Typical 4th Genners...(and I own two of them, at least for now)...if something didn't come straight out off of the T Byrne website, or out of GMHTP, they can't appreciate it. Of all the groups of car people I have ever been associated with...55-57 Chevy, 62-67 Nova, 86-87 GN, 79-93 Mustang...they are by FAR the least imaginative. They are the first to scream "rice", while they drive around in their bellybutton cars, with their bellybutton mods. Most aren't car people at all; they're usually 20 something technogeeks that think their new Ram Air TA is FINALLY going to get them some .Most don't even work on their own cars! Funny, they're always posting threads on Camaro Z28.com wondering why the ricers get all the girls!:sillylol:

 

Hey I gotta back up my baby!

Thanks for noticing the details! Joe said that attention to detail is how you can tell the car belongs to a girl. He said no guy would ever take it as far as I did.

I saw a red BanditII on a trailer on Sunday. It was a 82-90 style though. It was the first time I had seen one in person. I wanted to crawl up on the trailer and check out the inside, but I knew I would give someone a heartattack. That was a pretty wild package. I was scoping out the frt gfx. The rear was cool how it had a cut out for the exhaust tips.

 

This board and all of its members know that with any praise comes a little critisism. If you or she can't take it then don't post. We all have different tastes thats what makes us and our cars all different. I can tell you one thing for sure. I may have a <yawn> stock looking IROC, but that was my plan. It was meant to look stock. But guess what.... I walk soft and carry a big stick. That means don't judge a book by its cover, cause all your going to see is taillights And no, I will never tell ANYONE what the mods are. Its still all stock looking under the hood too. After this winter its still going to look as stock as it does now, but it'll be running a few seconds quicker down the 1/4 mile, and to me thats all that matters. To you and your woman shows and trophies are what you're all about from what I've seen. And thats OK, like I said we're all different. But the mods done to "REDRAIF " is nothing short of tasteless in my book. Sorry if YOU can't handle any critisism.

 

Figures. I was just curious to see if it was someone I was showing with. They all seemed really nice.

The funny thing about them getting upset...It means they had to have known my name or number because 5 of us had redish cars. Heck they called the candy car red. Its funny when people who hate you or your car pay that much attention & get their panties in a wad when you win in a class they are not even competing in. Its funny how they make such a fool of themselves too. Cause if you heard them, you know others did too. Yeah, and the judge is going to give a POS a 1st place trophy, right! Idiots! Though I guess this means I better go watch the 4thgen sites for someone to be trashing my car.

I would love to see the shots you got. Thanks alot!

 

Taste"less", no! Just not to your taste. Me saying something has nothing to do with critisism or not. I'm not so thin skinned. If I was I would not post here anymore. But maybe we should reread your post. What you did is go beyond offering critisim.

Why yes calling the judges blind, thats helpful. It offers something constructive.

You did congradulate me and thanks for that.

Well so you would not like to look at it, ok your opinion. But then you start with the "rice" crap. I already showed how that was unwarrented. Calling something "rice" is not critisism...it has become a slur. Its a way for you stock guys to feel all high and mighty. You get to play bullies and name call behind a screen with your keyboard. Anything thats different is rice, wow the definition sure has expanded. See it is not rice because it is recognizable as a Firebird. It has all 3rd gen parts.

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I would have been pissed to lose to that car too and it wouldn't have anything to do with jealously, just the judges must have just flown in from an import show.

The car was showing in a Heavy custom class. Custom cars are supposed to look different. That's the point. Like it or not the judges were impressed, period. They don't give out pity awards!

The worst part of all this is agian I did not ask your opinion on the car, but you just had to offer it up didn't you. That was the point Joe was making in his reply to you.

Moral: Learn some tact and people will let you speak your mind w/o jumping on you.

OK on to todays:

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This board and all of its members know that with any praise comes a little critisism. If you or she can't take it then don't post. We all have different tastes thats what makes us and our cars all different.

Point I made above. What you offered is not critisim. Just name calling and trashing something w/o being asked. Again, I never asked your opinion.

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I can tell you one thing for sure. I may have a <yawn> stock looking IROC, but that was my plan. It was meant to look stock. But guess what.... I walk soft and carry a big stick. That means don't judge a book by its cover, cause all your going to see is taillights And no, I will never tell ANYONE what the mods are. Its still all stock looking under the hood too. After this winter its still going to look as stock as it does now, but it'll be running a few seconds quicker down the 1/4 mile, and to me thats all that matters.

Good for you. I'm sure is a nice looking "stock" car. I just did not want the stock look anymore. I had the car stock for 10 years and got board in 99 and decided to add the flare I always wanted.

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To you and your woman shows and trophies are what you're all about from what I've seen. And thats OK, like I said we're all different.

Oh, and I am NO ONE'S WOMAN. I"M MY OWN PERSON & I BELONG TO NO ONE. Trophies are not all that I'm about. If you knew anything about me, you would no better than that. I started with what I could do myself: looks. Yes that is mostly what shows are about, but I do more than show. I came in 2nd the first time I ever bracket raced. I went up against a guy who was the high school champion bracket racer. The car also has its suspension set up for autocrossing, another thing I'm interested in.

See, now we are deciding on what V-8 we will be swapping in. I would watch out if I were you. The car will be 400 + hp at the rear wheels and will run a min. of high 11s on motor alone (no blower or nitrous). Your goals?

 

"Criticism" is one thing; being a jerk about it is something else entirely!If you had anything constructive to say it would be welcomed. Oohhh...you will never tell anyone what your mods are...
...I guess you're like all the ricers with their full race heads and other mods you can't "see" . BTW this is the appearance and detailing section...not the place to be posting about performance mods...but they are in the works as soon as the show season is over. Within 6 months the car will have either an LS1 or LT1, either with enough HP for you. Next year we'll be racing as much as showing, and doing well at both. If you want to criticize some more, feel free to PM me. This isn't the place for flames.

 

Thanks for this Mike! Honestly I felt a bit weird jumping on you. It seemed like you were aiming to be somewhat nice about it and got carried away. Again I have no problems with critisim and everyone is entitled to an opinion, just let it be tactful and helpful. All is good! No wars! I will post this just to show the moderators we can be grown ups here!

 

very nice car. I love the way you customized it. I wish I had a girlfriend with a car like that!!!! hehe

what did the paint run you?

 

by the way. I am interested in buying that exhaust with the quad pipes. I found out that SLP carries it, but they specified it for the fourth gen camaro only. May I ask where you got it?

 

I was told that the quad exhaust or any center outlet exhaust won't fit 3rd gens because of the storage well in the rear behind the bumper. Did you have to modify that redraif?

I was thinking...that car would be sweet with a 3.8 Turbo V6. That would make it different. And the parts are obtainable from the 89 TTA's and grand nationals. Any way you go just as long as its fast

 

IROC57TPI, thanks for the apology...hopefully I wasn't too harsh on you!

The exhaust was custom done; nothing was modified on the car really. The muffler shop (All Pro Muffler in Jonesboro, GA) just brought the outlets towards the center and split them. They were pretty careful to keep them straight and even. The SLP exhaust might not fit, not sure there, but any good muffler shop could do this for you regardless of your cat back. In Shannon's case, its a Flowmaster (muffler only).

There are pictures on her site of the exhaust from below, not sure what page...probably one of the later ones.

 

I would have to agree, thats some domestic rice.

 

Geez, another one...

 

Dammit Eric STFU! We just put the fire out and you gotta be the last burning coal

Oh, and hey Eric- appreciate it for the time, money, and blood, sweat and tears that went into it. Peoples cars express their individuality. I like yours, you like mine- so i guess we like ours, but you gotta understand what goes into them to truly appreciate it. You know all the hard work you've done to your car. What if someone called it "stock"? "Looks like a stock Trans Am"...and thats OK if you want it to look that way, but if not you'd be quick to correct them and point out all of the things they're overlooking.

You know me though...i guess i'm too outspoken and like my "stock" car

 

Shannon,

Your car rocks no matter what! I guess people have the love it or hate it attitude towards your car because of how extreme it is.

I LOVE IT! When I first saw your car I was skeptical. But the more I saw it and the more I read your post and noticed your attitude towards your work and how you take pride in it and even seeing the pictures of how good of craftsmanship you have...or craftswomanship.

EXCELLENT work on the car. It looks soooo awsome now with the new paint job. I don't care what motor you have in the car or anyones car for that matter. I don't have any room to boast or trash talk anyones motor, I drive a four cylinder bird! That was the car I could afford my senior year in college and it has served me well and it is my first car and I restored it myself! So Im proud of it no matter what. Trust me ive been dawged about it too. I don't care.

Keep up the great work on your car and congratulations on the T/A nats!

Here is an artwork I put together for you in honor of your car. You may or may not have noticed the Desktop Wallpapers thread I started....well I was iching to do your car and I saw your new paint pictures so I helped myself.

I hope you like it an I hope it did your car justice. Im starting a new business doing these wallpapers to let you know. Im emailing you a larger picture in the 1024x768 format....

You have great talent in your work and a great group of people to work with.

Later!

 

That looks awesome!!! Thanks!!! Shannon's not online right now (we're on the phone), but I'll tell her to check it out!!!

 

Wow!!!! I don't Know what to say....
:hail: :hail: :hail:

That is so INCREDIBLE!!!
Its so AWESOME!!!

:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

I feel so honored!!! You are so TALENTED!!!

THANK YOU!!!! (blushing)

 

Your welcome. I love it when people use !!! at the end of every sentence. Makes me feel special.

seriously, I only ask one thing of you REDRAIF....that is to print the larger size that I emailed you.. and frame it.....when you go to your next car show. Set it up and show it off....in your engine bay or somewhere....I think it will be an awsome addition to your show car! Take a few pics of your car and the picture at a show and post them on the boards.

Im going into business making these images for car shows. I will make them a desktop picture like I did for you then I will also print out an 8x10 size of it so they can show it with their car.

 

Ok now that I'm done staring in amazement. Its on my computer already...

Exhaust pics:

 

You better believe I will. That will look great with my display at shows. I will have to copy it to a disk and get the pros to print it out on some good paper. I don't think my color printer will do it justice. Hey if you get some cards made up I will put some out with the display. Or at least tell me what you want it to say and I can make up some on the computer to pass out. I think there will be alot of interest at the shows. We wanted to put out a copy of the mention of me in the Pontiac High Performance Mag, as well as the Super Chevy win mention. That will go perfect with them!

 

As Joe said they did what they could to not cause any restrictions in the flow. I told them what I wanted and they went to work. took them almost all day to do that and a few other things, but they did it for a great price.

Another angle on the exhaust:

 

Id be proud to own that car redraif. Just because it doesnt run 10's doesnt mean its a bad car people. IF we all drove and had the same thigns under our hood what fun woudl it be goign to car shows or track days?


I say screw allt he naysayers, if you liek yrou car, then thats good enough for me to liek your car.

 

eh, whatever then. I guess if an import dude came on here with a ram air hood on his honda civic, that red "thing" coming across the top of her winsheild, those rims and the color red everywhere on the car including the interior and exterior and the freaking tires and then with a 20 second dial in time for the 1/4 mile then um yeah, he/she wouldn't be harrased and called a ***** would he? Jesus, give me a break. You guys are all "Its great what she did to her car cause she put time and money into" Hey, if I throw on a 4 foot wing on the back of my car and it costed me 500 bucks and an hour outside to bolt it on and make the holes for it, do I get trophy too because I spent money and put time into tasteless mods and your guy's aproval? I highly doubt it.

 

brah you dont understand. its a *show* car. its made for *shows* ... not to impress you. but whatevers ... think whatever you want. no matter what you say, it has been said before ... and the subject has been beaten to death.

 

You are one clueless son of a b*tch!!!

a)Its not an import...its a Firebird. A Firebird that has won trophies at three national events this year (two of them documented, in Super Chevy Magazine and High Performance Pontiac)...so STFU.

b) A stock 2.8 runs in the mid 17s. The run in question was with severe backfiring and the check engine light on...it was done for diagnostic purposes more than anything else. Did we say it was fast? No. With the repairs done since then, it should run times more in keeping with a 140k mile 2.8...probably better. As far as being slow, you have no room to talk. A TBI 305 isn't going to do much better, whether its "not stock" or not!!! Its as big a joke as a 2.8. So get your head out of your a$$, you're driving a slow car too!!!

c)Do you see any four foot high wings? I don't. Of course its probably hard for you to actually look, with your head being up your a$$!

d) The spoiler only "costed" her about $60 (what a freaking moron...what, are you a kindergarten dropout or something?I guess hooked on phonics didn't work for you)...for the parts. She modified them herself, did the bodywork on the decklid, installed them... she probably has more time in the one mod than you have in your whole car.

e) No, you don't get a trophy too. Instead of actually learning from this board, and applying it to your own car,you would rather make fun of anything different from the norm. Why don't you take the time you're wasting here and actually do something constructive with it? Shannon gets trophies because she works hard on her car, harder than 99% of the people I know. If you can't see the effort is far more than bolting on a spoiler, you're an idiot.

If you don't like it, fine...if you think its tasteless, fine. The point is, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT ! WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK! We didn't put this car together to please some pussnutted a$$wipe on a message board, or even show judges for that matter. It's HER car, built to HER tastes, for HER enjoyment.



BTW...isn't a non-functional Ram Air hood (not ducted to the engine) a true sign of a *****?

 

sorry, but i have to agree with 91Bird305 and IROC57TPI

 

Did you not READ any of the above?

 

I have yet to see an import with a truely functional Ram Air hood, so on the merits that is non-functional...That would be rice. Oh and by the way your ASCD Ram Air hood is non-functional. So who's rice is howing.

Well I did it because I have and extreme sensitivity to light and have to have something more than visors. And legally it could not be tinted to match the car. Transparent red is never allowed on the windshield. Messes with the way you see traffic lights. I thought about black tint, but the factory pretinted the top of my windshield and it looked like crap having 2 diff colors on the top of the windshield. So my option was red. Top and bottom for glare control. We took it off a few weeks back to redo it and the car looked naked w/o it. It gives the car a chopped look and I like it. But it serves a purpose non the less!

You make it sound like I painted all my panels red in the car. Geez, its a little bit of piping and accenting. Man corvettes come with more red than that standard from the factory. Guess their rice too? Rims don't make you a *****. Tons of people have 17 in aftermarket rims. So you don't like the style, oh well. I didn't like the typical rims people run on 3rd gens, so what. The tires are good quality tires and they match the car, so what.

Well you looked on my page long enough to find my 1/4 mile time when the car was very ill. But you managed to neglect to mention that fact. You also forgot to mention that even thought the car was sick and overly slow, I still managed to get runner up in brackets my first time trying. That I lost to a champion bracket racer. Did you happen to mention the dyno times that followed a few monthes later showing that the car was back running at stock HP and that the torque was above stock, nope. I'm sure when the car is rolling and making use of its functioal "RAM AIR" hood the HP numbers will prove better than stock.

In my book, anyone who just adds simple bolt ons is doing themselves a diservice. See I have put way more timne that $ in the car. This is what the other recognize. I creat things that otherwise would not exist. So you don't like it, don't do it. No one is holding a gun to your head. You need to create and think. The sad truth is most import guys have shops do the work for them. They can't even add a simple bolt on piece. But all my body & interior mods, plus electrical mods (stereo, lights) have been done by me. Heck before I got the Ram Air hood I had designed my own Ram/cold air induction that is way more efficient then the aftermarket ones. It took cold air coming in from below the car and forced it to my intake. Now, Joe is teaching me about the mechanicals. He is teaching me as we go. If I didn't do it this time, I will next time. The fact is the engine going in this car soon, will be built by me with Joe's guidence. See that's the difference b/w me and "ricers".

Oh, and if your 4-foot tall wing was funtional (downforce on a RWD car), I would say good job for the performance upgrade! If it is what you like!

 

Just a quick side note:

As far as my winning at the show. My car is not perfect, far from it. But none of the cars were perfect. But there were enough things that if the judges actually hated the car, they could have hung me out to dry. But they didn't & that's the point! You may not like its style or mine, but it was put together well and exectuted well...That's why I won!

I say again...National events don't give out pity awards people.

 

LoL, ok ok, LT1 guy. You guys can say all you like but when Revlimit posted his picture of his ride all I saw were "That is rice" and "That is one sick ride" and all he had was a wing and f-cked up graphics. This chick demolished her car and turned it into the Kool-Aid machine. But you guys compliment her car for some reason and dis Revlimit's. Hmm, I wonder why? Maybe because some of you think cause she is a chick she deserves special treatment or something, I don't know.

BTW: My 305 TBI is not slow for a 305 TBI car. Its faster then a stock 305 TPI ride and has run a 15.1 in the 1/4 mile with no internal mods (intake,cam,heads) which is pretty damn impressive for the LO3 engine, so you can f-ck off with that comment. Her's is a 17 second ride and she gained 3 more seconds in the 1/4 mile...the opposite way. Hahaha.
My head isn't in my ***, your head is up her *** for some reason. Are you 2 going out or something? Cause you seriously are clueless if you don't think that is domestic rice. And no I didn't browse her website, I saw a picture of it over at another message board. Beilive it or not, a **** load of people think you guys are retarded for saying this retarded **** not calling that rice and are laughing there asses off about it. That car belongs on a new show they should start up on Speedvision called "Domestic Tuners"
Actually Mike agrees with me too, its rice. But everyone has to be so politcally correct on here or judgemental people get booted.

 

LoL, ok I will use that excuse and get praises for it.

 

The only reason u one that award is because that is the style nowadays. Rice is in and just having a very nice looking stock on the outside and inside car is not. Kinda sucks but oh well. Not all shows are like that still thank ***. There was a local show in davison where this kid in his neon green honda civic beat these other sweet lookin old muscle cars because he put more time into appearance mods then he did his engine like this old muscle dudes (which is bull**** cause you put a lot of time keeping that paint from the factory looking great and other stuff from the factory looking good.) but if you have a 3000 stereo system, ridiculous expensive paint job and a 500 wing on the back with your 3000 rims and your "custom" ground effects then you get more praise cause you put more money into it and it looks flashy. Pretty sad what the car scene has turned into. 4 years ago your car would have gotten laughed off the race scene, now everyone is more into cars looking like that (I bet it has red neons too doesn't it?). Oh well, life goes on. I am done talking about it now, spoke what I had to say. Lt1 guy, be my guest and continue your overuse of the quote button. :sillylol:

 

Dude, I agree 100%. Trends come and go, but muscle always prevails.

 

Do hunh? Talk about left field.

Uh, thats because it was sick at the time. Do you hear/read? Ever chased an drivability prob. Dealers could not find it. No mechanics could. So we tracked it and finally found it. I'll be sure and PM you the results. How about you go run down the track with 90% of your parts having 140,000 miles and with the check engine light on. Lets see how you do!

Oh so that explains your attitude! Let me guess...3rdgen.org &/or CamaroZ28.com. Amazing what goes on behind ones back. Bunch of whiners.

Sice when has tact been a bad thing. You just have to back up what you say. But nobody proved their point. And again it wasn't asked for!

 

I don't care if you call it domestic rice or not...by the definition used by narrow minded F-body owners, it is. It doesn't look stock...and that is the new definition of rice, as defined by people with still slow 15 second third gens. The whole "rice" thing is nothing but a way for people with slow, uninteresting cars to bash the guys with cars that are getting noticed. Its jealousy...they get the movies, the commercials, the girls, and yes, the ATTENTION you're not getting with your Firebird. There isn't even enough interest in F-bodies to keep the cars in production! BTW go brag to any "*****" how your V8 Firebird runs 15s, and they'll laugh they're a$$es off! Most any of those fartpiped, big winged Hondas around here would WASTE you, and then laugh about the guy with the slow old ******* car.

I don't think anybody deserves "special" treatment...if you don't like something say so, but there's no need to be a ***** about it.

My head is up no ones a$$. I have been there working on this car right alongside Shannon, and yes we are dating, and I'm sick and tired of worthless punks like you with dime a dozen, boring cars taking every opportunity to knock her and her car. We don't care if you don't like it...we don't like your car either!!!!

If you're up to the challenge, we'll be in Ohio for the Nats again next year...how would you like to bring out your "not stock LO3":sillylol: for a race? You're not afraid to race a girl driving a "domestic *****" are you? I've got $500 on her. Put your money where your mouth is.

 

My winning has nothing to do with the "in" thing. I was in a custom class and the car is a custom car. It has nothing to do with stock or not being better. That's up to the individual to decide on their own car. I was not competing against stock cars. Anyway a real car show is not about how many mods you have done...its about presentation and cleanliness. Does the car go together, do the mods look professional? That's what a real car show considers. How close did you look at the kids car that one. Maybe he is not the typical import guy. Maybe he did the car right. My car sits in the middle of everything. It has some import styling, but is an american car. Neither side accepts it, but its the car I want.

 

When my car has its new engine it will have its own style and the power to slap it to the naysayers.

 

this thread is on a one way track to lockville.

 

You know it is amazing how when people don't like something they have to raise a stink so the thread will get locked. Its not enough to voice your opinion, but to do it in a way to start a flame war. Mature!

 

Kinda funny how the guy with a "ram air" hood decides to speak up, especially since ram air on cars is a myth, i guess that means your hood is rice then 91 bird305?

 

Read what u just wrote.....

 

Go look up the science behind ram air, and youll see ram air is a myth on cars, especialy a tbi 305, thus your hood is purely for looks, and by your definitiont hat means its rice. RICE RICE RICE. Gotta love having your ideology turned around on you dont it......

 

Your right, GM are liars. Ram air is bull**** and its a huge lie. Ram air is an increase of air flow. Actually the car is setup up for cowl induction. i cut out the back of it recently, leaving a .5" from the top and routed it to my open element. I would have liked to set it up for ram air but the box and snorkels for the setup cost 125.00 and I rather just do the cowl induction for now and then ram air setup later when I have 125.00 to blow...I am short on cash right now but what fbody owning college student isn't right?

So I guess I ain't rice since it isn't just show....hmm oh well. RICE RICE RICE. :sillylol: :sillylol: Do yourself a favor and don't talk anymore...

 

bahahah ncie try and getting out of your ricerness. Your 305 is all show, no go, you even have stickers in your engine bay, guess thats rice too.ram air myth, one of billions of pages about this....

 

LoL, stickers on my engine? One edelbrock sticker on my engine bay is rice? Hmm, ok dude. Like I said before, your making yourself look like an idiot....

 

Why do pro mod guys have ram air scoops on there drag cars then? Must be for propaganda.

Really doesn't matter to me since its setup for cowl induction, but thats probably a myth too. :sillylol:

 

Are you sponsored by edelbrock?

 

Ram air really does not come into play much until you get in the upper MPHs. Say 100+. Until then it really is more of a cold Air system. The engine is sucking air in at a higher velocity than can be pushed in until you get up there is speed. But at speeds below this point is is an extremly efficient cold air system. His point was that your hood the ASCD does not even provide that. It does not have a sealed air box. So it provides no more functionality then a stock hood.

That might have been his point. least thats how I took it.

 

Ram air, and cold air or 2 different things. Physics says ram air is a myth at speeds that cars reach. Plain and simple, you bought into the hype, bought a hood for looks. Then you go and try to flame red raif for buying stuff for looks on her show car. Just because you dont liek it, doesnt mean its rice or that its not good. In fact, it makes you a hypocrit for flmaing her, on what you did yourself.

 

LoL, keep it up, your lookin real good.