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Old Oct 12, 2001 | 05:11 PM
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DRL's on a thirdgen... -- pics

here are my DRL's on my camaro. the pic shows the lighting differences from the parking lamps to the "DRLs"

<img src= "http://www.nconnect.net/~briones/drls.jpg">

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Old Oct 12, 2001 | 05:45 PM
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What Are DRL'S????
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Old Oct 12, 2001 | 05:48 PM
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day time running lights?
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Old Oct 12, 2001 | 05:49 PM
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Old Oct 12, 2001 | 07:50 PM
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Ok ok...you must tell how you did that. I've been wanting to do that but I've heard 10 different things on how to do it...

please tell!
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Old Oct 12, 2001 | 08:27 PM
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here is the link...

http://www.jacksonville.net/~bcdavis...e_made_drl.htm
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Old Oct 12, 2001 | 09:39 PM
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Sounds very interesting to me. Looks alot brighter than the normal ones durning the day.

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Old Oct 13, 2001 | 12:58 AM
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just as bright as the "Glow" from the new 4th gens. I went on the Midwest F-Body Association cruise last weekend, and the DRL's on them inspired me to do the same to my car.
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Old Oct 13, 2001 | 01:14 AM
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Good work man, I would think this would be ALOT easier on firebird's because they turn signals are so much easier to get to. Pop the hood, and bam, there they are! Im gonna do this soon probably, and Ill let you know how it works out on Firebirds

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Old Oct 13, 2001 | 11:04 AM
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Looks sweet. I always wanted mine brighter. How long did it take you? I'm an idiot when it comes to electronics, so I don't know if I'm gonna attempt this.

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Old Oct 13, 2001 | 11:49 AM
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Being you are so close to Canada, I suspected it could have been a Canada delivered car. Did you include the photo-electric sensor in the dash pad that senses daylight and automatically turns on or off the DRL's?

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Old Oct 13, 2001 | 05:56 PM
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no... it's a US car. didn't DRL's become manditory in 1990 or 1991??? (in Canada) My car is an '88

it took me an hour (in the dark) and 20 minutes the next day (afternoon) to do it in my driveway @ nighttime, w/ a flashlight so I could see better. I had to take out my parking lamps, first - because it was easier to wire and second, -- my wires have already been spliced into by my foglights.

the firebirds can be done in less than half an hour. I did the mod to my girlfriend's '94 grand prix the next day and it look me about half an hour, and it is similar to the firebirds. I still haven't finished hers, because I haven't found a switch @ the local radio shack that I liked.

I haven't bought a relay yet. so it's not 100% the same as the links directions. the only hitch is that I have to flip the switch off when I want to use my turn signals. my guess is that I haven't installed the relay yet. (i don't understand why it's needed.) The guy who made these directions told me that when I would replace the thermal flasher w/ the electronic one, that I wouldn't have to switch them off. that might be so w/ the 4th gens, but not ours. it's no big deal though, I have the switch mounted in a good spot so it's not a hassle @ all to flip them off and on.

I installed the "DRL's" on monday, and I'll keep everyone updated, my guess is that the relay is what I'm really missing.

If you don't know what I'm talking about then check the link that I found for the drl's.

oh yeah and a plus of the DRL's, is that they dry the condensation normally found in the camaros parking lamps.


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Old Oct 13, 2001 | 05:57 PM
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and oh yeah, I'm really not that close to canada. I'm just outside of Milwaukee.

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Old Oct 13, 2001 | 06:26 PM
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A couple of points I need to address.

First, DRL's are not mandatory in the United States, only Canada. General Motors elected to use them for U.S. vehicles starting in 1996, but introduced them on only a couple of models. They phased them into all their vehicles over the next couple of years. Now, all GM products have it.

Secondly, the design used above is a compromise. I thought of the idea of using DRL's on a thirdgen back in 1997. I approached Tim Burgess (moderator of the Electronics Board) in 1998 and he designed a circuit that works identical to the factory parking lamp DRL's. He built it for me and I've had them on my car since 1998. It's completely automatic -- no switches to throw. Take note that on the design above, the DRL circuit must be turned off every time you want to signal -- what a pain this would be for lane changes. You do signal for lane changes, right? (Wouldn't want to break the law!!) And by turning off the DRL circuit when a turn signal is on means the opposite lamp is turned off. With GM's circuit, note that while one lamp is blinking, opposite lamp is on (DRL mode). Tim's design does just this.

Incorporate Tim's design onto my modified (clear) front parking lamps and I've got the brightest parking lamp DRL's seen on any vehicle today.

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Old Oct 13, 2001 | 11:24 PM
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willie does it utilize the high (brighter) filament?? If so hook me up. I'll prolly leave it as is in my '88 (when i start modding the iroc I'll talk to you) unless the your way is easy to adapt.

can you hook me up? Please Willie? buddy? pal?

as i've said before my switch is in such a good spot (on the left side on the console -- my right hand usually rests there) that it's not a big deal-- yet. I went to milwaukee the other day, and it wasn't a big thing, just something I wouldn't want to deal with daily.

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Old Oct 13, 2001 | 11:49 PM
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My friend had DRL's on his car and he got rear ended a few times so beware people are bad enough even when they see the indicators =)
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Old Oct 13, 2001 | 11:59 PM
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I've got blue flashers in my parking lights front and rear. Love to scare rice burners on the free way by ligthing them up. HEHEHE
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willie does it utilize the high (brighter) filament?? If so hook me up.

Of course. Its function is identical to the fourth gens. The DRL's use the turn signal filament (the brighter of the two), not the parking lamp filament.

The design is a little more complicated than the one we're discussing here but it fits on a breadboard that's only 1" x 1.5" large (so it's not too bad). It also uses two SPDT relays. When a turn signal is energized, only one relay de-energizes which allows the opposing bulb filament to remain lit in DRL mode.

can you hook me up? Please Willie? buddy? pal?

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Are you sure the turn signals don't work with that? It says on the site:
"Note: If you opt to turn the DRL's off during the day and do not have at least the parking lights on your front turn singals will not function. (No Biggie, just leave the DRL's ON)"

I take that as saying that as long as the DRLs or parking lights are on, turn signals work.

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Old Oct 14, 2001 | 12:58 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MetalliCamaroRS:
Are you sure the turn signals don't work with that?</font>
Yes. The turn signals cannot function properly (blink) as long as constant voltage is being supplied to the bulb (through the DRL circuitry), because there is no provision to blink the filament -- unless the DRL circuitry is turned off. That's why the switch is necessary.

Think of it another way... if this circuit is that simple to build, don't you feel GM would have designed/tested/built it that way? It's not that simple unless a manual switch is used to differentiate between two separate and distinct circuits that operate the same device (bulb in this case).

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Old Oct 14, 2001 | 02:01 PM
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Okay, and you said you have ones that work with the turn signals right? Can you hook me up with the plans for that one too? Thanks a lot.

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Old Oct 14, 2001 | 06:35 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Willie:
willie does it utilize the high (brighter) filament?? If so hook me up.

Of course. Its function is identical to the fourth gens. The DRL's use the turn signal filament (the brighter of the two), not the parking lamp filament.

The design is a little more complicated than the one we're discussing here but it fits on a breadboard that's only 1" x 1.5" large (so it's not too bad). It also uses two SPDT relays. When a turn signal is energized, only one relay de-energizes which allows the opposing bulb filament to remain lit in DRL mode.

can you hook me up? Please Willie? buddy? pal?

Sure. You've got mail!

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I'd love to have the plans as well. Can I have mail?



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Old Oct 14, 2001 | 11:49 PM
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willie I tried doing the same mod to my parking lamps that you've done (clear) and I just finished my drivers side, and wow, it sure gives the front end a different and fresh look.

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Old Oct 15, 2001 | 12:25 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Timmys88Z:

I'd love to have the plans as well. Can I have mail?

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I wouldnt mind having them either! joeblount@hotmail.com if you feel like sending em to me

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Old Oct 15, 2001 | 01:01 AM
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Willie if you don't mind could you send me the files also. I tried your website and it told me document requested not found.
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Old Oct 15, 2001 | 08:19 AM
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Ok CANADA is in the house now!!!!!!!!!!! That is a factory thing with my 91 Z28 and I really don't know why they put in a light switch. I turn my car on and the park lights in the front come on and when it gets dark, the light sensor in the dash pad turns the head lights on. I love it. I bought a 94 Honda and I keep leaving the lights on wherever I go. I got used to getting in and turning the key. I find it kinda funny that something is a standard up here would be an option down there.

For the Aussy: DRL's only turn the front lights on. The rear lights don't come on until you turn on the head lights.

Running with park lights has become the new fad in the last couple of years. I guess my Z is ahead of the curve. That doesn't happen often.
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Old Oct 15, 2001 | 08:50 AM
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Maybe you should put the info in the Tech Article section? But in the mean time, could you send me a copy too? Thanks.
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Old Oct 15, 2001 | 11:28 AM
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if willie or anyone that got the plans could send me a copy of the plans as well i would greatly appreciate it, my e-mail is:

acid_rap60@hotmail.com

hook a brotha up!

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Old Oct 15, 2001 | 04:28 PM
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yeah, but what's better for most is having your parking lights on, AND YOUR FOGLAMPS.

sucks to be the people w/out foglights. that's why there is such a market for aftermarket fogs and different colored/tinted lights.

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Old Oct 16, 2001 | 04:33 PM
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anyone with the plans, it would be greatly appreciated if I could get them as well.

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Old Oct 16, 2001 | 10:27 PM
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hehe, I'm too stupid to figure out these schematics. dang highschool education.
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Old Oct 17, 2001 | 02:19 AM
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Yes, I would like to get a copy of the plans also, if possible....

Email: zerocool@network-one.com

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Old Oct 17, 2001 | 02:33 AM
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If i could get a copy of those plans too,

that would be great.

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Old Oct 17, 2001 | 02:13 PM
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2 hard for me. guys, this isn't easy.

disclaimer -- not for the stupid (like me)
I have directions and I don't even know where to start.

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Old Oct 17, 2001 | 06:40 PM
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ok ok ok, you all can thank me later...
I hosted the scematics.

http://www.nconnect.net/~briones/DRLs.pdf

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Oh man, I'm not even gonna touch that!

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Old Oct 17, 2001 | 09:37 PM
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scary huh?
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Old Oct 17, 2001 | 10:46 PM
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I think I understand it....
1400miliamps of transfabulators are used to disfunctionate 678kilokopows in the DRL circuts and then the 12v battery source supplies the juice to disinferiate the bulbs at a constant 69998milijoules/nanosecond thus causeing them to run when the ignition is on.......Geeze come on guys that is elementary stuff.
No reall through..i haven't the slightest clue what those things say..sheww I need a beer just looking at the drawings!

If someone can explain it in plain english....PLEASE DO!
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Old Oct 18, 2001 | 02:18 AM
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Well, its a standard wiring diagram. If you have a key, you can figure out what it all means. It is quite umm... hard to read from the handwriting aspect. I will ATTEMPT sometime this weekend to put it together in jpg format in Photoshop 6.0 this weekend or so. Doing that might take me longer than actually doing the DRLs!

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Old Oct 18, 2001 | 10:26 AM
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if I can decipher the hand writing, I'll try drawing up nice an neat like, maybe, possibly. w

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ok, I just printed it out, and if I read it correctly, the only thing you have to make is the stuff in the dotted line. the rest is already in the car, you just have to cut and splice. correct me if Im wrong please
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Old Oct 18, 2001 | 02:00 PM
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willie is probably shaking his head at ua right now. how come willie knows and understands everything??? maybe we shouldn't call him willie -- moses right be more appropriate. oh well. did anybody try what i've done??? funny thing is, my girlfriend's grand prix and my camaro are wired the same for this, but when my drls are on and hers are, her rear turn sigs are on (but not flashing) and mine don't energize at all. i think our cars are retarded.
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Old Oct 18, 2001 | 02:45 PM
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Yeah, I have a photocopy of the handwritten page Willie snailmailed me a couple years ago. Believe me, the handwriting's no better up close and personal. lol. Same goes for Tim's schematic for a "low fuel" light. No problem though, I still appreciate Tim making those up.
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Old Oct 18, 2001 | 07:42 PM
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Not trying to be a smart a$$ but why do you need drl lights
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Old Oct 18, 2001 | 09:35 PM
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to make my car different than yours. beyond willie's car, (and mine now) I've never seen another 3rd gen with clear parking lamps and DRLs. I can safely say there isn't a car on the board like mine because of all the mods I've done to it small and large. I'm a modder, someone who tries to make their car different than the rest. (within good taste)
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Old Oct 19, 2001 | 09:08 AM
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Stop the DRL's.

http://www.lightsout.org/




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Old Oct 19, 2001 | 12:05 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kiss_My_SS:

Stop the DRL's.

http://www.lightsout.org/
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Well, if you looked at the pics, you would realize that the system being discussed here is totally different than the one you posted. We just want the parking lights on at high brightness during the day. Have you seen a 4th gen lately, the bright parking lights look very nice during the day. It is in no way offensive to other drivers, unless you are allergic to orange or something.

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Old Oct 19, 2001 | 03:17 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Scott_92RS:
Well, if you looked at the pics, you would realize that the system being discussed here is totally different than the one you posted. We just want the parking lights on at high brightness during the day. Have you seen a 4th gen lately, the bright parking lights look very nice during the day. It is in no way offensive to other drivers, unless you are allergic to orange or something.

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I understand that but it's still a form of DRLs. DRLs are just one more tool to help poor drivers on the road. I say anyone who can't see a car coming at them (especially a 25th ann. with big skunk stripes up the hood) should not be driving.

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Old Oct 19, 2001 | 04:06 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kiss_My_SS:
I understand that but it's still a form of DRLs. DRLs are just one more tool to help poor drivers on the road. I say anyone who can't see a car coming at them (especially a 25th ann. with big skunk stripes up the hood) should not be driving.

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I dont want to start a flame war here, but that really doesnt make sense. Not liking them because you dont like the look is one thing, but not liking them becuase they are a tool to help other drivers just doesnt make any sense. The fact of the matter is that bad drivers do exist, and always will, so why not keep them aware that you are around and make your car look nicer at the same time? Would you rather have DRLs, or have your car hit by someone that didnt see you, but might have if you had DRLs? The bright light just might catch their eye and help avoid an accident. I know it sounds far fetched, but it probably happens.
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Old Oct 19, 2001 | 04:18 PM
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I'm not trying to start a war either but the whole idea is the same as the "3rd brake light of '86" Just one more thing to make a poor driver even more lazy. In a country with probably the most cars on the road, we have the worst driving test. A few multiple choice questions and a spin around the block with the old guy in the funny hat and you're on the road. This is where it should start, educate the driver.



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