. Fastest person on here with a v6 is doing 15's correct? Even the turbo project that Doward and Vortec are working on has been said to do 15's so i think its safe to say your stock engine isnt moving your car faster then theirs. Which inturn would show you do not have a chance of providing me with a real race at all.


Dont get all mad and take it personal, im not the only one who thought their was something fishy about your post.

Thanks man, As soon as th estitches are out ill put the exhaust in. And yeah i agree about the old lg4's

Sorry, FastRS... NA 3.1 vs L69 is a pretty tall tale, no matter how you try and spin it. Sometimes you just gotta have the timeslips and two people who witnessed the run to back it up...

I agree with it im not trying to prove anything as long as me and my friend know it happend then i have no worrys because i know what happend. NOw i wasent saying my v6 against your 350 i was saying my 455 against your 350

Oh, well thats a different story then.

I thought he raced one with an LO3????