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Old Jul 11, 2002 | 06:37 AM
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New Firehawk Wheels...center cap question

Does any body know what company made the lens, that says Ronal, that is on the center cap. I want to get one that has that origional Firehawk logo.

I E-mailed Gary at Ronal and he said:"Hi. I can't help w. the Logo's at this time..."

Do you think SLP would help, since they are getting their logo on the same wheels?
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Old Jul 11, 2002 | 02:22 PM
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SLP is worth a try. I can not believe the guy at Ronal just said he could not help you. That is bad business.
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Old Jul 11, 2002 | 02:28 PM
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I doubt SLP will sell you center caps without having the VIN # off an original Firehawk. Even the guys with 4th gens have to give SLP their vin #s to order Firehawk logo parts.

I am looking into getting cap inserts made that mimic the WS6 caps I have already on my stock wheels.

Let us know what you find out!
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Old Jul 12, 2002 | 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by cg91ta
I doubt SLP will sell you center caps without having the VIN # off an original Firehawk. Even the guys with 4th gens have to give SLP their vin #s to order Firehawk logo parts.

I am looking into getting cap inserts made that mimic the WS6 caps I have already on my stock wheels.

Let us know what you find out!
cg91ta,
That was actually my first idea. But I thought it might be easier to get the Firehawk logo. Let me know if you find a place. Maybe we can do a group purchase going. I am sure there are other people who want the same thing.

Did you get your wheels painted red? I ordered them the standard color. I wanted something a little dirrerent, since my car is red also. Post some pics when you get them.
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Old Jul 12, 2002 | 10:49 AM
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You could probably find a firehawk vin # off one off ebay when their for sale there......
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Old Jul 12, 2002 | 10:51 AM
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Hey i just looked and their is a bunch of Vin #'s their for firehawks...... here is the VIN # from a 2000 Black SLP firehawk
VIN# 2G2FV22G6Y2107778
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Old Jul 12, 2002 | 12:31 PM
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I ordered the wheels painted red identical to the 92 Firehawks. I'm still waiting for them. I continue to get the Ronal broken record. I'm glad some people got their wheels already.

As soon as I get the wheels I can start the centercap process. I can't get any questions answered from Ronal (not even lug nut size.) I'll definitely pass on any information I get.

Let us know if SLP can help with the caps. I'm one that thinks that badges/logos are like wedding rings, if you aren't mariried you don't wear the ring now do you?

It was my understanding the vin# had to be from the year/model the parts were being ordered for, but you never know. It was also my understanding the "new" version they are selling would come with SLP centercaps, and not Firehawk. I could be interested in those centercaps if the price was right.

My tires are sitting in the garage. It hurts to see 4 brand new 275/40/ZR17 Firestone Firehawk SZ50EP's sitting there when they should be on the car.

Soon. I hope.
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Old Jul 12, 2002 | 09:02 PM
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Firestone owns the copyright to that firehawk logo.

Chris,

I spoke to Gary@Ronal today. Says the rims are at the painter now and will be done next week. So, that means we will get our rims in October. I am all paid up on mine too....

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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 09:29 PM
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Anybody else interested in these center caps?
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Old Jul 18, 2002 | 06:09 PM
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Yes I am interested in a set for mine.

I have also been looking at the 4th Gen WS6 cap in black. It is the same diameter. But I have not figured out how to cut the back of it off to make it flush so I can mount it in the R-15 cap.

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Old Jul 18, 2002 | 09:32 PM
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Yes I am interested in a set for mine.

I have also been looking at the 4th Gen WS6 cap in black. It is the same diameter. BUt I have not figured out how to cut the back of it off to make it flush so I can mount it in the R-15 cap.

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Hmmm... That is another idea, a 4th gen WS6 cap. Do you happen to have a pic of that cap?

Now which wheel is that, the 17" that came on the '96 to '99 Formula or T/A, with the WS6 package? That cap is the same diameter? I measured th e R-15 and it looks to be between 2.875" to 3".

Now is it not a plastic lens, with an adhesive back, stuck to some sort of a clip that snaps in the wheel? I heard heat weakens the glue and a hair dryer should work.

I'll do some more research on this topic.
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Old Jul 18, 2002 | 11:26 PM
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Here is a picture of the cap. It was used on all 97-02 WS6 17 T/A wheels.

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Old Jul 18, 2002 | 11:29 PM
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Here is the WS6 center cap laid on the new Ronal R-15 wheel cap.

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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 08:29 AM
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That looks like it doesn't fit, or needs some trimming. Correct?

I'm liking the way it looks, now if it were just in red...
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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 10:52 AM
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It looks like it is the same size, but the back of it needs to be removed. The back has tongs all around the outer edge for a press fit in the center openinig of the 17" WS6 wheel. I am not sure how to remove this part of it without destroying the cap.

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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 12:11 PM
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Are the tabs plastic or metal? I would think you could use a cut-off wheel on a Dremel or something?

What is GM's part number/price for that cap?

Thanks!

Chris
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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 02:36 PM
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The Ronal caps are just plain ugly. I was under the impression that the Firehawk or SLP logos would be on the centercaps. Has anyone had any luck with changing centers yet? There is a hole in the back of the centercap where you could probably break out the Ronal plastic and put in some new emblems...IFFFF you could find the Firehawk or SLP center caps. PLEASE let any of us know if you find them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:hail:
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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 09:15 PM
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cg91ta,
It looks like it is the same size, but the back of it needs to be removed. The back has tongs all around the outer edge for a press fit in the center openinig of the 17" WS6 wheel. I am not sure how to remove this part of it without destroying the cap.

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Dave,
Where did you get those caps. Do you have a part number for them?

Take some pics of the back side of that cap and post them so we could take a look.

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Old Jul 21, 2002 | 07:31 PM
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The caps are available through GM and the part number is 9592700.

Here is a picture of the back of the cap.

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Old Jul 21, 2002 | 07:32 PM
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Here is another view.

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Old Jul 21, 2002 | 11:16 PM
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GTA Dave, What is the size of the centercap versus the Ronal/Firehawk Centers? Thanks!
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Old Jul 22, 2002 | 05:50 AM
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Ahhh... it looks like it is an aluminum button with the ends bent around the plactic snap on piece.

Doesn't look like we can use this. Anybody else have any other ideas?
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Old Jul 22, 2002 | 06:35 AM
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It looks plastic to me, but even if it's not I think it's still usable. The main thing is the difference in size.... If it's a lot bigger then we'll have to shave some of it off on a lathe.
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Old Jul 22, 2002 | 11:53 AM
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It is an aluminum button with the ends bent around the plactic snap on piece.

I will measure the Ronal cap and the WS6 cap tonight when I get home.

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What I am doing is having the center caps made by a machine shop then sending them out to be engraved. I had to take a hair dryer to heat the center cap up and it still didnt all come out as one peice. I will post pics if anyone is interested in the future when I have them done.
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Old Jul 22, 2002 | 09:32 PM
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Both Caps are 3" in diameter.

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Frobozz, lets see what you get. Post them pics. This is another way I might go.

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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 03:05 PM
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I'm going to order a set of those WS6 caps and take a stab at it myself. I'll let ya'll know how it turns out.

edit: whew, that's over $12 a piece my cost. oh well, i ordered them :lala:

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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 06:08 PM
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Caps and lugs included w. all wheels

We, RONAL, are making these wheels, and NATURALLY, they come w. RONAL lenses...you can change them out as you wish, but we as a manufacturer will put our lenses in them...this is NORMAL. I do not have access to any other logo's---and from the sound of things...it's a bit difficult...hence..I can't help w. this!!

All the wheels will come w. lug nuts, etc.

The wheels are available at this time, and those of you who ordered the wheels "CUSTOM PAINTED" will soon receive the wheels...as they are coming back from being CUSTOM PAINTED...
you can read my earlier posting today, about the updates on these wheels...
I hope this answers some of your concerns..
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Come up with some better looking RONAL caps and we'll sport your logos.
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Originally posted by JMatlock88
I'm going to order a set of those WS6 caps and take a stab at it myself. I'll let ya'll know how it turns out.

edit: whew, that's over $12 a piece my cost. oh well, i ordered them :lala:
Post some pics when your done. I might do this too.
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Does anyone know what the diameter of the inner part of the WS6 cap is I'm trying to find some center caps for a set of wheels on my car. I need some that are 2.75" dia on the inside where it attaches to the wheel.
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Does anyone know what the diameter of the inner part of the WS6 cap is I'm trying to find some center caps for a set of wheels on my car. I need some that are 2.75" dia on the inside where it attaches to the wheel.
What kind of wheels are those? I think it is 2.75"

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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 11:07 AM
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Since SLP is now selling them with their own center cap, does anyone know if SLP will sell their cap seperately?
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I think the Ronal lenses look fine. I'm going to leave them in unless I can get the original Firehawk ones.
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I think the Ronal lenses look fine. I'm going to leave them in unless I can get the original Firehawk ones.
Post some pics!
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Originally posted by JMatlock88
I'm going to order a set of those WS6 caps and take a stab at it myself. I'll let ya'll know how it turns out.

edit: whew, that's over $12 a piece my cost. oh well, i ordered them :lala:
Get those WS6 centercaps yet? Did ya manage to mount them? How do they look?
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Old Aug 6, 2002 | 01:15 AM
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They're here and they look great... I will attempt the swap late this week. I will keep you posted and submit some pictures. See ya!
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Cool!!!! I can't wait to see them.
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I unsucessfully installed the front wheels this weekend (needs spacers!!? **** Ronal didnt send me any!), so the center caps are on hold for the moment. I'll take another look at doing the center caps after I straighten this out with Ronal on monday.
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You don't need spacers. You need 1LE brakes
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Old Aug 17, 2002 | 10:30 AM
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Well, not so much the brakes as the 1LE spindles, as they bring the tie rod end in a little so that it clears the wheel rim. Did you have any luck with Ronal? If so, any pictures yet?
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Well, not so much the brakes as the 1LE spindles, as they bring the tie rod end in a little so that it clears the wheel rim. Did you have any luck with Ronal? If so, any pictures yet?
No they don't. The tie rod assy. is not relocated on the 1LE spindles. The difference in the spindles is strictly in the mods for the brake caliper mounting. The offset difference is because the B-body 12" rotor (which is what all the 1LE rotors sold *are*, other than bolt pattern) moves the mounting surface outwards. Period.
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Ok my misunderstanding. I was repeating what I had been told. Sorry if I mislead anyone.
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I had luck with Ronal... they overnighted me the spacers and everything worked out fine. Here are some pictures of the motor and wheels. It's in the garage so I cant get a full shot at it, but it's high ridin' right now anyway because of the engine being out.
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Old Aug 19, 2002 | 06:49 AM
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Nice setup. What's the specs on the motor?

Cool, you got the silver R-15 too. The Ronal center caps still on there? Do they really look that good in person on a red car. I have not had a chance to mount mine yet, finishing T-56 swap.
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Old Aug 19, 2002 | 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by cg91ta
I doubt SLP will sell you center caps without having the VIN # off an original Firehawk. Even the guys with 4th gens have to give SLP their vin #s to order Firehawk logo parts.

I am looking into getting cap inserts made that mimic the WS6 caps I have already on my stock wheels.

Let us know what you find out!
That's the coolest looking thirdgen I've ever seen. :hail: cg91ta
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Old Aug 19, 2002 | 02:19 PM
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Car: 1991 Formula
Engine: 355 DFI Superram w/ R-Trim
Transmission: Probuilt 700r4
Originally posted by '91 Formula
Nice setup. What's the specs on the motor?
Cool, you got the silver R-15 too.
Yep, after talking to lots of folks, most liked the unpainted version the best. Suits me...saved me $80 some odd per wheel! They really are beautiful wheels. The motor is a 350 with a forged steel crank, forged TRW pistons, some aftermarket worked I beams, and the usual name brand hardware to suport such a motor. The heads are 100% cnc ported 68cc chamber street AFR 195s. It is 10.7:1 and sports crane race gold rockers and hyd roller lifters. The cam is 110, 224/224, .560/.560. HPC coated Hooker supercomp longtubes with a mufflex ypipe will pipe out the fumes and a stealth ram with lingenfelter 58mm and svo 30s make up the top end.


The Ronal center caps still on there? Do they really look that good in person on a red car. I have not had a chance to mount mine yet, finishing T-56 swap.
[/QUOTE] I'm not a big fan of the center caps, but at this point the centercaps are the least of my concerns. They honestly dont look bad...it's just a matter of personal preference. I do have a new set of centercaps in the above posts that I am looking forward to trying out fairly soon.
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