dudelovett

100 replies!

Kyle F

Unfortunatley you cant read. Um yes the MAzda engine equiped Escort GTs are quick stock just like a honda V-TEC. MOst of the time I am here to help, but when I read osmething stupid like this it pisses me off. If you would not just read the last statement you would have seen that I said I would believe him if he admits the the CAMARO TBI and the MUSTANG GT were RAGGED OUT POS. The fact is that I know my escort can take a 3.1 with a few mods, hell I got them on gearing, weight, and sometimes even tire size also its a DHOC Z-Tec with aluminum head from stock. Its pointless to argue about this any further. The only thing I want to hear is that it was not a well running 205TBI and a completely crappy Mustang GT, after that I will say cool I bet you really made that guy mad, but until then I don't believe it.
Refering to the comment that was made about which engine is better I never said that you were saying that a V6 was better, all I was saying is if all you had to do was a little simple mods then why wouold you buy a V8 ever?

85f-bird

I beat a 86-90 TA with a 305TBI, just a little before Monkie's race. Mine was close, and i pulled it off. It was also on the highway, going 55-90mph or so. The race was good, but i highly doubt that his car was in propper running condition, in fact i know it wasn't because if it had been than i wouldn't have beat him. he beats me in both hp and tq. Yet still, i beat him in this race, and until he fixes his car, i will continue to beat him. Now, no one can say that if one car is faster than the next that people will automatically purchase the faster car, you can't base the opinion on simply that. Think about it, if we were only basing things on speed, then there would be no v6 fbody, and never a 4 cylinder f-body. Heck, there wouldn't be 4 cylinder cars period. Because everyone would have V10 vipers, or Mclaren F1's. Also, we all know that a 1990 Mustang GT with a 5.0L had more power than a 1990 Trans Am 5.0L stock, it would also have beat the Trans Am in weight. But the big difference is the styling. NO offense, but a mustang looks like an escort, and a Trans Am well lets see, it looks like a Camaro, and a Corvette, but not a Sunbird. So, what you get are people who are basing their decission on not just performance, but styling, handling, possible cubic inches, etc. You shouldn't base an opinon to buy a car simply on 0-60 times, or even 1/4 mile times unless you plan to run the car at the track every week, and not drive it besides then. Then we've got a whole other issue, Trailer Queens, why would a person buy a 1971 firebird 400 when they could have a 1970 challenger 426 hemi. Well, it's all about personal opinon. One car, will be pushing out more power, yet the other can still be modded to push out power, but if the challenger was faster, than why would the firebird have survived for 4 generations and the challenger only make a couple years?

oh yeah, is this now the longest running post ever?

3.1 firebird

lol 85, the fox body mustang and escorts look so muck alike its sickening! ACtually there is only one version of the fox stang that I would like......it would have to be the version with an actual trunk, not a hatchback, and I would have to lower it, put a cervinni stalker front bumper and ground effects on, and a cobra spoiler. Basically in a Summitt catalog a few months back there is a mustang like this painted red with silver flames....and this is the only fox stang I would own, but look at what all you had to add to it to make it look cool.....
where as our fbodies are cool looking out of the factory.

Monkie

God you are stupid! I never said I beat a Camaro with 170 HP and a Mustang with 225 HP. I said I beat a piece of **** TBI that the guys runs EVERY DAY. And I beat the Mustang that was dirty and I know it was a manual or else he is the best damn shifter Ive ever seen. So Im taking it the Mustang was also a POS. But I do keep my car in immaculate condition. I love it to death and I find reasons to go somewhere just so I can drive it. It took me 2 years to find my car. I wanted a black IROC-Z forever but then I saw my car and saw what condition it was in and I couldnt turn it down, V8 or no V8. So you go right ahead and call my car a POS I could care less what you call it. Its not your car and as long as you dont come over here and touch it I wont have a problem with you. Go ahead talk out of your *** . Call me a "KID" and call my car a "POS", wow more power to you lol you are just making yourself look more dumb with every reply. And you know I lost? lol, THATS RIGHT! You were in the passenger seat! I forgot, my bad man! And calling my fellow V6ers fools.....YEA way to get people to believe you there! Thats the way to do it. Man Im sorry but you seem to be a complete looser that cant figure out when you are wrong, so Im gonna figure it out for ya. You are a complete dumb *** for thinking that just because a V8 has 2 more cylinders than a V6 that the V8 will ALWAYS win. So there you go, now you can go back to the Ford POS side that you belong to! Later DA. Oh and on your way out take a look at my kills on my sig, you will notice a 305 TBI and a Mustang GT. Owch thats gotta hurt, maybe you ought to tell your V8 guys to take more care of their cars and then they wont need morons trying to give excuses for why 4 bangers and V6s kicked their *** , because in this world **** happens.


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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

Monkie

My bad the Mustang I meant had to have been an automatic. Hands got too fast

Kyle F

Once again you guys fail to get the point, its like Im teaching third graders how to do differential equations. I said IF th V6 could be fast so easy why would the sale V8. You mnaking it out like I said people buy cars based on speed, where as I said before that I bought my EScort GT for gas milage and because it was quick for what it was. So to wwrap that section up, what I am questioning is that If the V6 was made so fast so easy why would peoploe pay more for the V8 or a more POwerful V8 if the smaller underpaowered one could be built up so easily?

No I don't believe a V8 always will beat a V6, Im in search of a Grand NAtional Right now. It just takes a lot more to make them faster than a V8. The two extra cylinders do Guratee a win, if your engines are built the same way but one is a V6 and one is a V8. Now as far as calling your car a POS, sorry I take i back, if its in good condition great, now SINCE YOU ADMITED THAT THOSE CARS WERE POS then fine now I believe you, That is all I wanted to hear, in fact you might see that in my above replys.

Another thing I hate fords, that is why I bought an Escort with the Mazda Drivetrain rather than the Ford. I wish I would have held out for a Cavalier, but money likes to burn holes in my pocket. Since you have not said anything about being able to beat my time I am still saying I could take your V6, or is it just a 4cyl can't beat a V6, but a V6 can beat a V8, the difference between the 4 and 6 is just 2 Cyl , oh well I guess you can conflict yourself.
Well check back later to see how things go.
Check my Sig just incase you forgot what I really drive

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86 Trans Am 355 TPI Rebuilt 700R4 with Corvette servo, modified valve body, and a B&M Torque Converter (2000 rpm stall w/ lock up), 87 350 block bored .30 with new crank, bearings, rings, and magnafluxed rods. Reworked 305 heads with 3-angle valve job. Added in the rebuild was an SLP TPI cam, BBK 58mm Throttle Body,SVO 24# injectors,MSD 6A, Hypertech Power Coil, 1.5 Crane roller tipped rocker arms, SLP Intake Runners and Port matching in upper intake including fully ported plenum, TPIS adjustable fuel pressure regulator @ 46psi, Hooker shorty style headers w/ Thermotech heat wrapping, Custom 3” exhaust with Flowmaster muffler and chrome quad tips, Hypertech Thermomaster Computer chip, K&N open element cone filter on modified MAF per TPIS specs, MSD Wires, removal of A/C hardware and a 1LE firewall cover installed. Also there has been a PST front suspension kit with Hotchkis strut tower brace
http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Garage/9548/kyle.html

Kills:
95 Talon TSI, 96 Probe GT, 91 T/A L98, 89 RS, 86 Mustang GT, 88 Mustang LX 5.0, 92 Thunderbird V8. couple or ricers that I think were Civics or Preludes not sure what year, 95 Celica GT-S, 94 Chevy 1/4 ton 350, one of those NASCAR F150's

TomP

Did I say anything had to be a ragged out POS? Nope! I didn't say "The v8 has to only be running on 2 cylinders", or "has to be have blue smoke pouring out of the pipes". I said the v8 can't be in perfect condition. That doesn't mean it's shot to hell.


Wow, your Escort is Da Bomb, Yo! You must get all the Ladies in that Pimp-mobile! You've got us on tire size? Do you have shiny tires that stick out past the wheelwells too? That's a Dope Ride! Thanks for the laugh. I would never race an Escort. You've really got the "rice" image full-blown here, eh? Next, I can't wait to hear about your Civic with the V-tec, and how you've got all of us on gearing & weight & style. I'm sure you'll tell us all about it.

Hm, maybe these cars you beat aren't racing you! Maybe they say "Hah, look, a (*****/Escort, choose one)", and just play with you. Maybe you're racing thrashed and completely crappy cars in the P-mobile.

Read my previous message- no, wait, I'll requote it here: (You're a) Moron.

Now, I know it's shocking, but: Not everyone that buys a new car wants to do simple mods to make their motor better. Besides, who the heck (besides you) said that simple mods turn a V6 into a V8? You forgot two cylinders somewhere there, buddy.


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---Think your car could be pic of the week? Visit http://www.f-body.net for details!

TomP

Monkie, my fingers went too fast, too, I didn't notice the Moron posted something else!

Oh Kyle, that was such a great example... your wisdom is so great, yet you show a lack of common sense.

Okay, now listen closely, Moron: I have no idea why you think "the smaller underpaowered (sic) one could be built up so easily"! Do you think all it takes is an exhaust? Hahahahaha, it's more work, silly. Unless, of course, your idea of "easy/simple work" is completely on a different level than my third grade mind can understand. To some people, a supercharger might be simple work; what do I know? (Yes, Kyle, that's sarcasm!)

Plus, you act as if we said a V6 will always beat a v8? Moron. Turn on your genius mind and think of what we're saying here: We're saying a modded V6 can beat a stock V8. Did we talk about both motors being built up to full potential? NOPE! As I said before, the v8 will always be stronger than the V6 if both engines are otherwise equal because the V8 has two more power strokes. Hey, do you even know what a power stroke is? Obviously not, because it didn't sink in the first time I mentioned it. Take the V6/90 4.3 and the V8/90 5.7. [edit] This could be a mistake, maybe I mean the V8/90 5.0l. Either way, the point I'm making is valid. (Since you don't know, the 4.3 uses the same bore, rods, and other pieces as the V8/90 5.7). With similar induction systems and cams and heads & exhaust, which will be stronger? The v8.

(Chokes on coffee) What's that?? "...if your engines are built the same way but one's a v6 and one's a v8?" Well I'll be damned, you finally figured it out. We're not talking about engines that are built the same way- oh, but I already covered that a few times already. I'm sure it won't click in your advanced mind this time, either, and I'm not going to bother to retype my previous paragraph.

Kickin, bro! The Escort is a far better buy. Plus, the Mazda engine thorougly validates your choice to buy a Ford, even though you hate them. (Wait a second, did we ask?) That's like saying "I hate the Buick Century, so I bought a Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera."

(yawn) Didn't we go through this already? You never mentioned that your Escort was this SSE (stupendously swell edition) Pimpmobile. The majority of Escorts are gutless econoboxes. I haven't seen Monkie conflict himself yet. (Laughs) Aren't you conflicting yourself? All of a sudden it's okay for a 4cyl to beat a 6cyl, but it's not possible for a 6cyl to beat an 8cyl?

Wow, magnafluxed rods? I bet that added a few horsepower!! Imagine if you had the heads magnafluxed! Or hell, magnaflux the whole block! That would've definately made you faster! Heh, last I remembered, your big 58mm throttle body was killing you- did you figure out a TPS adjustment yet? Just because your car has a stronger motor doesn't mean that you speak with wisdom... actually, it's revealing a lack of it.

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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l) from http://www.f-body.net/mailbag/3rd/3rd_mailbag.html message boards
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[This message has been edited by TomP (edited December 06, 2000).]

Monkie

TomP

OMG ROFLMAO!!!! Sides hurting....cant get up. Laughing too hard! Damn that was great!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

Monkie

It might just be me...But does anyone else notice that our friend Kyle cant spell or type the right way? HA, seems to me like Mr. Teacher needs to go back to third grade!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

CaliCamaroRS

***dan decides to kill this post before it kills me*** i grab my trusty sword and approach the beast. "on guard, motherf**ker." i say. "TBI/cats/imports RULE!!!!!" the beast replies. "WTF!!!! that's it, time to die" i say. i charge the beast and stab it right in it's v-tec sticker. "AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" the beast moans. hehe, i've found it's weak spot. i stab it again and again. the beast goes down. on his last breath, the beast says " monkie's...... car CANNOT.... be beaten......by ANYONE." the beast rolls over and stops breathing. it's over. the beast is dead. i return to thirdgentown victorious. TomP, FastRS, the jasons, and others lift me up on their shoulders as the whole town cheers. THE END

Monkie

Ok I looked but I couldnt find where someone said its so easy to build up a V6. If it is will someone please clue me in!?

Ok teacher listen, no one said its simple to build up a V6. But what we did say was that a well kept V6 will beat a POS V8. Same goes with a well kept 4 cylinder will beat a POS V6 and maybe even a POS V8. Hate to break it to you but your V8 doesnt promise you that 235 or whatever HP that came with it. Why dont you drive it for about a year and then roll it onto the dyno. Watch those numbers go down. Noting stays new Kyle, get that through your ****ing head.

The two extra cylinders do Guratee a win, if your engines are built the same way but one is a V6 and one is a V8.
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(Shaking head) What will it take!??!?! Ok this is really simple to put down. Ok teacher, lets say the V8 has 400,000 miles on it...The V6 has 8,000 miles on it. Now they are built the same way. now which one do you think will win?


Now as far as calling your car a POS, sorry I take i back, if its in good condition great.
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Wow, thanks teach! I was worried that you really thought it was a POS. Now that you dont feel that way I can go back to enjoying my car!


Since you have not said anything about being able to beat my time I am still saying I could take your V6.
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Yea Im gonna fight with a total dumb *** that claims that he can beat a car that he has never even seen. Its the internet...So go here and we will race right quick, http://www.youareadumb****.com . Ready to race?


or is it just a 4cyl can't beat a V6, but a V6 can beat a V8, the difference between the 4 and 6 is just 2 Cyl , oh well I guess you can conflict yourself.
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If you havent figured it out by now then you aren't going to so Im just not gonna reply to that stupid statement and just act like you didnt say it.


Check my Sig just incase you forgot what I really drive
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Yea once again check my sig...You will notice a 305 TBI and a Mustang GT (both are V8s if you didnt know teach!) Aren't you proud of me!?



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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

Kyle F

First off Tom P and Monkie, I am enjoying this, aorry about my typing I usually don't fell like going back to fix mistakes. You guys get the point of what it means and thats all that matters. About my sig I included stuff that was done in the rebuild, yes I know magnafluxing does not help power, but it means my rods are good and sorry I left it in there I guess you can only list power adding Mods, like Z28 exhaust, um yea that explains things. A far as teaching goes I could teach Math Physics and Chemistry, but I wouldn't dare try english. Ofcourse you need to understand in Engineering school Writing english papers is not the cocentration of the academics.
Aslo stop quoting unless you take enought to explain the whole statement. I swear you guys should be politicians because you can take anything out of context and twist it into what you want me to say.
Now Monkie I gave you credit for you car, cant you say thanks or accept it? No you have to make another smart *** statement like Oh yea now I can enjoy my car since you like it now. Chances are I don't like your car, but I dont care because its not mine I don't have to drive it, hell I don't even have to look at it, which I never will. Hey its you car do what you want with it and if it is as fast as you say it is great, but I wont believe you till I see times or I meet you at the tree.
Now Tom P since you like to stick up for you poop smellin son let me talk to you for a minute here.
I hate to continually burst your bubble and make you come back and repost stuff and let you get your shots in at calling me a moron. Hey think what you want, but I havbe a lot of experience with all sorts of enginesd and other mechanical stuff so who cares. Anyways moving on to the task at hand. Well as far as you saying a V6 can outrun an out of tune V8, ok if you take it to an extreem like its missing a cyl. or if its got 800,000 miles on it then yes a V6 will out run it, but if it is just running not up to par a MUSTANG GT(Not just any V8) will not get beat by a 3.1 did you get what Im talking about here? Not just any V8 a Mustang GT 5.0!!!!
About My escort yes I win on Gearing Yes I win on Weight and yes sometimes even Tire size I have factor Ford 15X8s and I see some V6 camaros using 14X7. So all in all I think this makes up for the HP difference, but V6 fF-body to Mustang GT the only advantage MIGHT be gearing, and even thats not a guarantee. SO no mine is not riced out it has a low tone exhaust a small factory wing and tires that stay under the wheel wells. Th only ***** mod to my car might be the black outs on the tail lights. Also refer to the time I posted earlier for the car, oh wait thats something you left behind to take my statement out of context. I simply stated a time and said are you running faster than this. Hmmm no one said anything about that.
About this modifying a V6 so easily to make it better than a V8. I was saying that simple things like what Monkie has done will not make it faster than a V8. If you refer above (again something you left out) I said something about out running a V8 and mention that the V6 would need something like NOS or a supercharger to do it. This is not top turn a V6 into a V8, beacause you can't do it.
I also never said that a V8 will always out run a V6 nor did I say you guys ment it in fact I am talking only about monkie's car anyways, I mean come on do you think my V8 could out run a twin turboed Porche 911 with a flat 6, um no, but I bet you guys will say I said It would because I have 2 more cylinders.
Again thanks for restating my point about engines being built the same, bore stroke cam profile valve size and so on, the V8 will be faster than the V6. (ugh this is getting so stupid replying to your crap)
About my Trans Am and its 58mm TB. I have had great results with it as long as my foot is in it. I am having idle problems and need to adjust the IAC, not the FU**ing TPS. I did that long ago when it still had the 305 and seen very little improvement since then by moving it anywhere else.
Now I doubt I will post anymore unless you guys say something so stupid I need to, but I am leaving wit this statement to try and make piece.
Monkie, if you like you car and its in good condition keep it and enjoy, but dont make rediculous claims or if they sound that way tell the whole truth so we can understan where you are coming from with it. I would never believe from looking at your mods you could out trun a Mustang Gt or a 305 TBI, but if you explain further about the cars it makes a little more since.
Tom P you need to stop taking things aout of context and making sure you read all pertinent information before making a post refering to something else. YOu make some valid points, but it looks as if I covered them before you just wanted to make things sound differntly than they were, like a lot of V6ers you are quick to jump to a defensive mode and think I am attacking the V6 and saying your car is not worth anything because it does not have a V8. Far from the truth budy. As for my escort it is a Daily driver, I ask nothing more from it than that, just to run well. So what if I am a Gear head and can't keep from modifying it, I haven't had a car yet that I didn't do something to. That does not mean it is riced out. so anyways it is dinner time so Good night and take care and good luck with your cars see you in another post. If you wish to say anything else to me feel free to email me at kfelts@zoomnet.net. Have some class dont send a lot of spam to me.

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86 Trans Am 355 TPI Rebuilt 700R4 with Corvette servo, modified valve body, and a B&M Torque Converter (2000 rpm stall w/ lock up), 87 350 block bored .30 with new crank, bearings, rings, and magnafluxed rods. Reworked 305 heads with 3-angle valve job. Added in the rebuild was an SLP TPI cam, BBK 58mm Throttle Body,SVO 24# injectors,MSD 6A, Hypertech Power Coil, 1.5 Crane roller tipped rocker arms, SLP Intake Runners and Port matching in upper intake including fully ported plenum, TPIS adjustable fuel pressure regulator @ 46psi, Hooker shorty style headers w/ Thermotech heat wrapping, Custom 3” exhaust with Flowmaster muffler and chrome quad tips, Hypertech Thermomaster Computer chip, K&N open element cone filter on modified MAF per TPIS specs, MSD Wires, removal of A/C hardware and a 1LE firewall cover installed. Also there has been a PST front suspension kit with Hotchkis strut tower brace
http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Garage/9548/kyle.html

Kills:
95 Talon TSI, 96 Probe GT, 91 T/A L98, 89 RS, 86 Mustang GT, 88 Mustang LX 5.0, 92 Thunderbird V8. couple or ricers that I think were Civics or Preludes not sure what year, 95 Celica GT-S, 94 Chevy 1/4 ton 350, one of those NASCAR F150's

TomP

There's obviously no changing your mind. The v8 does not have to be shot to your "level of extreme", and I don't care what kind of car (Mustang GT?) it's in. If it's ... Ah well ya know what, nevermind, like you said it was fun; and it's done, I'm not going to waste my/your/the other members' time anymore with this petty argument. Honestly in real life I don't even bother with an argument like this- it ain't worth it. I suppose it's because I'm at work and have no other way to waste time.

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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l) from http://www.f-body.net/mailbag/3rd/3rd_mailbag.html message boards
---Think your car could be pic of the week? Visit http://www.f-body.net for details!

[This message has been edited by TomP (edited December 06, 2000).]

Monkie

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kyle F:
First off Tom P and Monkie, I am enjoying this


I must say I am enjoying this too. Its not every day that I get to correct a total idiot for 3 days in a row!

I swear you guys should be politicians because you can take anything out of context and twist it into what you want me to say.


We can twist it into what we want you to say, but yet last time I checked we were quoting you. hmmmmm go figure there!

Now Monkie I gave you credit for you car, cant you say thanks or accept it?


You gave me credit for my car?? Now what does that mean? You mean you gave me credit for me not having a POS car? LMAO, buddy I already knew that along with everyone else on this board. Unlike you we have N I C E cars. So now you want a thanks or acceptance for not calling my car a POS? Damn, for all I could care you can kiss my white *** ! Im not giving you ****.


No you have to make another smart *** statement


Well you dont make it that hard to do.

Chances are I don't like your car, but I dont care because its not mine I don't have to drive it, hell I don't even have to look at it, which I never will.


Good now the only POS car you will look at is yours. Dont go callin people's cars a POS just because you dont like that a car that should have lost a race actually won.


Now Tom P since you like to stick up for you poop smellin son let me talk to you for a minute here.


Boy now that was harsh!


Hey think what you want, but I havbe a lot of experience with all sorts of enginesd and other mechanical stuff so who cares.


Now if this word enginesd is ENGINES then where the hell did you get your experience from!? Pumping your own gas doesnt count MORON.


I simply stated a time and said are you running faster than this. Hmmm no one said anything about that.


Hmmmm maybe I dont know DA. Did you ever think of that? Not EVERYONE takes their f-body to the strip. Yea, this is how it goes..."Hey guys I just bought a phat *** Firebird and before I got it home off the lot I took it to the strip to see what it had!" "Oh and I beat a POS Escort while I was there!" sorry just had to put that in.

I was saying that simple things like what Monkie has done will not make it faster than a V8.


Im getting tired of pointing out the SAME DAMN point so anyone wanna attack this? Maybe TomP, Im sure you wanna say what you have been trying to get across his mind for 20 replys!


If you refer above (again something you left out) I said something about out running a V8 and mention that the V6 would need something like NOS or a supercharger to do it. This is not top turn a V6 into a V8, beacause you can't do it.


So what would a 4 cylinder need to beat a V8? If a V6 needs NOS and a SCer then what is left for a 4 cylinder? Sounds like it will need about 3 SCers. And dont say a 4 cylinder cant beat a V8 cause Ive seen it.


I also never said that a V8 will always out run a V6


Thats what you have been saying the whole time!


nor did I say you guys ment it in fact I am talking only about monkie's car anyways


Wow, is there something special about my car that other 3.1Ls with 5 speeds dont have? Maybe that NOS bottle that I cant find??


(ugh this is getting so stupid replying to your crap)


Awwwww, whats amatter? Thought baby Kyle was having fun??? Or did you just realize what a moron you really are??? Im thinking both.


Monkie, if you like you car and its in good condition keep it and enjoy, but dont make rediculous claims or if they sound that way tell the whole truth so we can understan where you are coming from with it.


Really you mean if its nice I can keep it!? Woops you guys he seems to think my car isnt a POS so its not for sale anymore. Sorry for the confusion!

Hey dont believe me! Am I making you? NO. So dont jack *** !


I would never believe from looking at your mods you could out trun a Mustang Gt or a 305 TBI, but if you explain further about the cars it makes a little more since.


I hope that you would figure it out yourself that the car wasnt in showroom condition!

like a lot of V6ers you are quick to jump to a defensive mode and think I am attacking the V6 and saying your car is not worth anything because it does not have a V8.


Hmmmm, what about your ignorant statement about how my car is a POS? Oh thats right I forgot that you saw it and was with me when I raced the 2 V8s. MY BAD!



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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

3.1 firebird

I;ve beaten my friends stok 305 TBI auto......and about two months ago I raced my grandpa in his 305 TBI auto.....and I beat them both. It was beating gramps though he's a big time gear head and knows how to luanch off the line hard! Since I beat himn though I;ve had 3.73's put in, so now I;d beat him better this time(last time I had a car length).

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Modified 3.4 Pacesetter headers,Crane 2020 cam,K&N cone, cat-back ,shift kit,pulleys,3.73's(openrear)
16.18@85.6 and 16.09@83.7

85f-bird

gentlemen, we all know you can't judge a book by it's cover. Some people have cars that are beat down, rusted out, and look to be falling apart, only because they've taken their 10k and put it into the drivetrain. Then you get the crap kicked out of you in a race, just because you thought it had to be a POS. Also, we have to remember, that we're talking about un-monitored street races, not car and driver. We don't have indy car drivers behind the wheels of a TBI 305 and a MPFI 3.1 do we? And a lot can happen in a street race that doesn't happen at a 100% flat, cleared race track. In fact, i'd say while it takes less motor to win on the street, it might take more skill, manuevering turns, knowing the gravitational limits you car can withstand without losing your back end, etc. Heck, the guy could launch bad and more things. I have friends that keep their cars looking immaculate, some have Z3's others with Z28's and lots of them aren't gear heads, they'll polish, wax, wash, repeat, but don't build motor and motor, and this is why, many times the nicest looking car isn't the best running, unlike mine. I'm impressed with the time on your escort, it's pretty quick for a 4 banging *****, not to sound mean. And, yes, it is faster than a stock 2.8L/3.1L firebird camaro, but we still don't look like sunbirds. But, you might be going in a better direction, you're car is looking up, such as, um, a Rustang. So congrats on that. Also, why would your 4 banger beat our v6, lets see, you said gearing (what is your gearing? curious) larger tires (improves traction but can slow time) and of course weight, but I've got better gear than a 2.77 rear T/A, and am lighter than a 350, and like the 4 banger i also have only 2 less cylinders, so what's up with that. According to your principle of Cubic Inches matter, than our v6 with Two more cylinder than your 4 banger should out run you every time right, i just don't understand. Oh yeah, do those 3rd graders really understand physics?

CaliCamaroRS

more cylinders equals more power???? right??? lets see.....in the 1930's, cadillac produced a V16 which made an astonishing 160 HP. more cylinders doesn't mean jack unless EVERYTHING is tuned for performance.

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Dan
1990 3.1L RS
80 Series Flowmaster
It's fast(er than a 3 cyl metro)

Graeme'sFirebird

hmm...was it just me or did i also see a v6 running 8's? Horsepower tv? ahh **** thats right only a v8 can be that fast **** my bad

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Flowmaster 80 series, Random Technologies Cat, 3" intermediate pipe, SS
Hand Made Tips, 3 1/4" out, Accel 8.8 wires, MSD Coil, MSD Ignition Module,MSD 6A Box
Currently Working On:
T5 swap
Next to buy:
Slp dual cold air intake!

Kyle F

Once more guys onle when the engines are built the same will mor cylinders = more HP. How many times do I have to say it. Cam profile, bore, stroke, Compression ratio, valve size, etc. Then the extra cylinders will make more HP. Damn how many times do I have to say it.

Kyle F

Oh yea and I was making a simple reply satement to monkie about why my car would probably beat his. Other than the fact I can achieve a sub 15.5 in the 1/4 consitintly(5-speed) I was making simple facts. Yes That also mean I have a lot more traction because I am guessing that a 3.1 most likely has an open rear, WellIm turning two at a time with wider tires, also My cams are better because at 4500 the change the profile just like the vtecs do. The change from a low end power curve to an upper end power curve. As far as gearing you must consider you have a front wheel driver so there is no Rear gear, but My guess would be from the RPMs I turn in 5th my best guess would be like a 4.33 ratio if it was in my Trans Am. Now Im not saying weight and gearing and tire size can make up for all the power in the world at all. I am saying that like Monkie feels he has a few mods so with Gearing and weight he can make up for the power difference, well So can my escort. So this Weekend I am out in search a a 2.8 or 3.1 and will be sure to post results. My best guess an full car length at 80mph.
There now flame on that( which I know you will because I guess you have nothing better to do with you time). Heres an Idea stop quoting and write something of your own.

TomP

Oh lord help me! I swear on my car this is the last message I'm posting on this thread.

We were never talking about engines built the same. None of us dispute the idea that I quoted from you; we all know it to be true. But once again: We weren't talking about engine's built the same.

I'm done now.


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Monkie

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kyle F:
I am saying that like Monkie feels he has a few mods so with Gearing and weight he can make up for the power difference, well So can my escort. So this Weekend I am out in search a a 2.8 or 3.1 and will be sure to post results.


Ok Im in a really good mood today so Im not gonna beat on you that much. First off, if you do go on this mad search for a 2.8L or 3.1L to race just to prove us wrong...Make sure it is a 5 speed and has done the following mods...exhaust, TB coolant bypass, 8mm wires, and a cold/ram air intake. Do you get it? You will not be able to say you can beat my car because you beat a 3.1L. That is like me saying I can beat any Mustang GT or Camaro TBI out there. Kyle that has to be the most idiotic thing you have said the whole time.

[B]My best guess an full car length at 80mph.
There now flame on that( which I know you will because I guess you have nothing better to do with you time).
[B]

This is where the 2 cylinders come into place. At speeds thats where you will loose my friend. And I might be totally wrong and anyone please correct me if I am wrong but there is no way in hell you would be a car length in front of me at 80mph.




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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

Kyle F

What ever, I have less wright and better gearing plus a longer torque curve. Speed borther is where you lose, you best bet would be to get me out of the hole becuse of larger displacement you have more torque. I relize that I probably wont finnd a car with the same mods as yours and I really don't care if I do. If I do I probably wont post it here I will post it ove on the Escort bord on another Web site. See the thing is Monkie I dont see anyone on here runnin the times my escort does, Remember when you see a DOHC econo box, you never know what is going on under the hood, yea it may be just stock running low 16 or mayby a high 15, or it could be in the 12's cause I know I have seen them, just like a Grand National Or a Turbo T/A are they 13 sec cars or 9 sec cars, I guess you look for the roll cage. At any rate the weather here sucks this weekend so I imagine no one os going to be out looking for races this weekend.

85f-bird

so the bigger engines aren't as good at the top end. That's just what my friend told me about his 90 T/A with a Tuned Port 305, he said his car would run out of juice after 70mph, and therefore could explain my win against that tired 305 TBI i beat.

CaliCamaroRS

monkie, go down to the corner store and pick up a 12er of bud light. drink it all. then you will realize that, even if you could beat a viper, WHO GIVES A F**K!!!!!!!!!!! damn, hehe, i'm buzzed.

Monkie

....................That one was over my head

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

CaliCamaroRS

yeah, a lot of things go over your head.

importfighter00

Hi. My name is Aaron. I own an 89 Cavalier Z24. I've got a MPFI 2.8 with the stock Muncie built 5 spd. (FDR 3.61). I'm glad that I've found a board that caters to what I belive to be one of the greatest line of V6's ever made. Although I don't own an F-body, I have a great respect for this line of cars. I hope to learn much more about how to tune my 2.8 in the future. I'm sure that this board will help me with any questions about this engine (except for ignition and a couple of other small differences between the front wheel drive and RWD versions of this engine). You can see a list of my mods here: www.jcg.phobia.net/display.php3?id=4. I'm doing to the dyno Mon. so I will post results when I get them. As for an Escort, please, I will gladly race any NA ZX2 or ZX3. I raced a modded ZX3 from a roll last night and I smoked it. It was an automatic though. Congrats Monkie! I'm gonna race a guy with the same kind of camaro soon. His camaro is an auto. too.

Later.

Aaron
89 Z24
2.8L / 5 spd.

85f-bird

welcome to the board Aaron, he those cars like yours are pretty quick, i know, i lost to one.

Monkie

....right, ok.

CaliCamaroRS

ethan71

Ok, here we go. Before i say (type) anything i just want to let everyone know, NO FLAMES INTENDED.

I had my 305 TBI since September now. It took me 7 months to find a nice looking T/A in the condition this one was (and still is, well not really, she even better). I had the chance to race plenty of ppl, including a cop once . Anyways my point is i haven't seen anybody with a V6 or a 4cyl. that is capable of beating me except for one occasion; A Sunfire GT got me. 2nd day I got my car. I launched at 3500, big ,istake with an open rear. I learned my lesson. Lots of rice boys try to get me. Start slowly, not making any indication that he wants to race me, then at 30 mph they floor the damn things and it takes me time to react, nice try, it don't work though. I'm not saying my car is the fastest thing in the world, sure isn't. If you live around where I do, and think ur up for it, I won't mind to race anyone. Another funny thing that happened to me is when an Escort tried to race me, i accidentally put my car in 3rd not 1st, still beat the guy, boy was I pissed. I don't want to sound like Kyle....So if I do, please, I didn't mean to, I'm simply sharing my experiences with you.

Ethan

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'88 T/A
305 TBI with WC-T5
50,000 miles
Flowmaster 3" exhaust
14" K&N Open Element

Monkie

Ethan

No flames taken. It sounds like you have a nice TBI and sounds like it was powerful. When we say we can beat a TBI or V8 we are not talking about cars like yours . So no flames at all taken.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

RenoLB8

I know I'm only contributing to the problem, but for the love of displacement, in the name of all things American made (except Mustangs), LET THE THREAD DIE!!!! There was a question, a slight digression, and then the question was answered. It's done, finished, let it go away in relative peace and harmony, LET THE THREAD DIE!!!!!!!

RIP

-Reno

Tas

wow this thing is still going? DAHAHA...



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'89 Formula WS-6
[soon to be Performace Red =) ]

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

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[This message has been edited by Tas (edited December 10, 2000).]

Jason E

Hehe...if I hadn't started the war on cats, it would have died a long time ago.

Although I can't be entirely to blame...there are those who think on a backroad an Escort GT can keep up with or beat an RS that's being driven properly and is in proper shape. Right...

Tas

lol I helped this girl I know buy an Escort. '96 I think. That thing was fun. 2.0 Zeetek I think. FWD pealouts are somthing else . it was fun as hell but torque steer sucks.

Monkie

Oh I think this is great! I mean who really cares whoes wrong or not? Its just gotten damn funny. And I think I will be holding the most replys on a post record for a long time!! HAHAHA!!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

CaliCamaroRS

i think monkie had an alterior motive when he originally posted this. i remember him asking about who had the longest post or something. well, mission accomplished, monkie. you win.

Monkie

LOL, Im king!! hehe

Tas

aww... you get a banana

CaliCamaroRS

i'll give him a cookie!!! wait, how much HP is that worth????

Ovrclck350

Funny you mentioned that. I dyno'd my car today, then ate a cookie, and dyno'd it again. Turned out a solid 15 HP and 10 ft/lbs torque....

Just kidding.....

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92 Bird 3.1L Auto
Best $750 I ever spent....

DRIVE IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT!

AIM name OVRCLCK350

Jason E

Goddammit, I thought you had something there

Yeah Monkie, this is the post that will never die. Which pisses me off, because I had a post entitled "I beat an LS1 with a Yugo" and only got it up to 20 or so before it died. WTF

CaliCamaroRS

i know, i know.....monkie hacked into the system, stole a couple of passwords, and then procceeded to argue with himself to get the longest post ever.........damn it, i just made this post longer

Monkie

Its like that damn sheep song that never ends!!!!

Monkie

COME ON 150!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!COME ON!!!!!

3.1 firebird

this is still going on?